Skip to comments.What made Zimmerman suspicious of Trayvon Martin Trayvon:
Posted on 07/21/2013 7:12:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
What really made Zimmerman suspicious of Martin:
CVSA, 25:36 Quote:
Zimmerman: And, I was leaving my neighborhood when I saw this guy, walking slowly in front of a house, looking towards the house. And I knew he didn't live there, so that made me a little suspicious. And then he kept staring around him, at me, and behind. And it arose my suspicion. And then he was, it was raining. And, he didn't look like he was in a rush to get out the rain.....
I think this is the first explicit statement that GZ knew that TM didn't live in the house that he was in front of when GZ first saw him.
SPD 2/29-1, 4:36-53 Quote:
Zimmerman: Two or three weeks prior to that, I'd seen somebody looking in a window of the house that he was in front of.
Serino: Was he white or black?
Zimmerman: And, the guy that lives there, I know, he's active in the neighborhood watch, and he's Caucasian.
GZ told the story of his 2/2/12 NEN call in more detail, and a little more accurately, than he had previously (45/47 of the logs). He called because he saw a black male showing an interest in 1460 Retreat View Cir., which GZ hadn't mentioned in the earlier interviews. When the police arrived the man had left. The police found all the windows and the garage door open, and the front door unlocked. GZ gave them the owner's phone number, and they got his consent to enter and secure the house.
SPD 2/29-1, 7:41-54 Quote:
Zimmerman: So when I saw him, in the same area, in front of the guy's house that I know [unintelligible] had been unsecured, and he was looking into the house, I just thought something doesn't fit right here.
SPD 2/29-1, 8:03-53 Quote:
Serino: What did you see Trayvon doing, that caught you as being suspicious?
Zimmerman: He was looking at the house, intently. And then -
Serino: What, the same house?
Zimmerman: The same house that, yeah, that had, I had called about before. [Crosstalk] the window.
Serino: Did he stop, did he - ?
Zimmerman: He stopped.
Serino: In front of the house?
Zimmerman: He stopped in front of the house. And then, I drove, there was a car, like, backing up, so I, I slowed down. And then I drove around him. And he kept looking at me. And then when I passed, oh, it was raining. And then I said, you know what, he's not walking briskly, to get out of the rain. He wasn't, he didn't look like a marathon runner that is active, in like, you know, that trains in the rain. He was just walking slowly [unintelligible] the grass and onto the sidewalk. And I said "Something's off." So, that's why I called non-emergency...................
Maybe so in this case but either suspicion is legitimate for concern. This idea that young black males are not cause for criminal suspicion is complete BS.
That'd do it for me! Punk was up to no good.
Everyone that cares to know the truth knows (and so do many who don’t want to know). GZ is just regular guy caught up in race baiting politics. Ohhh, Trayvon is indeed a victim...of the dysfunctional African American subscoicety created to prop up the Democrat’s soft cleptrocacy.
Sanford Police Department.
Hey we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, it’s Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?
He looks black.
Did you see what he was wearing?
Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now, he was just staring.
OK, he’s just walking around the area
looking at all the houses.
Now he’s just staring at me.
OK-you said it’s 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
That’s the clubhouse
That’s the clubhouse, do you know what the-he’s near the clubhouse right now?
Yeah, now he’s coming towards me.
He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.
How old would you say he looks?
He’s got button on his shirt, late teens.
Late teens. Ok.
Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.
Just let me know if he does anything, ok?
(unclear) See if you can get an officer over here.
Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Okay. These (expletive) they always get away. Yep. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
So it’s on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left, uh, you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. (expletive) he’s running.
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?
The back entrance (expletive)(unclear)
Are you following him?
Ok, we don’t need you to do that.
Alright sir what is your name?
George He ran.
Alright George what’s your last name?
A clicking or knocking sound can be heard here
And George what’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Clicking or knocking sound is heard again
[phone number removed]
Alright George we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Um, if they come in through the, uh, (knocking sound) gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, (knocking sound) straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck...[unintelligible]
What address are you parked in front of?
I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
Okay do you live in the area?
What’s your apartment number?
It’s a home it’s [house number removed], (knocking sound) oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.
Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
Yeah that’s fine.
Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there, okay?
Actually could you have them, could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
Should I give you my number or you got it?
Yeah I got it [phone number removed]
Yeah you got it.
Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.
That's the part that gets me.
Why didn't ace detective Chris Serino get the video tapes of the 7 Eleven and the names of the 3 stooges that Martin had been cavorting with there and the car they were driving and find out why they dropped him off at this location rather than his house.
