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Error Message - Obama's spin on Healthcare.gov may only make things worse
Slate ^ | October 22, 2013 | John Dickerson

Posted on 10/22/2013 2:58:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

President Obama is a gifted politician and knows how to win an election. But his spin on Healthcare.gov may only make things worse

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An IT problem has never escalated faster than the president's Rose Garden speech Monday addressing the problems with Healthcare.gov. He could no longer outsource responding to user complaints. At first, the White House had said the headaches signing people up for health care coverage were just technical glitches, but now the sheer number of those glitches defies that explanation. Reporting about deeper systemic problems suggest that fixes will not come quickly. As my colleague Matthew Yglesias explains, adding more bodies to the problem adds more complexity, which may exacerbate the problem. It's hard to untangle Christmas lights by committee.

Barack Obama doesn’t like to play the action-hero president where the application of his overwhelming will is supposed to directly correlate with a snappy solution. There are too many constraints on the presidency—Congress, a fickle public, world leaders, a $17 trillion economy, and the vagaries of time and space. But with the botched Obamacare rollout,the president was applying all the rhetorical torque he could muster. "Nobody's madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should," Obama said on Monday, "which means it's going to get fixed."

Rhetoric and will isn't going to solve this problem. That helped the president triumph over the government shutdown and debt limit crisis, when through determination and superior political positioning he out maneuvered his Republican opponents. Now he has a different kind of challenge—an operational challeng—where his talent for politics and persuasion are less useful and may even make matters worse. Putting a good spin on things only sets expectations that can then be dashed by reality.

It’s a challenge of the president's own making.........

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: obama; obamacare; obamafail; obamafraud
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1 posted on 10/22/2013 2:58:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s beginning to sound like the Space Shuttle Challenger. Warned of problems, management went ahead and launched.


2 posted on 10/22/2013 3:06:56 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In the first several days, administration officials spoke of "glitches," and Secretary Sebelius asked that people give the government the same amount of slack Apple gets when it launches a new product. But the administration dropped that analogy because, unlike Apple's quick admission that Apple Maps was a mess, the government can't just let users install Google Maps (and there have been no quick firings for the mess, as there were at Apple).

The difference between government monopoly and private industry in a nutshell; with the government running everything there is no accountability, no contrition, no correction, no alternatives. The cronies "control" everything and public be damned.

3 posted on 10/22/2013 3:17:24 AM PDT by Flick Lives (The U.S. is dead to me.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
It’s beginning to sound like the Space Shuttle Challenger.

In this particular case, I'll be rooting for the gremlins and that the whole thing goes down in flames.

4 posted on 10/22/2013 3:18:30 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Flick Lives
If Barky had run so much as one lemonade stand in his life he would have learned the lesson to always under promise and over deliver. The reverse leads directly to bankruptcy.

Like bad drivers love Volvos for self-preservation, bad employees love government jobs.

5 posted on 10/22/2013 3:26:36 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Nobody's madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should,"

Ooooh, that's some powerful language and I'm sure the techies are shaking in their flip-flops............

6 posted on 10/22/2013 3:34:37 AM PDT by varon ( para bellum, remove Obama)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

He had to read off the teleprompter that he was the one who was the most upset.
Maybe he can fix obamacare by putting it on the teleprompter that it is all fixed and will let you keep the insurance you have as well as your doctor,and lower your premium 2500 dollars.
Oh you say,those features of obamacare have nothing to do with the computer failures,good I was worried there for a moment


7 posted on 10/22/2013 3:43:46 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That helped the president triumph over the government shutdown and debt limit crisis, when through determination and superior political positioning he out maneuvered his Republican opponents.


That one cracked me up.

It wasn’t just me that said Cruz was putting up that fight in the beginning to use as political fodder when this thing crashes. It was pretty easy to see this coming.

Oh, and the crash of Obamacare is just beginning. This is going to be a VERY interestin six months. Kinda like the first six months of this year were - only more so.

