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The Five Worst Fighter Aircraft of All Time
National Interest - Commentary ^ | 1-11-2013 | Robert Farley

Posted on 01/11/2014 8:25:52 AM PST by Sir Napsalot

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To: Mr Rogers; tanknetter; All

Thanks for a lively discussion.

I KNEW our FReeper In House Experts can fisk the article to threads .......


61 posted on 01/11/2014 10:57:13 AM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: GeronL

Japan has their new super phantoms. West German pilots were very proficient and won mock battles with it against the Mig29


62 posted on 01/11/2014 11:06:58 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: lavaroise

new? New Super Phantoms?

Cool. Did they replace all the heavy metal with carbon fibre and stuff? Making it lighter would probably make it faster and more maneuverable


63 posted on 01/11/2014 11:14:26 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: lavaroise

According to a Wiki entry....

IAI’s (Israel) F-4 “Super Phantom” or F-4-2000, which could exceed Mach 1 without afterburners, was displayed at the 1987 Paris Air Show.

McDonnell Douglas scuttled the F-4-2000’s development because it equaled the F/A-18C/D in performance and could endanger future F/A-18 sales.


64 posted on 01/11/2014 11:17:53 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: jaydee770

I think it was in regards with the F16 being an electric power hog,which, upon losing an engine, had like 20 seconds controllable lifespan using battery and no external wind generator like the Harrier.


65 posted on 01/11/2014 11:18:00 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Calvin Locke

Iirc, it was partially that (also the same rationale as having the capsule in the B-1A) plus the Navy thought it would provide better survivability to crews lost at distance from the carrier.


66 posted on 01/11/2014 11:23:18 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Are you sure about the weapons bay? I thought the F-111B wasn’t going to have the bay because that’s where, with it’s much shorter nose (to allow visibility on approach to the carrier), that’s where all the avionics were going to go.

Also, the swing wing was very desirable for carrier ops. That’s why they kept it for the F-14 and why the NATF/F-22N was going to have one.


67 posted on 01/11/2014 11:27:14 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: 98ZJ USMC

Hilarious! I lived in Naperville an remember the remains of the old Nike base there, which was used for sports fields and still is today.


68 posted on 01/11/2014 11:28:37 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: GeronL

I agree — I think that it is esthetically a beautiful plane.

Just like the P-38 of WWII vintage.


69 posted on 01/11/2014 11:30:06 AM PST by 353FMG
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To: 98ZJ USMC
I remember those NIKE sites as a kid.

I have a memory of seeing a NIKE battery in the Watchung area of New Jersey, when we were out hiking around or something. I often wonder if I just dreamed it or imagined it. I know we talked about them a lot.

70 posted on 01/11/2014 11:35:39 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Mr Rogers

Good stuff at post 55!

I was not a pilot, but grew up in the military and was in the Army for many years. The F-4 was a very effective airframe and mentioning it on this list was ridiculous. Every aircraft has flaws in some performance parameters, but few logged as many hours as the Phantom and like others have said, they are still going!

Regarding current aircraft it is obvious that the F-15 and F-16 are terrific planes and they may eventually rank up there with the P-51 (for most measurements) although (thankfully) they will never achieve the overall combat record.


71 posted on 01/11/2014 11:40:33 AM PST by volunbeer
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To: GeronL

http://flyphantom.com/?page_id=206

F-4 EJ KAI upgrade.


72 posted on 01/11/2014 11:48:06 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: IronJack
living proof that with a big enough engine, you can make a piano fly.”

wonder what a piano could do with twin J 79s?

73 posted on 01/11/2014 11:51:07 AM PST by sternup
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To: Sir Napsalot

F7U maneater


74 posted on 01/11/2014 11:52:33 AM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: lavaroise

cool.

Like the IAI version, these things were almost equal to the F-18 in 1987... your version is even more advanced it seems. Which is pretty extraordinary.


75 posted on 01/11/2014 11:52:40 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: alloysteel

F-102


76 posted on 01/11/2014 11:53:15 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Yorlik803

Agreed. At the end of the article are listed the author’s credentials. Not much listed in aviation.


77 posted on 01/11/2014 11:55:15 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: GeronL
If you ever get to Honolulu, spend an afternoon at Pearl. Take the launch out to the Arizona and you'll take a whiff of the “tears” (N6 oil) coming up from the wreck.

The Missouri is parked just down from the memorial. We visited about four years ago when the BB had just come out of dry dock with fresh paint. One of the strongest impressions I got was from the combination of 1940 big guns along side 1980s missile technology.

78 posted on 01/11/2014 11:55:18 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks ("Say Not the Struggle Naught Availeth.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Sounds like it would make an impression on anyone.


79 posted on 01/11/2014 11:56:59 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I would think any fighter you were shot down in qualifies.


80 posted on 01/11/2014 12:49:28 PM PST by Organic Panic
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