Skip to comments.Video: Birther Confronts Congresswoman Roby; Obama Is A Foreign-Born Communist Despot
Posted on 08/02/2013 5:35:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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Hey pop, What are they paying you trolls these days?
“Chasing” doesn’t mean actually catching and putting an immediate stop to it. Just more political blathering.
Why can’t O’bama produce ORIGINAL, old, wrinkled, BC that mama gave him???
Every person has it, use it, treasure it.
Biggest fraud in the history of the world
....aaaaand keeps lying and dismantling this great nation
.......aaaaand getting away with it
No guts left in at least ONE politician elected to defend the Constitution??
Pop, you are practically correct. Obama cannot prove he was born in Hawaii and we cannot prove he wasn't. Tie game. Practically, that means we are tied up in a fruitless debate.
Deuce. Advantage Obama.
Of course that has nothing to do with the BC, Selective Service, and SS forgeries. But since no one who can do anything about those will officially accept the evidence, that is also a tie game.
Deuce. Advantage Obama.
On a Federal level, the House of Representatives offers us a chance to stay in the game. However, the players representing us will not play hard. In fact, it is very often not altogether clear for whom they are actually playing. (See feckless response to Obamacare, Amnesty, IRS, etc.)
Deuce. Advantage Obama.
The good news? Well, we actually haven't lost the match ... yet. There's the election of '14; the election of '16. There is sovereign state government that can be strenghtened. There is still time for the emergence of a Program, a Plan to implement it, and a Leader to champion it; a winner.
But there is not much time. Many Americans are sleeping through the match. Perhaps they will wake up when it turns into a shootin' match.
“He who cannot be trusted with little cannot be trusted with much.”
First I do completely agree the image is not a valid scan.
The ‘left bend’ on the image is similiar to the ‘left bend’ that can be seen on the Nordyke twins certified copies.
But the Nordykes certified copies were produced in the mid-1960s. Before BC were scanned into a digital database (likely a WORM optical library) in Hawaii as they now obviously are.
This left bend comes from the document being photographed or mimeographed while still bound. When documents are scanned into an optical WORM library they are unbound and fed flat. And they are scanned with a transparent backround and usually with (1-bit, black and white) or 8-bit encoding to save space. This allows for the security paper (the green cross-hatch) to show through.
The odd thing with the Obama LFBC is that is the ONLY one to show the very distinct Nordyke-like left bend AND be printed on security paper. No other LFBC image to date has this distinction.
The forgers combined technologies from two different eras to create this monstrosity.
Oh - and perfectly centered fields with a manual typewriter?!?!?
Anyone who used a manual type writer knows that was a pain.
The hatching around the perimeter would need to be manipulated a great deal to result in consistent color and pattern, which consistency is evident in this image. The problem, as far as I’m concerned, is that we only have digital imagery to work with, not the original. Will have to trust the word of those who seek the original and have not found it, and that the qualifications as written in law require that a person’s father and mother both be US Citizens. If I were Barry Sotero I would not be throwing the word “phony” around so loosely.
So let me get this straight.
People are supposedly supporting Cruz for POTUS because they want to blunt the harm that is being caused to zero over accusations of him not being a NBC?
Do I understand you correctly?
Is it possible that a lot of people very much like Cruz and want to see him elected to the Presidency?
He is by far the most impressive elected official in office today, and maybe the best in my lifetime.
One cant produce that which doesnt exist!
Why cant obama show some healthy shame pn occasion?
Hes incapable of feeling any
It isn't "nonsense". There are quite a few plausible reasons to believe his claims may not be true. Hawaii has a strange Birth Certificate law which allows them to issue a birth certificate to the child of any Hawaiian resident, regardless of where that child was born.
For more than fifty years, Hawaii has been suspected of facilitating the creation of American birth certificates for foreign born children so as to offer a back door entry to American Citizenship.
I'm not going to get into all the reasons, but there are quite a few to cast suspicion on claims of a Hawaiian birth for Barry. To suspect that he might be foreign born is not a nonsensical position at all.
Both a photocopy of the whitehouse.gov PDF of Obama’s long form birth certificate and a Hawaii state Registrar Certified Letter of Verification for it were entered into evidence by Obama’s attorneys before a federal judge in Mississippi a year ago. The judge has recently stated that he will rule on the issue “soon.”
