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Obama to Top Brass: Will you fire on American Citizens?
NextNewsNetwork via YouTube ^ | January 23, 2013

Posted on 04/04/2013 6:03:27 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

The Obama administration is openly escalating its campaign against private gun ownership, and shaking up the top ranks of the military command structure -- but is it also preparing to make war on the American population? According to a person identified as a former senior military official, the answer to that shocking question is yes.

World-renowned educator and human rights activist Jim Garrow says that the source, man regarded as "one of America's foremost military heroes," told him that President Obama is using a new litmus test for "determining who will stay and who must go" among top-ranked military leaders. That test is whether they will fire on US citizens or not. Garrow says that his source made the disclosure in order to "sound the alarm" over the administration's plans.

While Garrow will not yet reveal the identity of the source, it's important to note that Garrow himself is a man of considerable accomplishment. He is the founder of the Bethune Institute, which has established hundreds of schools throughout China. Three years ago, he was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work though a group called Pink Pagoda, which combat "gendercide" in China -- that is, the practice of rescuing baby girls who had been abandoned or targeted for infanticide because of the government's one-child policy. He was personally involved in helping to save the lives of more than 50,000 Chinese girls. He joins Gary Franchi on WHDT World News to discuss this new "Litmus Test."

*No party or entity depicted in this broadcast advocates insurrection against the government of the United States of America.


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To: Celtic Conservative
I'm not defeatist. I was, however, pointing out reasons, why He wouldn't help the US.

I, personally, am saved. No matter what happens to this nation, I will not be lost.

I agree there are still many who have not turned away from Him--but unfortunately that number is shrinking. We cannot use government to sway people--the government reflects the culture, not the other way around.

I would love to lead the narrative in the culture wars--how do you suggest we do that? My personality, unfortunately, is not very extroverted. I'll support those who speak for Right, but I cannot speak publicly without making a fool of myself. I'm a lot like Moses in that regard :)

51 posted on 04/04/2013 7:53:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: RJS1950
Any “top brass” who might say they will would probably find themselves looking over their shoulders in fear that they might be the “american” (traitor) that the troops fire on.

Yes indeed. Fragging would become a daily exercise.
52 posted on 04/04/2013 7:55:38 AM PDT by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: The Great RJ

Remember Waco, Texas.
Remember the Civil War

Americans firing on Americans.

Just say’n.


53 posted on 04/04/2013 7:56:32 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: The Great RJ

What you hope from the military was a soldier in the old military who probably would not fire on his neighbors. The clown placed in office by a degenerate demographic has been busy creating an army of people who WOULD GLADLY fire on the American people. Welcome to the NEW army composed of lesbians, “Gays,” Third Worlders, females who while not lesbian consider themselves to be men and long for the status being a male brings. The aforementioned “soldier” as stated will gladly fire on Americans as “The Divine One” is the source of their position, pay and perks. He is one of them!


54 posted on 04/04/2013 7:57:31 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Texas Fossil
“...... the answer to that shocking question is yes.”

Neither the question or answer is “shocking”. Americans have always been more than willing to kill other Americans, the Civil War, the Branch Davidians, The Revolutionary War, and on and on.

55 posted on 04/04/2013 7:57:49 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: laweeks
Bill Clinton did it. Maybe a Freeper can chime in with more info. I don't recall the title of the questionnaire but Col. Geoff Metcalf of AM 650 in Sacramento reported it. It was given to Army recruits on several bases around the country that asked if they would fire on US civilian if so ordered. The news of it spread like fire and the Army soon retracted it.
56 posted on 04/04/2013 7:59:34 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Celtic Conservative

In fact, Westboro is a family, not a church, they are not looking for new members. Kind of a shady way to discredit his opinion though.


57 posted on 04/04/2013 7:59:57 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Texas Fossil

American Citizens to Top Brass: Will you fire obama?


58 posted on 04/04/2013 8:01:30 AM PDT by MestaMachine
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To: RJS1950

They will follow all initial orders as no order will be a direct order to murder. Few have the guts to disobey senior officers and want to keep their job as any of us. Many are minorities or AA that would follow Zero to Hell. Very, very few would question initial orders, and not enough would to matter. The orders will be carried out. Those under about 26 years old aren’t mature enough to know what a lawful order is. They’ll do as they are told.


