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There Is Only ONE Peaceful Path Left To Avoid Destruction
The Market Ticker ^ | 10/25/2013 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 10/25/2013 7:25:28 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Folks, if you have read me recently you know that I've said that you are the problem and that the reason this is true is that you won't go on strike, you won't picket DC and refuse to leave until the government stops stealing from you and debasing the currency, you won't reduce your spending and income to only that which provides necessities, and most of you go on to justify your behavior with "my kids (and/or family) deserve what I can provide."

You're fools and I'm going to prove it.  

Further, I'm going to prove -- by arithmetic -- that if you follow the above path you will destroy yourself along with your children and grandchildren.

Here's why.

There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

None of the people getting means-tested government benefits will ever vote to reduce them, nor vote for any politician that will reduce them.

But it's factually much worse than it first appears because federal government workers will not vote to fire themselves either, just as the 17th Amendment (ed: The worst thing to ever happen to this country) is inviolate because The Senate will never vote to fire itself.

So we must in fact subtract 21,880,000 from the full-time worker count.

In other words you're outvoted by 36%.

Does it make sense yet?  This is not a small margin and it cannot be politically reversed because the margins are too high.  Were the skew relatively small (and it looks small until you subtract out federal workers) you could potentially do so, because some people won't vote and you could "motivate the base."  But note that with the federal workers out, and we're not subtracting the State workers, which also exist on this same largesse, you can't get there because this means nearly 40% of those receiving such benefits would have to stay home when reductions are proposed, and they never will.

As such you cannot vote your way out of this.  

You cannot politically organize your way out of this.

You can't do it in the Democrat Party and you can't do it in the Republican Party.  Nor can you do it in a third party.

Every single person who argues otherwise is an idiot or worse, a fraudster (if they have run the numbers above.)

Delusions persist because people don't examine the facts in detail.  I recognize that I participated in attempting to politically change things for far too long because I did not look, in detail, at the math.

But I can no longer make any logical argument that political activism is useful in any way, shape or form.  It is a waste of energy, time and money that I can expend elsewhere on something that brings me more joy, rather than tilting at windmills.

There is only one remaining peaceful way to change things: Withdraw your consent and thus intentionally but peacefully and lawfully destabilize the underpinning of the government debt market, thereby denying the government the means to continue screwing you, your children and grandchildren irrespective of the vote count.

The only other choices remaining are consenting to your own economic death, along with that of your children and grandchildren, or violence.

If you claim that you will "get yours" for "your kids" (or your spouse, or just yourself) you're deluding yourself as the odds are that (1) you will fail and (2) even if you "succeed" the victory will be both temporary and pyrrhic as you cannot overcome the voting block deficiency.

In short, read this Ticker again in light of the above mathematical facts.

Then act, or not, but the math doesn't care if you agree with it or not.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: fed; karldenninger; marketticker; welfare

1 posted on 10/25/2013 7:25:28 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

“As such you cannot vote your way out of this.”

Yes, but there ARE other ways (1776).


2 posted on 10/25/2013 7:28:47 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Go John Galt.


3 posted on 10/25/2013 7:34:13 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Being able to vote yourself largess from the government treasury is democracy’s dirty little secret. It’s why so many Americans prefer it to a Constitutional Republic.


4 posted on 10/25/2013 7:36:19 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

ping


5 posted on 10/25/2013 7:36:30 PM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM/BHO FREE AMERICA.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Karl is a smart guy but it sure took him a long time to wake up!


6 posted on 10/25/2013 7:42:24 PM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Denninger is wrong....there is NO peaceful way out of this.

The commies who have seized power have no intention of
EVER relinquishing power by any means other than their
violent demise. The commies leave power one way and one
way only.....feet first and room temperature. The sooner
people realize and accept that ugly reality the sooner they
can start preparing for the coming storm.


7 posted on 10/25/2013 7:55:10 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

So, a good description of the problem, but what’s is a realistic solution to the problem. As a small business owner, the IRS already has electronic access to my accounts.


8 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:26 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Signalman

His point was that other than his suggestion that everyone stop earning any more than they absolutely need to stay alive (thus starving the fedgov beast of its fodder), there are no other *peaceful* ways to get out of this situation.