Surely an ace detective like him could have connected the dots.
It’s also true that large minority of whites sympathize with Trayvon as the little innocent. These are the kinds of white voters that liberal Republicans are always trying to court.
Some years back, my older brother was in law school. He spent the weekend with a pal he was friends with in school. The parents lived in an upper scale, gated Florida community on the water. Very expensive area. So, my brother decides one late afternoon to take a stroll and look at all the homes. Within ten minutes, there were police present questioning who he was and why he was there. My point is this: he is white. The neighbors saw someone who didn’t normally belong there and contacted the police. He and the family got a chuckle out of it and my brother wasn’t offended at all. He did joke that he needed some newer clothes if he was going to visit again. Suspicious behavior isn’t necessarily linked to race. It is also linked to if the person is a stranger and not acting correctly. IMHO.
If you look like,act like, why are you surprised you get treated like a thug!
Yep -- first description "he's just walking around, looking about".
No mention of hoodie or black until prompted by the operator.
I suspect that the SPD suspected that Martin had been casing that residence and elements in the department did everything they could to divert attention away from that unpleasant fact.
These are the same white liberals who when a mass murderer escapes prosecution on a technicality they say get over it you can’t bring back the dead, but in this case even after a jury verdict they want to make a federal case out of it.
Best summary I’ve read so far! well and truly stated.
Why would anyone be on the lookout for young black males? It’s all such a mystery!
Fox interview with alternative juror was great. He gave an excellent timeline analysis. When TM told Jentel he is safe (ala at her fathers condo) and end the cellphone call (time was logged by phone record) GZ told the police that he will get out of his SUV to see where TM went (that end of the call was also logged by phone record). Both calls ended approximately the same time. When the cops arrived they found the two injured men on the lawn near GZ SUV then near Jentel father’s condo. Alternate juror explained based on location and timeline, Martin chose not to enter condo but turn around to find GZ. In juror mind any attempt to link GZ to manslaughter for initiating events leading to shooting just not possible, because Martin became the initiator. The timeline info and location also leans towards GZ version that TM confronted him as he was returning to his SUV then the DA allegation that GZ was hunting for TM and causing a confrontation.
In post trial MSM interviews Jentel explain black people do not trust cops, thus will not call them. However, if you think you are followed, you tend to get home if home is in front of you and not go look for the stalker. Remember, Jentel testify that TM lost GZ when he was talking to her. He was not in imminent danger (GZ was nowhere in sight) and once he chose not to go into the condo but turn around to hunt for GZ he is no longer a victim.
And, unless there is other evidence that I haven’t read, he describes him as “this guy”. Not “this black guy”. Since it was dark, raining and TM was wearing a hoodie, I’ve wondered if Zimmerman really knew what race he was. His suspicions were roused because of how the person was acting.
I think a large segment of that group of progressive whites, did not end up on the side of the blacks.
This seems to be a special case.
I believe this begins to break the “blacks as mistreated minority” which has until now reigned.
Blacks are taking (sadly) the side of Trayvon Martin nearly 100%. But it seems to me, others are not rushing to one side or the other.
This case I believe will start to straighten out the public.
Maybe I’m too optimistic.
But I think this changes things.
The pro TM whites are more motivated by their discomfort of gunowners. Once the MSM made it into white CCW kills little black kid with soda and candy, it fits their notion of guns should be banned, and God forbid carried. For them, it fits their narrative that CCW will sooner or later get some innocent person killed because some CCW over reacted.
Without even reading it, I can tell you what made him suspicious: Martin’s BEHAVIOR.
Now I’ll go read it.
based upon reading this it would seem that Sean Hannity’s “guess” that Martin was walking xlose to the houses to get out of the rain is an erroneous “guess” at best, or a purposeful mistaken assessment of facts at the worst.
Martin was an obvious criminal.
What is curious to me is why the Sanford Police never secured a copy of the 7 Eleven tape even though they knew that Martin had just been down there.
Or maybe they did and tried to cover it up when they saw the “usual suspects” that were in the store with Martin that night — usual suspects that had been burglarizing apartments in the area.
Either way failing to follow up with the usual suspects at the 7 Eleven was suspicious and sloppy.
For decades the democrips have exploited the orchestrated ignorance of black people. The democrips have maintained their enslavement of the vast majority of black people by making of them government dependents.
Now, with the democrip legislative props like complete control over healthcare and the rising national debt load, and amnesty to cancel the criminal act of invading America and committing identity fraud to function here, the democrips are setting up the Hispanic people to be the next exploited race of government dependents, since the back population is so successfully self limiting their numbers while the Hispanic population is growing much faster and will have an injection of perhaps thirty million added to vote by 2016.