I feel a little like an anti-Hitler German in Berlin in early 1945. I relish at my fearless leader’s collapse, but then I see the Russian troops coming and, well, I guess you have to see the silver lining and long term.


8 posted on 10/22/2013 3:44:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

It’s beginning to sound like the Space Shuttle Challenger. Warned of problems, management went ahead and launched.


For those of us in IT this was an easy call when the first problems were reported. Management driven dates, no time for testing. converting 30 man days of work into 30 contractors doing it in one day...stuff like that.

I’ve witnessed such disasters in my career and this one looks to be the biggest and most impactive in the history of electronic computing.

It’s kinda fun to watch, in a sort of schadenfreude way. :-)


9 posted on 10/22/2013 3:46:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: grobdriver

“In this particular case, I’ll be rooting for the gremlins and that the whole thing goes down in flames.”

As long as Ted Cruz & the House Republicans are prepared to defend a free-market solution to the Obamacare mess we’ll be OK. I worry about the gravitational pull of government single-payer, because that is where the next move will be.


10 posted on 10/22/2013 3:47:19 AM PDT by Tallguy (Leave the gun, take the cannolis.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Tossing this in here:

Did the last minute “patch” requiring people to sign up first before seeing any product (and being blamed as one reason this govt site isn’t working) happen so Obamacare salesmen could play with a marked deck and move applicants around in order to showcase “young and healthy” were filling up slots - “salt the mine” so to speak and encourage more to sign up?

If so, it didn’t work.

Judging from those human props (and their WH press released stories) flown in to stand behind Obama for the Rose Garden sales pitch, the Obamacare salesmen can’t advertise it as “sold.”

Obama had pitched this as, “will be as easy as buying a plane ticket online.”

Fail.


11 posted on 10/22/2013 3:48:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The theme of this article is that talk is not what is going to fix this - and talk is all this empty suit has. This is what I’ve been expecting since 2009 - an event so public and so failed that all but the most koolaid drenched will see him for what he is - a talker. A promiser. A speaker.

But not a leader.

I just didn’t expect it to take so long.


12 posted on 10/22/2013 3:48:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: All
Now you have to ask yourself----why did "His Greatness" heave himself into the Rose Garden to speak to his subjects?

I refer now to "Rush's Theorem": he endlessly golfs and vacays b/c he can't appear to be governing. B/c he would have to take responsibility when things go wrong

Precisely what's happened here----he's tied like a squealing pig to Obamacare---w/ all it's flops and failures.

So he's forced to address his subjects to reassure them he's as great as he told them he is.

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AS FREEPER SICKOFLIBS INSIGHTFULLY POSTED: If we oppose Obama’s Brave New World of socialist initiatives then we are responsible when things go wrong, not Obama. Benevolent Obama is all-knowing, all-wise. Between golf games and vacays, he can do no wrong.

13 posted on 10/22/2013 3:48:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

ERROR MESSAGE

14 posted on 10/22/2013 3:49:08 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: varon
""Nobody's madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should,"
Ooooh, that's some powerful language"

It may or may not be powerful, but it's certainly not even proper English.

One might say: "I am mad. Nobody is madder than I am." You can even shorten that to: "Nobody is madder than I."

You would never say: "Me is mad. Nobody is madder than me is."

You would think this Harvard educated genius could speak proper English. Oh, wait, maybe he wasn't a US citizen when he was educated in his proper native language.

15 posted on 10/22/2013 3:51:09 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: ballplayer

I’ve been on IT projects managed by little napoleon managers that went south.

Thing is, if you are a jerk manager, getting your people to fix the problem is a bit like getting your dog to stop chasing the squirrel. The only way you can actually control him is with one of those remote control shock collars.

I’ve seen IT guys come in and work diligently, day after day, on a problem like this, and get nowhere. ;-)


16 posted on 10/22/2013 3:51:21 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Liz

Precisely what’s happened here——he’s tied like a squealing pig to Obamacare-—w/ all it’s flops and failures.


And I believe Cruz knew this would happen when giving his “Dr. Suess” speech. He was just building a foundation.