Frankly, IMHO, the producers in the US need to stop looking for peaceful ways out. If the takers in the US only see passive resistance, they’ll just find ways to work around it because they will believe that there will be no consequences to them personally for continuing on their parasitic path. If, however, they become subject to immediate and intimate consequences for continuing to support policies that aim to extract some arbitrary “fair” amount of others’ wealth to pay for the takers’ giveaway programs and nascent police state, then they may start having second thoughts about their actions. That goes for not just senior politicians, but those who provide their security, help run their offices, donate to their party and to them, right down to ordinary private citizens who promote and espouse such policies. As Denninger has claimed several times now, such people are enemies of freedom, and deserve to be literally eaten for trying to take away honest citizens’ resources and redistribute them to those who do not deserve them.


9 posted on 10/25/2013 8:03:56 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: kaehurowing

Denninger’s answer would be “shut your business down”. Get a job somewhere that provides you with just enough to feed, clothe, and shelter your family, and pays little enough that you pay little or nothing in net taxes to the government. That’s essentially what he has done over the past several months.


10 posted on 10/25/2013 8:05:29 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: nvscanman

America needs a Pinochet. And how do the marines feel about their new girly hats anyway?


11 posted on 10/25/2013 8:15:33 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Little Pig

Who is John Galt?


12 posted on 10/25/2013 8:16:53 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings)
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To: bicyclerepair

Character in Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged.” I haven’t read it or seen the movie, but if you Google the name you will read explanation.


13 posted on 10/25/2013 8:32:52 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: bicyclerepair

Oh, sorry, I get your post now.


14 posted on 10/25/2013 8:36:36 PM PDT by rimtop56
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To: Little Pig

One big problem that will most likely develop if government revenue drops as earnings and sales decline is what other countries are doing/looking at——a wealth tax. There may be indeed no peaceful way........


15 posted on 10/25/2013 8:38:37 PM PDT by yadent
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To: bicyclerepair
I am John Galt.
16 posted on 10/25/2013 8:41:21 PM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: rimtop56
Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged." I haven’t read it..

A shameful admission. One that should be corrected as soon as possible. Skip the movie and read the book!

17 posted on 10/25/2013 8:51:45 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Here’s something for those of you who believe in returning to FIRST PRINCIPLES.

WHY THE POLITICAL RULING CLASS NO LONGER LISTENS TO US!
Among others, Thomas Jefferson warned that the financial disaster we now face would be but one of many problems paper money would visit upon us if we allowed our “leaders” to remove the backing from the currency, to wit:
“When the servants of the people are paid with something other than that which the people themselves have produced (i.e. the real, tangible products of their labors or some fixed and real medium of that exchange), the roles of master and servant will be reversed.”
It was believed by Roger Sherman and a majority of those at the Constitutional Convention that un-backed currency would so damage the fabric of the nation that they ATTEMPTED to prohibit it with these few words at Article 1, Section 10, requiring the states to enforce the prohibition: “No State shall…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts;”
If the people and their states grew inattentive to this matter (and they have!), Jefferson also saw this problem ahead:
In a letter to John Taylor in 1816, he wrote, “And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
We have been “…swindling futurity…” for a long time and this is now where we find ourselves. If the government, through its banker masters at the Federal Reserve, can create “money” from thin air, they certainly don’t need ours every April 15th. That annual sheep shearing is simply an attempt to vacuum enough of the excess paper from the system to keep the rest of us from catching on to the biggest theft ring in the history of man. They have now created so much that their attempt is failing and failing badly to a point where all but the dullest among us (Obama voters and his growing cadres of personal and corporate welfare beneficiaries) are starting to “get it.”
If you understood that last paragraph, you can now make the small leap to an understanding as to why the “progressive” utopian welfare state hacks in Washington don’t give a damn WHAT you think. Their power to create all the “money” they need to fuel their infernal machine and fill the gaping maws of enough of those hoards of welfare constituents to assure their perpetual re-election means that — ready — THEY NO LONGER NEED YOU! They have become, as Mr. Jefferson predicted, our MASTERS.
That they are taking down a nation and a system that has provided more wealth, safety and abundance to more people than any other in history matters not to them. Failing to grasp the lesson of the French Revolution, they believe themselves to be above the impending disaster.
We’re running out of time to get this increasingly rapacious beast back into the cage from which we have carelessly allowed it to escape.