The current race hustling regime of little barry bastard boy thought they had a racially charged shooting which they could exploit to whip their black herd into a frenzy which would push the agenda of disarming Americans while energizing the black herd vote in 2014. The names of the involved seemed to be aligned just right.
BUT, when it was revealed that Zimmerman was an Hispanic man, that became the regime's number one command to the cadre of sycophantic liars known as the media, to distract from Zimmerman's race and focus only on the FALSE meme of a grown man shooting a hapless black teenager. The media whores even tried to create a new racial classification of 'white-hispanic' in order to misdirect Americans. And the black population swallowed that poison gladly because it fit the false meme the democrips have fed to them for decades.
The poison barry soetoro and his minions of liars spew out across America tastes like sweet nectar to those raised on the poison of continuous lies, fed from the government dependency dole all their life, herded like cattle to act upon emotion and never reason things out based upon the truth.
The Republic ends not with a bang but a whimper. The democrat party is realizing their fondest desire, to end the We The People Republic and put in its place a socialist oligarchy run by the democrips and their lying media minions.
One thing I notice about this is that Zimmerman’s conversation with the police exonerate him. I think of all of those “never talk to the police” types who loudly say you should clam up when confronted by the cops. If Zimmerman had done that he might have been charged *that very night* and may well have been convicted in a trial few outside of the Sanford area would ever have heard about. If the cops were out to “get” him they didn’t need him to talk. I admit, he was lucky to have a fair-minded and honest police chief.
This report fits into the protocol used by neighborhood watch groups These are posted areas advising visitors they are under surveilance.
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Subject: How Neighborhood watches operate
And he gets his gun back (Actually, no he doesn’t)
Friday, July 19, 2013 7:41:26 AM · 39 of 44
mosesdapoet to 2ndDivisionVet
Too bad half of the so called conservatives talk show hosts Ive been listening to cant seem to be willing to connect the dots to what a heavy hand his imperious highness played in this example of socialist justice meted out to serve the policies of the state . Turning this into a show trial replete with wall to wall tv coverage..
The least the talkies can do is get the facts out for the reason for the trial and its background instead of cope-ing with Obama moving the ball futhur and furthur away from what occured in GZ’s “Neighborhood Watch Area”.Rather than milking the emotional response routine like “big brother “does..
Like having local publications like the The New Amsterdam whatits follow like martinets, or is duped by the handouts of lies theyre getting from this government.
.For certain since the not guilty verdict has been rendered the facts of this case are still being concealed by the media such as not using pictures of both side by side because they look like cousins.
Many Neigborhood Watch areas consist of modest dwellings including the one Zimmerman was a watch captain in.. His was a mini US melting pot which includes a number of black families which banded together and set up patrols to protect their area. In this case they were struggling with single and groups of young blacks from other hoods on the prowl., In some instances armed, preying on homeowners in his area..Watch activities are closely co-ordinated with local police departments and follow very set protocols. Most conservative hosts demonstrate their ignorance and are rendering no futhur information then their listeners get from MSM .Thus allowing the MSM to set an agenda of distraction from this regimes history of corruption and scandal..
Usually such neighborhood watch areas are posted with a window or garden sign announcing that fact and those patrols will observe any one; black,white, green, or blue and sometimes even stop and question them. ..That fact and the area wasnt even examinined by any of the so called media because it wouldnt fit their agenda if true journalisim existed, because it couldnt support any racial assertion. ..
It might even explain Zimmermans action taken during his surveilance of Martin because this watch volunteer got out of his car and continued his observation on foot because he lost sight of Martin. In many watch areas thats done frequently when the subject disappears from view they may leave their vehicle and continue surveilance on foot.. ....
According to the testimony the beating occured after a brief exchange when Zimmerman was going back to his vehicle. Martin suddenly attacked him and was severly beating him to the extent he feared for his life. To put it bluntly Saint Trayvon was a smart ass punk who attacked a guy with a gun and got killed in the struggle over it when he had the guy on the ground pounding the hell out of him..
Obama in his latest attempt to move away threw more gas on the fire portraying by Saint Trayvon as what he was an irreponsible kid..That explains Bengahazi, where he left a top American diplomat and his aides die and the rest of his scandals Obama hopes his diatribes will hide. .