This is really becoming excellent entertainment watching a leader scream at his army of ten to beat an army of 10,000 and honestly appear to believe that it will work.


17 posted on 10/22/2013 3:54:18 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Like one woman birthing a baby in nine months or nine women birthing a baby in one month, huh?!


18 posted on 10/22/2013 3:57:14 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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To: ballplayer
Mark Levin noticed he should have said "Nobody's madder than I," instead of using "me."
19 posted on 10/22/2013 3:58:24 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: All

"Carney hasn't told you yet---but I was recently diagnosed w/ 'transient global amnesia.'"

"But only on the subjects of Obamacare, Benghazi, Syria, and my golf score."

"I'm having an episode right now----relapsing back to
my days as a tuba player in my high school marching band.'

20 posted on 10/22/2013 3:59:13 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Flick Lives

The Dems have begun panning Obamacare (its roll out, for now) because they must stall for time and divert public attention from their lock-step support of this socialist program - from their progressive agenda. They know Obama is lame-duck but they want to take the House in 2014 and control all 3 branches of Federal government for Obama’s remaining 2 years in order to remove all freedom, and install one-party government.

Three points:

ALL the Democats voted to give us Obamacare and ALL the Republicans voted against it.

Because of CRUZ and CO.’s push to forestall it’s implementation and alert the American people that Obamacare is killing the U.S. economy and destroying America’s healthcare system AKA “shutting down govt,” the Dems are on record as supporting this turkey (ads, ads, ads). Democrats up for re-election can run but they can’t hide.

We need to start calling Obamacare what it is, “The Spawn of Hillarycare!”


21 posted on 10/22/2013 3:59:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cuban leaf

The liberals are already blaming the GOP and the shutdown, even though one of the few things Obama did not shutdown was the Obamacare roll-out.


22 posted on 10/22/2013 4:00:06 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I understand that the basic problem with the website is that they designed it to support 6 states and it’s supporting 36. They thought the states would establish their own exchanges and they thought wrong.


23 posted on 10/22/2013 4:01:14 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ballplayer

The president has shown what a good liar he is - that he has no qualms about lying to the American people.


24 posted on 10/22/2013 4:01:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: cuban leaf

Prolly needed massive doses of valium and vodka before heaving himself into the Rose Garden to tell us how great he is.


25 posted on 10/22/2013 4:02:33 AM PDT by Liz
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To: cuban leaf

“I’ve seen IT guys come in and work diligently, day after day, on a problem like this, and get nowhere. ;-)”

Ah yes...”malicious compliance:” when the boss tells you to do something that you know it’s wrong and dangerously stupid, but you do it anyway because the boss is a pr!ck and deserves the crap storm that’s going to fall on him because you did what you were told to do.

It’s my favorite form of subversion!

I’d be willing to bet that there was more than a little malicious compliance at work here given the sheer stupidity of the demands the government was placing on these contractors. That part is amusing. What’s downright terrifying is that this regime tried to keep the prices on the exchanges secret until after one registered, so that they would have all your personal information should you ever deign to bitch about the cost of everything there!

Intimidation, anyone?

I have not visited that vile website and never will.

FUBO!


26 posted on 10/22/2013 4:12:21 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
ALL the Democats voted to give us Obamacare and ALL the Republicans voted against it.

Mmmmmmmmm.....political theatre at its best.....Va's Cuccinelli has already grabbed onto this as a political issue.

For the Democrats, Obamacare is spiraling out of comtrol like a cancerous growth----more like an extremely virulent flesh-eating disease......spreading fast amongst the Dem political classes.

27 posted on 10/22/2013 4:14:30 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Reeses

Good point. That may be one reason Marxism always always always ends up using force rather than marketing to impose their will. They really don’t get the power of a good product.


28 posted on 10/22/2013 4:15:00 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

“Impose their will” should be “impose ITS will”

Sorry.


29 posted on 10/22/2013 4:17:02 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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30 posted on 10/22/2013 4:19:51 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Liz

99.999% are POLITICIANS!