See pages 11 & 12 at the link below:
a photocopy of the whitehouse.gov PDF
I can make a photocopy of anything i can cook up in Illustrator...saved as a PDF or otherwise.
if I have obamas connections I could GET a letter of verification for ANYTHING
no one that Ive read seems to have addressed the vast differences in the manner in which the SHORT form “certificate” and the long form “certificate” were presented. another “small” point of contention.
Let’s see how the federal judge in Mississippi rules.
Again, PDF’s are scanned images for exhibition purposes. The original is in a safe in the state Registrar’s office in Honolulu. If anyone wants to see the original and inspect it, they can do so either under a court order from a judge or via a congressional subpoena from the Chairman of a Congressinal Committee. Congressional subpoenas have the force of court orders.
“You know, during the campaign of 2008, I was actually in the mainland campaigning for Sen. McCain. This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country. And so I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact. And yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue. And I think it’s, again, a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this. ... It’s been established. He was born here.”—(former) Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI)
The short answer is:
Why the need for an entirely forged/fabricated birth certificate if the info on it is all factual?
Why the need for an entirely forged/fabricated b.c. if most of the info on it is factual?
If there were only one or two items they needed to change, they would have taken his “real” b.c. and just photoshopped those one or two changes.
But no, the entire thing is a put together forgery. The sane and rational conclusion is that every single “fact” on the forgery is suspect and without independent hard evidence - most likely to be false.
A 4th grader can understand this easily. Maybe even 3rd grader. If home schooled, a 6 year old.
So by supporting him for president, you are accepting that 0bastard is also eligible. And that the part in the Constitution about the president must be a natural born citizen is nonsense.
You are saying that “our guy is more important that following the Constitution and rules and stuff like that”.
It is has long been my opinion that his initial sensitivity (back in 2008) to presenting the document indicates that there is something seriously wrong regarding it. In the back of my mind i've always thought he can't produce a real one.
‘MSNBC anchors were going nuts ‘
I would imagine that their two viewers were so upset that one of them probably had to turn off their TV and go meditate for a few days...
‘Your proof?????......there is none.’
Let’s face it, Obama is as Manchurian as one can get.
“An exact replica of the whitehouse.gov PDF with anomalies has been produced using the standard profile for scanning a document and emailing it on a Xerox WorkCentre 7655, then opening the PDF in Preview, rotating it 180 degrees and then saving to PDF. This workflow results in anomalies that are identical (not merely approximate) to the whitehouse.gov posted PDF:”
1. Initial scan of 600 DPI
2. Separation into a jpeg background and multiple monochrome foregrounds
3. Alignment of two boundaries with 8×8 bit offsets
4. Alignment of two boundaries with internal object
5. Downsampling the background to 150 DPI
6. Downsampling the foregrounds to 300 DPI
7. Saving the JPEG with a quality factor of 47.48% with specific Quantization Matrix
8. Embedding a YCbCr comment into the generated JPEG
9. Original JBIG2 compression (by Xerox)
10. Images are all in landscape direction
11. PDF version is changed (by Preview) from 1.x to 1.3
12. JBIG2 objects are now encoded as FlateDecode monochrome bitmaps
13. ObjStm objects are decomposed into multiple XObjects
14. /Rotate tag is replaced with cm level rotations
15. Metadata shows Preview creator/producer information
16. A clipping mask is added
The above is other people’s work, not mine. I am just posting it here for discussion purposes among folks who know a whole lot more about computer software than I do.
The above might become significant if there were ever to be a formal (beyond a volunteer non-profit organization posse which is adjunct to the statutory law enforcement agency) law enforcement investigation of forgery or if a grand jury were to look into the alleged crime.
No. That’s not what I’m saying.
I actually think Obama is not a NBC for a number of reasons, imcluding that he wasn’t born in the US.
There is room for debate amongst constitutional scholars aboutthe meaning of NBC.
Since zero was elected to two terms and served as POTUS it is clear that the courts have essentially relegated the issue to being a “political question”.
I don’t agree with handling it that way, and I think SCOTUS should have intervened when Congress failed to do its job by factually determining his Article 2 qualifications.