Even after learning the shooter was a staunch Obama supporter, not Jewish, (very quickly dismissed ?) and a dark skinned hispanic. Obama did nothing to curtail the hyperbole or tone down his edict creating this as a racist episode. Obama the boss of bosses and gets all the information about anybody ignored Zimmermans defence of a homeless black maltreated by a local police officer which resulted in the disciplining of the offending officer which Zimmerman fearlessly waged a campaign for. .
The socialists controlling the media propaganda machine oblidged.. They began claiming the exclusive gated neighborhood watch captain was a white hispanic . used a picture of a 12 year old Martin instead of the 6 foot 165 pound person he was vs the smaller 140 pound lttle fatty neighborhood watch captain. Worse yet allowed his US Attorney General to use questionable activities to promote a show trial and ignored using a threat of prosecution to black militant groups threatening the watch captains life.
Do not confuse todays politicians and their ahearants in the press and academia as followers of Liberalism. . These are die hard God denying Im right youre wrong socialists incapable of independent thinking running todays media.. Devising political campaigns of lies and manipulated inflamatory languange disguised as news or reliable information designed to destroy any opponent or group to what is edict-ed by their leader. You must wind up goose-stepping in unison protecting the collective otherwise we will through the use of government step on you and squash you like some insect..
Why is this being done ? Who accompained Obama on his many trips around the world at taxpayer expence ? Were they the heavy hitters or their friends holding the president’s hand ? Seems like that could be considered pay back at US taxpayer expence. Isn’t that an impeachable offense ? Now if somebody even suggests this. What better way to discourage that by threatening riots in the streets ?
Until the quashers are quashed this will continue..
I am much more optimistic.
Maybe I’m just not getting it, but I think we’re set for a conservative rebound.
Just get Rove out of there, and bring in Palin.
Or somewhere in-between. Hannity wanted to appear even-handed and to grant "innocence" to both Martin and Zimmerman by calling the confrontation a "tragic misunderstanding."
Hannity might actually have believed his own story ... at first. But he ought to stop repeating his "tragic misunderstanding" version of events. The evidence is overwhelming that Trayvon Martin was, indeed, "up to no good."
And, unless there is other evidence that I havent read, he describes him as this guy. Not this black guy. Since it was dark, raining and TM was wearing a hoodie, Ive wondered if Zimmerman really knew what race he was. His suspicions were roused because of how the person was acting.
HA! I think it’s interesting that George described him as “this guy” and the media describe him as a “black” kid and George is accused of profiling. So...it’s OK to profile as long as it is used to “race-bait.
The victims in this national tragedy begin with George Zimmerman and include all of the innocent people who have been beaten or killed in the name of Trayvon. The race-baiters, beginning with the race-baiter and chief, Obama, have stirred up the savages to serve their own purposes, and they are libel for every injury don’t to innocents because of their actions.
New Jersey Homeowner Calls Cops on Bob Dylan
Forty Years After Woodstock, Bob Dylan Is Mistaken for a Homeless Man Aug. 14, 2009
Talk about a complete unknown.
Bob Dylan was detained by police in Long Branch, N.J. last month, when a young officer failed to recognize him, police said.... Dylan, 68, one of the most celebrated, eccentric artists in American history, was in the area on July 23 as part of a national concert tour -- a fact lost on 24-year-old Long Branch police officer Kristie Buble...
[T]he scene was like something out of one of Dylan's epic songs: It was pouring rain, Dylan was soaked and wandering alone, far from the traveling home of his entourage of tour buses.
When Dylan wandered into the yard of a home that had a "For Sale" sign on it, the home's occupants became spooked by his appearance and called police with a report of an "eccentric-looking old man" in their yard, Long Branch Police said. One of the occupants even went so far as to follow Dylan as he continued on down the street....
Yep... it is all about timing and circumstances!
Love that picture.
Last year I got so tired of hearing the Mother of Trayvon saying, he killed my chiiiiild that I called O’Mara’s office and told them to make cutouts of both Z and Martin to show how big this chiiiild was.
I thought it was a good effect in the trial.
Yes, I definitely think he is trying to play the role of peace maker.
However, not acknowledging the downhill slide of Martin is in fact racism. actual racism, and this behavior played a direct role in his death in as much as people routinely swept his wrong doings under the rug which gave him a sense of being untouchable.
Mr. Hannity, you are not doing anyone any favors at all by engaging in willful ignorance, so knock it off.
Martin was a criminal, and he died because he was a criminal.
...whose great-grandfather was black. Used to be called "octaroon" -- one-eighth black. It just didn't fit the template.