59 posted on 04/04/2013 8:01:30 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: drypowder
Bill Clinton did it. Maybe a Freeper can chime in with more info. I don't recall the title of the questionnaire but Col. Geoff Metcalf of AM 650 in Sacramento reported it. It was given to Army recruits on several bases around the country that asked if they would fire on US civilian if so ordered. The news of it spread like fire and the Army soon retracted it.

I had no idea of that. But this resident of our White House has handlers who tell the sock-puppet what to do.

And so far, I haven't seen a retraction or an apology.

60 posted on 04/04/2013 8:02:35 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: dangerdoc; ShadowAce
Perhaps a little. I was only trying to draw him out a little bit to get to the heart of the matter. (which I did) Sincerely ShadowAce, If I offended I apologize. That was not My intention.

CC

61 posted on 04/04/2013 8:07:50 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: Celtic Conservative; dangerdoc
I appreciate the apology. The posts following that comment were not as inflammatory, so I believe you when you say you meant no offense.

Thank you

62 posted on 04/04/2013 8:19:37 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: laweeks

During the Cuban Missile Crisis they were making plans and preparations for relocating millions of people from the cities which would be possible targets.

They were planning on calling up WWII and Korean vets to administer the evacuation of the cities and the relocation camps.

My old man was a WWII vet and had to sign a statement that he would be willing to order firing on US citizens if it became necessary to restore order.

The military will restore order and if restoring order means firing on US citizens they will do it.


63 posted on 04/04/2013 8:20:49 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: RipSawyer

Well, yes, I agree to a great extent. Maybe if you accept government benefits, you can’t vote. Voter ID would help too. Make sure the voters are alive, citizens, you know, basic stuff.


64 posted on 04/04/2013 8:26:12 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: laweeks

unfortunately for us common citizens and the US in general, DC is awash in traitorous whore sock-puppet cowards. And that’s the light version.


65 posted on 04/04/2013 8:29:28 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: Biggirl
"Look for more of the top brass to turn against Obama as time goes on."

I don't think so! Pensions to consider don't you know.

66 posted on 04/04/2013 9:19:24 AM PDT by Richard Brandon Abroad (Hey people, it's different over here. Different people, money ... and news.)
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To: laweeks

generals with balls should have dispatched a president who seriously asked them this.


67 posted on 04/04/2013 10:48:51 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; Windflier

I was stationed at Camp Pendleton during the LA riots.

Our batallion had orders and actually staged to deploy there.
Lemme tell you that, not one person’s foremost thoughts were, ‘we’ll be firing on our countrymen’. At least no one voiced it. Some of those people were for lack of a better word, ‘excited’.


68 posted on 04/04/2013 11:04:10 AM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: Texas Fossil

Thanks for the post. Bump for after work.


69 posted on 04/04/2013 11:23:25 AM PDT by PeteePie (Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: RJS1950

I have complete faith and support of our servicemembers, but having served as an Executive Officer and Squadron Commander I can tell you that I, or no one, wants to stand in front of an 18 year old kid (YES kid!) with a loaded weapon in a stressful situation, and expect that accidents won’t happen. If you think every order given if LAWFUL, or that they would have time to do anything but react, you are very naive.


70 posted on 04/04/2013 11:58:42 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Windflier
Well Windbag, if you think I pimp for 0bama you're an f'ing idiot!

Tell me what happened down in your neck of the woods at Waco? Did not Federal Agents fire, and set fire, to American citizens? They swore an oath. Sure those at Waco were a weirdo group, but not everyone there was a criminal, some were victims. 0bama and his gang will ensure that any "incident" has some form of justification or plausible deniability.

71 posted on 04/04/2013 12:07:24 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: CodeToad
I'm afraid most of them will. They are being conditioned with these to use as targets.
72 posted on 04/04/2013 12:20:55 PM PDT by sunny48
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To: The Sons of Liberty
...if you think I pimp for 0bama you're an f'ing idiot!

Oh? Then why do you keep hammering down the concept that our military will obey orders from the dictator to massacre their own kin and fellow citizens? Sounds like you're trying to demoralize people who (according to you) are in imminent danger of being brutally suppressed by martial law.

Now why would you do such a thing if you weren't trying to soften us up and convince us to not resist? If you really believe your doomsday scenario, then why aren't you encouraging your fellows to stand firm, find their courage, remember their forefathers, the Framers, 1776, etc?