Grab them by the short hairs and read them the riot act.

They’ll follow the money because they are POLITICIANS!

There is only so much campaign money to go around - turn the ones who vote for their own survival (they can be removed later once a good conservative is found to replace them) and primary the ones who are in leadership and think they are untouchable.

They have to fear us more than they fear push polls.


31 posted on 10/22/2013 4:23:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: PghBaldy

I loved the first attempt to blame the mess on the Republicans: The people working on it were afraid the Republicans would subpoena their IT personnel.

They must have poll-tested that one and gotten nothing but maniacal laughter.


32 posted on 10/22/2013 4:26:28 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: varon
Nobody's madder than me

It is always about him.

I'm sooooooo mad, I'm going to hold my breath until it's fixed...

She's mad too, now you're all in BIG trouble.


33 posted on 10/22/2013 4:26:58 AM PDT by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: Springfield Reformer

David Horowitz:

“...........Ever since abandoning the utopian illusions of the progressive cause, I have been struck by how little the world outside the left seems to actually understand it. How little those who have not been inside the progressive mind are able to grasp the cynicism behind its idealistic mask or the malice that drives its hypocritical passion for “social justice.”

No matter how great the crimes progressives commit, no matter how terrible the futures they labor to create, no matter how devastating the human catastrophes they leave behind, the world outside the faith seems ready to forgive their “mistakes” and to grant them the grace of “good intentions.” .......

............But they are lying. When they defend racial preferences now, for example, a principle they denounced as “racist” and fought against as “civil rights” activists then, even they must know it.

The first truth about leftist missionaries, about believing progressives, is that they are liars. But they are not liars in the ordinary way, which is to say by choice. They are liars by necessity, and often, therefore, without realizing that they are. The necessity for lying arises because it is the political lie that gives their cause its life.

Why, if you were one of them, for example, would you tell the truth? If you were serious about your role as part of humanity’s vanguard, if you had the knowledge (which others did not), that would lead them to a better world, why would you tell them a truth they could not “understand” and that would only servie to hold them back?

If you believed that others could understand your truth, you would not think of yourself as part of a “vanguard.” You would no longer inhabit the morally charmed world of an elite whose members alone can see the light and whose mission is to lead the unenlightened towards it. If everybody could see the same horizon and knew the path to reach it, the future would already have happened and there would be no need for the army of the saints.

That is both the ethical core and psychological heart of what it means to be a part of the left. That is where the gratification comes from. To see yourself as a redeemer. To feel anointed. To be among the elect. In other words: To be progressive is itself the most satisfying narcissism of all.

That is why it is of little concern to them that their socialist schemes have run aground, burying millions of human beings in the process. That is why they don’t care that their panaceas have caused more human suffering than any injustice they have ever challenged. That is why they never learn from their “mistakes,” why the continuance of Them is more important than any truth............”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Progressive%20Narcissism.htm


34 posted on 10/22/2013 4:27:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

..and he knew it wasn't going to work

35 posted on 10/22/2013 4:28:28 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: norwaypinesavage
It may or may not be powerful, but it's certainly not even proper English. One might say: "I am mad. Nobody is madder than I am." You can even shorten that to: "Nobody is madder than I." You would never say: "Me is mad. Nobody is madder than me is."

Exactly. You saved me the trouble of posting that.

36 posted on 10/22/2013 4:29:17 AM PDT by Old_Grouch (66 and AARP-free. Monthly FR contributor.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Nobody's madder than me about the fact that the website isn't working as well as it should," Obama said on Monday, "which means it's going to get fixed."

President Petulant. Why should he give a damn - he's not subject to this abomination that he foist upon the American people. And I don't beieve it's capable of being fixed, not in the short term anyway. Further, it must not be fixed, it must not be patched, it must not be amended, it must be abolished!!!!

37 posted on 10/22/2013 4:35:37 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: cuban leaf
I’ve been on IT projects managed by little napoleon managers that went south.