Hannity is wrong. But he’s still better than O’Reilly who has basically said George Zimmerman had no business getting out of the truck and had no business following St. Skittles.
I really believe they should dust the inside of that house for Trayvon's fingerprints, if they have them on file anywhere.
It also makes me wonder if that house is uninhabited. I mean, it's owned, but the owner is away, and that's why Zimmerman had the phone number. And THEN, if people know the owner is away right now, that's why they targeted that house. If so, that suggests that Trayvon either might have been involved in the first break-in, or might have been buddies with the ones that were and was contemplating a follow-up.
That makes GZ a macaroon
It’s all about exploitation and the herd mentality ingrained in a demographic as the democrips means to enslave and command votes. And these same democrips have the exact strategy in mind for Hispanics, hence the furious effort by the cadre of sycophantic media liars to distract from George Zimmerman being an obviously Hispanic man attacked by a black thug wannabe knockout punk named Trayvon Martin. IF the democrips are as successful in herding Hispanics as they have been with herding blacks, there will be many many Hispanic treyvon martins to exploit in the future of the democrips’ powewr politics.
Obvious racist profiling - paying attention to a Black yute because he’s looking in the windows of a house with White occupants - what could he have been thinking???
he describes him as this guy. Not this black guy. Since it was dark, raining and TM was wearing a hoodie, Ive wondered if Zimmerman really knew what race he was.
I made a similar id call to police around July 1st, early a.m. with bad lighting ,, teens breaking into cars ,, same scenario , I was no more than 50 feet away and couldn’t give the police race info , just clothing and height... turned out 2 black kids and 1 white kid. GZ saw Trayvon at twilight/sundown , it was late winter and it gets dark quickly.
The townhouse belonged to Frank Taffe who Zimmerman knew.
It is entirely possible that the 3 stooges at the 7 Eleven were the ones trying to burglarize Taffe’s house that night 2 weeks earlier.
The SPD should have found the 3 stooges and fingerprinted the inside of their vehicle to find out if Martin had been in it that night as they were probably the ones who dropped him off there that night after a little blunt smoking. The car that Zimmerman saw backing up was probably theirs.
Someone at the SPD had to know about these 3 and covered it up — probably the same people there who were passing information about the investigation to Tracey Martin and Ben Crump.
There is a follow up tape that shows that as he was leaving 3 stooges come in with hoodies up as well and go through their routine.
Thanks for this. Adding it to my keepers.
The type of burglary that Martin was up to is very common among young blacks in Florida. They peer through a window looking for stuff left on a dresser or a night-table (a watch, jewelry, even pocket change) and then get into the house - often through an unlocked door - sweep the stuff into their pockets, and take off again. Martin was obviously in the habit of doing this in Miami, since the stolen property they found in his backpack at school was typical of dresser-top stuff: a watch, some rings, etc. It’s an easy and generally safe form of burglary, and while they don’t get a huge haul, they get enough to make it worth their while.
I guess the only thing to be thankful for is that the burglars usually are looking for unoccupied houses and aren’t planning on sticking up the homeowner, although sometimes it turns out that the homeowner is there and things get violent.
An artist in Jacksonville was killed when a thug got into her house, thinking it was empty, and walked into the kitchen where she was quietly about to start preparing lunch. She was holding a knife in her hand, and she turned around and screamed when she saw him; he grabbed the knife, and while they were fighting, he stabbed her (he said it was an accident).
“The pro TM whites are more motivated by their discomfort of gunowners. Once the MSM made it into white CCW kills little black kid with soda and candy, it fits their notion of guns should be banned, and God forbid carried. For them, it fits their narrative that CCW will sooner or later get some innocent person killed because some CCW over reacted.”
I don’t think that fits all TM whites. My next-door neighbor was fawning and whining about that poor innocent kid....and she’s a Christian conservative who’s husband has so many guns he needed a gunsafe for them. Not a one-size-fits-all explanation. I chalk it up to sheer ignorance and stupidity. Enough to actually believe what ANY of the mainstream media outlets feed them.
Then again, it could have been her daughter’s influence...who has a 20-something year old son IN PRISON. Perhaps she ‘relates’ to Trayvon because of that. I don’t know for sure.
I’ve wondered if Zimmerman himself owned a hoodie - after all, they are not just worn by young blacks. I’d love to have a genuine pic of Z in a hoodie, to refute the lie that it was only the hoodie that made him suspicious.
Everyone that cares to know the truth knows (and so do many who dont want to know). GZ is just regular guy caught up in race baiting politics.
...the Five’s Bob Beckel doesn’t know that...apparently...
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