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CONCEALED CARRY: STOPPED BY A COP [Video only]
YouTube.com ^ | 6-30-2013 | tnoutdoors9

Posted on 06/30/2013 5:46:54 PM PDT by servo1969

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu8US6YAcoY

Sharing with you a personal experience that I had with law enforcement while concealed carry. I strongly believe that this topic should be mandatory discussion for every concealed carry class. This overview of the "stop" and interaction with the officer should give you some guidelines and protocol to follow when this happens to you. It could also be of benefit to law enforcement personnel as well.

My desire is not to reveal the municipality where this transpired.

The comments in this video (including text responses to viewers) represents my personal opinion only. I am not an attorney and cannot provide professional legal advice.

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Thoughts?
1 posted on 06/30/2013 5:46:55 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

I was pulled over on the Ohio turnpike recently. I left my hands on the wheel and told the trooper immediately that I had a permit and a gun. He asked me where it was and I told him on my right hip. He thanked me for informing him and then proceeded to give me a speeding ticket for 10 mph over. heck of a way to start a vacation.


2 posted on 06/30/2013 5:56:26 PM PDT by RC one
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To: servo1969

Almost all cops are degenerate sadists. They are tax collectors with guns. When you can get away from them without getting paying paper or tazed, clubbed, cuffed, or shot, you are doing well. Stay away from them. Don’t trust them. Don’t oblige them. Be respectful, and say/do what is necessary to get on your way.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 5:56:48 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: servo1969

GREAT video quality and your sound is FANTASTIC..!!!


4 posted on 06/30/2013 6:05:34 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: servo1969

Was just pulled over myself. I informed the officer right away that I had a permit and was carrying. He was fine, just asked me to keep my hands where he could see them. All was fine, no citation. He did ask if I was a lawyer because I handled it all well/clearly.

However...I find the ‘why are you here’ question asked in the video to be highly disturbing.I think the answer given is the right answer, but I would agree that my initial response would be ‘none of your damned business.’


5 posted on 06/30/2013 6:06:36 PM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: RC one

How the cops handle CCW probably depends on the area, urban, suburban, rural etc. I live in a mostly suburban with some “rural” parts. Around here most cops are respectful, however I would image in a more urban area, they have grouped a legal CCW with a criminal thug.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 6:07:54 PM PDT by matt04
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To: gaijin

#4

Yes, tnoutdoors9 makes really good videos.
If you haven’t, go to his channel and let him know you appreciate his work!


7 posted on 06/30/2013 6:09:09 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

I think that last question illustrates the point that many people have a stigma about guns: they see a firearm as a tool of violence and destruction, not of freedom and liberation. Although I have no idea why she would ask the bombshell question, I suspect it was because she felt that a man with a firearm, although legal with all the registration, was a threat. However, the fact that she trusted you when you told her there wasn’t a round in the chamber suggests she believes you are an honest person.

Ultimately, this shows how she perceived the gun as a threat more than you. But that’s just what I thought.


8 posted on 06/30/2013 6:12:57 PM PDT by Patriot Politics
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To: servo1969
From the TN9's link. A cop gives his thoughts.

"300mag83 29 minutes ago

I am a law enforcement officer from Mo. I stop ccw holders all the time. I can say they are normally the most respectful people I stop I don't freak out on them I don't even ask to see the gun because common sense tells me if they planned on shooting me they wouldn't have told me they have a gun. I am super pro 2nd so we normally have a gun talk or 2 but that's it. and I always give warnings on minor traffic offenses. she may have been new our job can be scary at times. it is a weird question "

The obvious answer to an obvious question in bold.

9 posted on 06/30/2013 6:24:11 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: servo1969
Ping worthy video for the prepper list
10 posted on 06/30/2013 6:24:44 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Kartographer

Ping worthy video for the prepper list


11 posted on 06/30/2013 6:25:17 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: servo1969

Thanks Servo, with the Zimmerman verdict coming up, it’s going to be more important then ever for folks to get themselves armed and WELL-TRAINED.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 6:30:58 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: HGSW0904

She was baiting him. Never take the bait.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 6:32:11 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: servo1969

Good job.