In the 90's one of my good customers awarded a large project to a competitor and 18 months and multiple of millions later, they asked us to look at the project.

Two of our best people examined the project plan, the time line , coding etc and decided that we couldn't fix it and that it couldn't be salvaged.

I by passed the IT Vice President and went to the CEO and told him we were going to pass and that this project was doomed to failure {I was a real star with the IT group/S}and our recommendation was to scrap it and start over.

They plodded on for another 8 months and then fired the VP in IT , scrapped the project and went back out for a new bid.

38 posted on 10/22/2013 4:37:48 AM PDT by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great article, and so true. Thanks!


39 posted on 10/22/2013 4:41:06 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Marking thanks.


40 posted on 10/22/2013 4:41:39 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Your comment that "Obamacare is the spawn of Hillarycare" needs to go viral.

Cuccinelli needs to use it ---to keep up the rant against O/care---b/c smug Hillary came to Va to campaign for McAwful (and so did Billy Boy).

The two demons presence there means the Dem vote fraud meat grinder is being readied for Cuccinelli.

41 posted on 10/22/2013 4:42:18 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Liz
I refer now to "Rush's Theorem":

Yep. "Nobody's madder than me" is not only bad grammar, it is the Limbaugh Theorem expressed in four words.

42 posted on 10/22/2013 4:44:40 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
"Nobody's madder than me" is not only bad grammar, it is the Limbaugh Theorem expressed in four words.

Great point.

43 posted on 10/22/2013 4:47:40 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Real Cynic No More

Mythical Man Month. I think that is where your example came from.

:-)

There was a dilbert cartoon where the manager told dilbert that a project was going to take, like, 180 days, so he was going to hire 180 contractors and get it done in a day.


44 posted on 10/22/2013 4:48:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Doogle

Wow. A flying train-dive bomber. Very impressive. Is that from World War II?


45 posted on 10/22/2013 4:49:36 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Liz

Bump!


46 posted on 10/22/2013 4:53:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

right after the roll out OCT 1st 2013


47 posted on 10/22/2013 4:53:54 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Stingray

I have not visited that vile website and never will.


Here is a good reason not to:

I was on a liberal site yesteday, and a LIBERAL told of his friend using his computer to try to sign up. Here are the comments he made:

This is rather strange. I have a friend in my home right now that connected with healthcare.gov and got through when I had him go through the state exchange. After confirming with his email, and when he reconnected with healthcare.gov, he was asked whether he had purchased veterinarian insurance in the last two years. I have owned the cat that he was asked this question about for over four years. (He moved to a condominium complex where he could not have the cat and I took ownership of the animal at that time.) I have never purchased insurance for the animal as I take care of its needs, excluding rabies shots which I must go to a vet for by law, at home using supplies from the farm goods store.

This event raises alarms in my mind because animal insurance has nothing at all to do with human insurance. What is the actual purpose of the site? Is it to collect more information on Americans and United States residents for spycraft?

The site gives you the option of not entering your SS#, and he opted not to. His name is not uncommon, though also not common. The site picked his location from my IP address (common) and then picked out who he was from my IP. There are only three others in SLC with the same name as he. This means that they concluded who he was through association with me and the use of my IP address.

I tell people all the time that they need beware of data mining. The US gov is among the least proficient data miners.

The healthcare.gov also automatically sent his information to the state Department of Workforce Services for enrollment in Medicare, while not giving him a price for insurance.


48 posted on 10/22/2013 4:55:19 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: firebrand

It really is amazing how bad this is. Now, people are losing their coverage, and may actually want help from the govt, and Obama screwed it up. I HOPE people figure out who is to blame.


49 posted on 10/22/2013 4:57:20 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The problems
1) Sole source (no-bid) contract
2) A Canadian contractor with a track record of failures
3) A program (Obamamcare) with undefined and changing requirements, causing numerous change orders adding more costs to the program.

Government solution: throw more money at it

What could go wrong?


50 posted on 10/22/2013 5:03:17 AM PDT by Bruce Kurtz
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