But since they didn’t, I’m not going to play the games of the left where each party plays by two sets of rules. That is, we play by the strictest of rules that they promptly and repeatedly ignore, while we get stomped over and over again.
Plus I have heard several constitutional scholars who say Cruz is in fact a NBC.
The precedent is established that it is indeed a political question. If you didn’t go to law school (not that going to one makes a lawyera constitutional scholar by any means) then I suggest researching the types of issues that the courts have rendered as such over the years.
The idea is to prevent a constitutional crisis.
I like Ted Cruz and if he is likely a NBC even under the strictest of definitions.
If you don’t want to support him because if this go ahead.
That’s your right.
The idea is to prevent a constitutional crisis.
I like Ted Cruz and if he is likely a NBC even under the strictest of definitions.
PREVENT? We are in the fifth year of a constitutional crisis. I’ve read obsessively the eligibility threads and it’s crystal clear what the intent of the Constitution is, and the meaning of NBC. There is not one court decision that says an NBC is whatever any wants it to mean.
And the idea that Cruz is a NBC by a strict definion - Insanity! He was born in CA and lived there for 4 years and his father was a Cuban citizen.
That the courts have not ruled on this only proves they are either leftist commie scum or chickens***s.
You know computer geeks, they tend to suffer from obsessive-compulsive disorder! Combine that with Obot proclivities and, voila.
I didn’t even post 1/100th of the data analysis that has been undertaken in trying to recreate the exact circumstances of the workflow for the whitehouse.gov PDF image.
They were given a challenge and they went to town.
Why would the courts rule when Senator Cruz isn’t even an announced candidate for any Article II, Section 1 position?
He’s a first eight months of his first term U.S. Senator and he’s eligible for that position.
The real test will come in 2016 if Senator Cruz should turn out to be the most viable and electable conservative alternative to Chris Christie to run against Hillary Clinton.
Bump to watch later
Hawaii Governor Neil Abercrombie cant find Obamas birth certificate (title shortened)
pop are you stupid?
what proof do you have he was born in Hawaii? I would love to see it.
(Don’t say ‘birth certificate’ - we all know its a fake, except maybe you)
Not only that, but Obama thinks you need to send a team of lawyers to “sign waivers” to get your own BC.
I would like to know what ‘waivers’ they had to sign- can we see those?
An exact replica of the whitehouse.gov PDF with anomalies has been produced using the standard profile for scanning a document and emailing it on a Xerox WorkCentre 7655, then opening the PDF in Preview, rotating it 180 degrees and then saving to PDF. This workflow results in anomalies that are identical (not merely approximate) to the whitehouse.gov posted PDF:
The source of the above quote appears to be here:
I would like to see rebuttal from the Cold Case Posse investigators who claim that the BC can’t be replicated in a scan...
A blog can post anything.
Video demonstration? None.
Known document investigator confirmation? None.
Anything that could be used in court? None.
The Xerox generated the clipping mask? Right.
Pure BS. Like that book from the loser.
It simple. Show the real actual 3D, in life DOCUMENT. Digital crap is just that - crap.
Someone still needs to explain why the White House use a Windows Explorer black and white print of an image off Snopes as its version of the COLB. That is simply laughable. Snopes - printed from Explorer? Really? Come-on? This is the best those 20-something future prison-wives can produce?
As usual, Fogbow Nero spews nonsense.
It can't be. Even when you opens and execute the pdf file with your browser to the White House hyperlink, you can see the actual rectangular white spaces that were cut out in the base document get pasted or copied as the consecutive image layers are added to render the full image. All 100% fake.
“Video demonstration? None.”
“Even when you opens and execute the pdf file with your browser to the White House hyperlink, you can see the actual rectangular white spaces that were cut out in the base document get pasted or copied as the consecutive image layers are added to render the full image.”
I would like to see “the workflow” to replicate that 100%, as claimed!
I wonder if any FReepers have access to that particular Xerox model...
“I would like to see the workflow to replicate that 100%, as claimed! “
Here is Nathan Goulding who tried to support Obama’s bull about 1 day after the WH press conference.
There was also an old thread on this too.
Check update II on the bottom. A link to his “replication”.
“UPDATE: Ive confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF”
He “thinks” it’s the same. LoL. I don’t see the cut out, distinct, and clear rectangular white spaces before the the bogus data is layered into place.