Here is how I expect to handle this if it happens to me:

ME: Good afternoon, Officer.

OFFICER: May I see your license and registration, please?

ME: Of course. Before we proceed, I want to inform you that I am l licensed to carry a concealed weapon, and I have one holstered on me right now. How do you wish to proceed?

I am not one that thinks all police are our enemy. Most of them are simply doing their job. I believe that when the police stop you, there is no reason to be belligerent and rude to them, and to treat them with courtesy and respect as I would like them to treat me.

I believe in speaking respectfully as in “Yes sir”, “No sir” and “Officer...” because that is the way I was brought up.

Like you, I would not have pressed the issue with the officer if asked, but that is simply a matter of practicality with me. I might well call the station or write a polite letter after the fact, but I would remain civil.

You did well.


14 posted on 06/30/2013 6:34:49 PM PDT by rlmorel (Silence: The New Hate Speech)
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To: servo1969

Nice video...very well done.

I was stopped driving out of a small Idaho town and a local police officer pulled me over for “ramping up from 35 to 46 about 100 feet before the speed limit sign for 45.

I was alone and he approached my pickup from the passenger side and told me what I had done and I freely agreed that indeed I had beat the increased speed sign. He told me he was giving me a warning.

I gave him my license, registration and proof of insurance and he walked back to his patrol car. I could see him talking on his radio in the rear view mirror.

He came back up to the passenger window and said, “I notice you are a concealed carry permit holder” and asked me if I had a firearm in my vehicle, which I said yes.

He said, “I would consider it a courtesy if you told me that when I first approached your vehicle”.

I told him that I had CCW permits in 3-states and had taken advanced handgun combat courses, all taught by either active or ex-LEOs and all had said to shut up if stopped by the police...don’t volunteer anything. He said that may be so, but he would consider it a courtesy to be informed.

I thanked him and went my merry way and have asked several LEO pals what they thought of the encounter and everyone I asked said I should have told him to screw off it was none of his business.

On the extremely rare occassion when I have direct contact with law enforcement I am unbelievably polite and cooperative, so telling him to pound sand never entered my mind.

I did mention to the officer that he should consider that CCW permit holders as a group have the lowest crime rate in the nation and we were not the bad guys. He agreed, but again gave me the courtesy thing.

Alls well that ends well, I guess.


15 posted on 06/30/2013 6:41:06 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse

I always thought it was the law to tell them right away.


16 posted on 06/30/2013 6:44:08 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: servo1969
Personally, I have always been respectful when dealing with law enforcement when pulled over. In 25 years, and perhaps 3 - 4 stops for minor speeding (< 10 mph over limit), I have never received a ticket. In my younger days, I might've responded "on principle" to the bombshell question. Now, not so much. But part of me would've wondered what the tone and intent of the officer was. Despite being legally within your rights, being an asshole is never a good thing, and there are too many grey areas within the law. Why give the officer an excuse to conduct a more thorough investigation? Why give them the opportunity to make a political statement, regardless of whether they're on your 2A side or not?

Good video though. An interesting look at a topic we don't often get to see.

17 posted on 06/30/2013 6:46:22 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: servo1969

Nice video work. As to the cop asking why you were in her hood, I would have told her, “I heard the female cops in this town were hot, so I thought I’d check it out for myself. ‘Scuse me while I pop that brake light back in.”


18 posted on 06/30/2013 6:55:18 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Husker24

Like most things involving firearms regulations, it varies by the state.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 6:59:17 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Husker24
I always thought it was the law to tell them right away.

Apparently not if he asked me as a "courtesy", the implication being it was not required. Plus, a retired state highway patrol trooper, a hometown city police officer and the county sheriff told me I didn't have to tell him anything. At least in Idaho that seems to be the case.

20 posted on 06/30/2013 7:00:13 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Cuttnhorse

Yes, it’s always your right to remain silent.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 7:22:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: HGSW0904

However...I find the ‘why are you here’ question asked in the video to be highly disturbing.I think the answer given is the right answer, but I would agree that my initial response would be ‘none of your damned business.’

went through a dui checkpoint in lynn massachusestts, manned by mass state police. state trooper asked me “where are you coming from?”. amazing. in mass they are not allowed (per order of deval Patrick I would imagine), to ask for your license at a dui like they used to do so as not to be a defacto illegal alien stop, but they can ask a law abiding citizen where are you coming from.