18 posted on 10/25/2013 8:53:54 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: yadent
One big problem that will most likely develop if government revenue drops as earnings and sales decline is what other countries are doing/looking at——a wealth tax. There may be indeed no peaceful way........

Some people feel that the wealth tax is already in motion.

Beginning on 11/17/13 the banks/government will not allow transfer of funds in excess of $50,000 out of the country.

I don't know all the details but it looks like they are locking down the people's wealth "for some reason".

19 posted on 10/25/2013 8:55:02 PM PDT by oldbrowser (The debt limit is the emergency brake on government spending)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

We criticize the House for not using the power of the purse, but as conservatives, we are just as unwilling. We need a 2-phase spending freeze as an object lesson to our government. Phase 1: Weekly short-term spending freeze. No financial transactions on Monday. Call it John Galt Monday. Continue this short-term spending freeze while promoting it by word of mouth. When market/populace saturation reaches between 15 and 20%, shift to phase 2. Phase 2 is a long-term discretionary spending freeze. Phase 2 continues until the government reduces spending dramatically and meets the requirements to be debated by the public.

http://backyardfence.wordpress.com/conservative-action-plan/

Think about it, share it with your friends.


20 posted on 10/25/2013 9:26:32 PM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: Little Pig

it’s ‘starving the monkeys’ tactic, nationwide.

great book overall, some parts i disagree with.


21 posted on 10/25/2013 10:55:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
This all goes back to the "one man, one vote" decisions by the SCOTUS back in the 1960's. They greatly reduced the political influence of rural areas. And that's what this mess boils down to, urban areas versus rural areas.

Learn to grow your own food, barter, and go on a partial if not full strike. This battle can be won. Look at Detroit. New York is about to get a lot worse. Let them rot in their own liberal filth. Those who see the light can move out.

22 posted on 10/25/2013 11:13:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: kabar
Go John Galt.

It would be a step, but only effective for a short while because it would also trigger a "crisis" that would have them confiscating what you have and even changing the currency so it would no longer be useful. Precious metals become illegal as tender and a punishable crime. Weapon ownership will put you in the "family dog who barks" status and you will be shot merely because they know you have a weapon, even if you may not be carrying it at the time.

The People will eventually have to take to the streets or end up in the stockyards...

23 posted on 10/26/2013 4:45:03 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: kaehurowing

The message behind ‘Going Galt’ is that we can only be victims if we allow it, if we participate in it. The premise is starve the beast. Quit trying to succeed. Instead, gather your resources and only purchase to sustain.

Get your cash, the bulk of it anyway OUT of the banks. They can be shuttered in an electronic microsecond. Plus then, you can use it as necessary without an electronic trail.


24 posted on 10/26/2013 6:07:44 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I like Karl’s work. But even people on the dole or government don’t vote in lockstep. Besides even if I shirked my responsibilities and went to DC to protest, the political class will not care anyway. By Karl’s own writing we are a minority. The big cities are the country’s problem. Changing their voting patterns by 10-20% would change the dominant political philosophy. However, Karl has supported the dominant political philosophy of the last 100 years. His justified fear, dare I say terror, at the natural outcome of his political views is hopefully reflected by new voting patterns. As I see it there are only four possible ways out; 1) The citizens change their ways and vote responsibly. (VERY unlikely.) 2) A constitutional convention amends the constitution to eliminate DCs ability to impose their tyranny upon us. (Less likely than 1 and the government wouldn’t follow the newly revised constitution anyway.) 3) The armed forces, upholding their oath to the constitution, rise up and clean house restoring the constitutional republic. (More likely than 1 or 2 but still unlikely.) 4) Some event from within or without causes us to change our ways. (This is the only likely scenario.) Not pretty, but realistic IMHO. When the change comes the voting base must be reduced in size. Presently we are more of a corrupt democracy than a republic.


25 posted on 10/26/2013 8:40:23 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

bkmk


26 posted on 10/27/2013 2:59:14 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

27 posted on 10/27/2013 5:53:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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