Stand on one side or the other.

73 posted on 04/04/2013 12:53:35 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SwankyC

Would your fellow Marines have been as ‘exited’ about suppressing an honest rebellion of ordinary, middle class Americans? Many of whom might well be their kin and neighbors?

I highly doubt it.


74 posted on 04/04/2013 12:55:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Well I’m glad you can assume.


75 posted on 04/04/2013 1:47:53 PM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: SwankyC
Well I’m glad you can assume.

Who's assuming? I asked you a question.

76 posted on 04/04/2013 2:44:33 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ShadowAce
change that 'we" to "some" I have done none of those things, nor have most on FR. Father is not angry at all of us, and I do believe He will help those who believe in Him, just as He promised.
77 posted on 04/04/2013 11:59:00 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Windflier

You mean that when you restate essentially the same thing I have observed to happen (and some of my friends in the unit were from LA) and then threw in your opinion that it’s highly unlikely based on nothing, you weren’t assuming?


78 posted on 04/05/2013 12:59:13 PM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: Texas Fossil
American Citizens to Top Brass: "Will you fire on Obama, the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF?"
79 posted on 04/05/2013 1:03:46 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Windflier

If you want to stand in front of a bunch of eighteen year old’s with loaded weapons, be my guest.


80 posted on 04/08/2013 6:03:31 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Stand on one side or the other.


81 posted on 04/08/2013 7:04:10 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I’ve held similar positions. Yes, many of them are kids and accidents happen. No, not all orders might be lawful but that is where proper training, retraining, and making sure that the other officers and NCOs have a complete understanding of the laws, the Constitution, military law and the laws of war. If you don’t feel that is possible then you shouldn’t be a commander, much less an officer.

If you won’t refuse to carry out an unlawful order or take all action as a commander or senior NCO to prevent the action on an unlawful order then again, you have been promoted beyond your level of incompetence.


82 posted on 04/08/2013 2:29:43 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: CodeToad

I spent a multi-service career as a young NCO and as an officer. I never had any doubt about any of the troops, officers, or senior NCOs I served with other than a few colonels and a number of generals who were all political animals. Those types could have issued any unlawful order they wanted to but they would not have been obeyed.

I am still in contact with a lot of younger troops and I’ll tell you that they are mature enough and they, ONCE AGAIN, are not robots who will snap to, heil der Fuehrer and begin firing. We trust them to carry the load in places like AF and they meet and exceed the expectations.


83 posted on 04/08/2013 2:36:15 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RJS1950

“Those types could have issued any unlawful order they wanted to but they would not have been obeyed.”

Again, no one will tell the troops directly to fire on innocent Americans, no one. What they will do and what the troops will obey are orders to attack a “domestic terrorist” or a “militia of KKK”. They will attack, every bit as much as any other incident in American history has proven they will attack. The people of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union were no different than today’s younger people in uniform and those two countries found out how to manipulate those troops into compliance with unlawful orders. They snap-to to todays orders and they will snap-to to tomorrows orders just as well.


84 posted on 04/08/2013 5:02:44 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: RJS1950
If you won’t refuse to carry out an unlawful order or take all action as a commander or senior NCO to prevent the action on an unlawful order then again, you have been promoted beyond your level of incompetence.

I agree fully, and that is precisely why 0bama is specifically questioning potential Generals and Admirals about this very question. These same Generals and Admirals decide who gets promoted. 0bama does not want anyone who upholds The Constitution or honors their oath.

85 posted on 04/09/2013 4:56:38 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Unfortunately true of most of the senior officers BUT, they are once again not at the point of the sword leading the way like a Joshua Chamberlain or a Chesty Puller. They are the “manager” executive officers who rarely have led troops directly into battle. The officers and NCOs on the line are the ones who provide the real leadership and direction to the line troops who pull the trigger. Leaders lead people to accomplish a mission, general officers overwhelmingly are managers of programs and their own careers with no direct ties to the line forces. McClelland thought that he could do what he wanted because he believed that the soldiers were loyal to him. He found out that he was wrong. Unlawful orders from them would mostly be ignored if not outright opposed. The 7-days in May scenario was just that, fiction and even the admirals rebellion against Truman was quickly put down.


86 posted on 04/09/2013 7:41:57 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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