To get an exact, and they said exact, replica they would have needed a true original.
Where did they get that?
An exact replica of a forgery shows all the flaws of the original forgery.
Where is the downloadable 100% replicated pdf file made by copying a hard copy LFBC image using this claimed Xerox workflow methodology...a pdf file with the same “floating” signature block as the WH pdf?
Thanks for the Pings. Seems to me the CCP doesn’t need to rebut an unsubstantiated, undemonstrated pile of detritus produced by Fogblowers. They (CCP) have the 40 page report produced by a court-worthy certified document examiner.
“Where is the downloadable 100% replicated pdf file made by copying a hard copy LFBC image using this claimed Xerox workflow methodology...a pdf file with the same floating signature block as the WH pdf?”
At the site you provided a link to.
“Zoom in on the signatures. Notice how the parts that stay on the green background are touching one of the horizontal lines that form the border of box 18a. Those parts of the signatures and also the letters from the box 18a label were treated as an image, separated to the image layer and compressed as an image, while the rest of the signatures were treated as text and compressed as text.
After all the Preview metadata is written all over the document, it saves in PDF 1.3 format.
1. The document was scanned on a Xerox WorkCentre 7655
2. The document was emailed
3. The ocument was opened in preview and found to be upside down
4. The document was rotated and saved in preview
This explains all the important artifacts including the presence of the JPEG comment and the Quantization matrices, it explains how JBIG2 was used and yet it was encoded in FlateDecode, it even explains the margins added by preview. And the monochrome bitmaps also show indication of the scanning process and their alignments again match the expectations and predictions.”
Doing that makes just certain portions (the certifying elements, to be exact) moveable?
So would I, since simply asking for a BC is not enough for the normal people. Normal people have to tell all the critical information that is on the BC they’re asking for; the HDOH won’t give a BC without somebody first filling out an application which includes all that data - supposedly to make sure they’ve got the right one. If the lawyers included that form in the request then they didn’t disclose the entire request and there may well have been other “instructions”.
Interesting, too, that the gal videotaped ordering a long-form BC and being told she’d get it in 2 weeks didn’t have any lawyers with her and nothing was said about taking it to the director to have it individually approved...
they didn’t issue a statement that Obama was born at Kapiolani.
they didn’t issue a statement that Obama was born in Hawaii., only that the records (plural) “verify” (claim) that he was.
when asked point-blank to verify the facts as true, state registrar Alvin Onaka would not. He is the only one authorized to verify anything and must verify submitted facts if he can.
this contradicts her earlier statement that Obama’s records were treated no differently than anybody else’s.
Abercrombie had a month-long “investigation” to try to find Obama’s BC and claimed in public that something was “actually written down” but that it was going to cause a problem with Obama’s re-election efforts; when his friend probed him over that bizarre statement Abercrombie told him privately that the investigation had even gone to the hospitals and could find nothing that would prove a Hawaii birth. Abercrombie also shared that he had NOT seen Obama in Hawaii unti T-ball age - contradicting his very public statements that he was there when Obama was born and saw him with his parents at social events with the infant.
Even if those steps would create these digital results - and I strongly question whether they would be able to make only the certifying elements moveable, for instance - why would anybody take those steps? Why not just scan the document as-is, saving it as a jpeg, and then upload that jpeg to a website? And then why not let people handle the real 3D document on video so everybody can see?
And it’s not just digital anomalies that are a problem. For instance, a computer program does not center all the supposedly-manually-typed items.
A computer program does not change the cross-hatch pattern to one that the HDOH doesn’t use.
A computer program does not combine methods from 2 different eras, as bluecat6 mentioned.
And a computer program would not be able to get the HI state registrar to refuse to verify for Ken Bennett the actual facts of Obama’s birth, which is legally required of him if the White House BC is a scan of the actual document at the HDOH.
But I’m wondering if the folks at Fogbow have or have been fed some insider information from those who desperately need some kind of explanation for how the White House image is even plausible...
“This explains all the important artifacts...”
So where is this pdf file claimed to have replicated “all the important artifacts” made available to other researchers to enable verification of these claims of replication?
Looks like BS without the claimed “replicated” pdf file!
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