Russia is now the old us, and we are the old ussr.

I guess john lennon turned out to be right.


22 posted on 06/30/2013 7:30:04 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Husker24
I always thought it was the law to tell them right away.

That depends on the state, and is something to be aware of if you are traveling through multiple states. (Apart of course from the other issues related to multi-state CCW, like license reciprocity.)

In some states there is even a contradiction between state law and federal law regarding travel with a firearm stored in the car. Read up on the law before travel, and seek competent legal counsel for the complicated cases. Oh, and avoid New York, New Jersey, Connecticut...

23 posted on 06/30/2013 7:41:06 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: Cuttnhorse

In Ohio one, by law, must advise the LEO, as soon as you are approached, that you have a CCW and are armed. If you are driving a car titled to you, the LEO knows before stopping you that you have an CCW In the 5-7 times I have been pulled over and so advised the LEO, not a one of them has said a word about my being armed.


24 posted on 06/30/2013 7:59:20 PM PDT by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: servo1969

The question about why he was passing through is a very old police question, especially in rural areas. “We don’t get many strangers in these parts.” In their experience, the answer lets them know whether you are up to no good or not with a single question.

There have been many times and places in US history when an area would just get overrun with transient scoundrels, and if there is just one or a few lawmen, they prefer to nip such problems in the bud.

While lots of movies and TV shows depict someone loudly asserting their rights with police officers, that is the big city way. In rural areas, police expect good manners, and usually respond in kind.


25 posted on 06/30/2013 8:19:39 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I need to move where you live.. The cops in my area (rural) do not have good manners. I was stopped close to home once- The Deputy said “I stopped you because I thought you were going to run.” And another Deputy stopped me close to home and asked: “How long have you lived around here?” As if that meant anything. I told him “I moved here before you were born.”


26 posted on 06/30/2013 8:50:53 PM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: Husker24

that is not correct. many choose to as a courtesy.


27 posted on 06/30/2013 9:56:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Bookmark


28 posted on 07/01/2013 12:39:18 AM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Ecliptic

A lot of that is from the 1970s. Because of a small number of police assassinations in the US by leftist radicals, the federal government encouraged police departments all over the US to change their philosophy from “Old West” to “SWAT”.

This meant frequently brandishing guns; an aggressive approach to “taking control and dominance of the situation”, even when it was not a control or dominance situation; that police should be aloof from the public, trained at the state level with federal guidelines, and interchangeable, so that an officer wouldn’t necessarily work in his hometown, but someplace where he didn’t know anyone.

The end result was a big upturn in police aggression and hostility to the public, to not distinguish between social classes in how they treat people, and a lot of police getting killed with their own weapon because they brandished it when they shouldn’t have.

The biggest mitigation to this disaster was the Taser, because it gave police some way of dealing with situations in a less lethal manner. But socially, the police lost a huge amount of public appreciation with the changeover.

Other disasters are everything from abuse of steroids, which is so bad the FBI and DEA frequently send advisories to police departments all over the US; to the unofficial policy of killing dogs, as much to dominate and control and punish as for stopping a real threat. There is also a decided lack of common sense, such as arresting school children for some minor disciplinary problem, at the behest of the school.


29 posted on 07/01/2013 6:58:55 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: servo1969

Great video!

On a side note...I am one who does a “pre-flight” inspection on my car each week. The auto in the video was I believe a Jeep Cherokee or Jeep Grand Cherokee. The tail lights have a defect which causes the bulbs to become hot and burn out quickly.


30 posted on 08/05/2013 9:15:08 AM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: Cuttnhorse

I asked three different cops and got three different answers.
One said you don’t have to tell unless he asked.
the other said tell him as soon as he walks up to your door
the last one said only if he asked you to get out of the car.
Blah....


31 posted on 08/10/2013 7:34:57 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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