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Senator Cruz still promotes the socialist/progressive’s tax upon incomes?
2/4/14 | johnwk

Posted on 02/04/2014 4:39:05 PM PST by JOHN W K

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To: JOHN W K

I like it, because my ideal would be to repeal the 16th, and then tax only those things that the Federal government did before the tax was in place.

Of course we wouldn’t be able to sustain a large Federal Government in that case, which would be fine with me.


41 posted on 02/04/2014 8:52:34 PM PST by JSDude1 (Defeat Hagan, elect a Constutional Conservative: Dr. Greg Brannon!)
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To: abb

>”If “slavery” by definition is an income tax rate of 100%, then any lesser percentage is merely a matter of degree”<

It’s just making Slavery “Part Time”, like Obamacare is making Employment “Part Time”.


42 posted on 02/04/2014 8:56:35 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: smoothsailing
You previously wrote: The rule of apportion would require 50 different direct taxes for each of the states and commonwealths. That comment is not true. But each state would pay in proportion to its voting strength as commanded by our Constitution. Do you have a problem with Representation with a proportional financial obligation whenever a direct tax is levied among the states?

JWK

43 posted on 02/04/2014 8:56:48 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

My comment is true. Each state’s burden would be different, call it whatever you want to.

To answer your question, I have no problem with “Representation with a proportional financial obligation whenever a direct tax is levied among the states.” It’s a wonderful principle.

How would it work today? Would it be triggered for each new aircraft carrier the Navy requested? Each new paint job for a federal building. Every time a soldier needed a new pair of boots? How would it work for repairs to an interstate highway? In an average day, how many direct taxes would you estimate the Federal Government would impose on the states? 1,000? 10,000? How large would the Federal bureaucracy have to be to manage such a task? As large as the IRS you just abolished?

The little example you offered of the $3M direct tax of 1813 was quite quaint, but not particularly instructive for an era of federal budgets approaching 4 Trillion dollars.


44 posted on 02/04/2014 9:18:59 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
So now you are defending the outrageous spending levels of Congress?

JWK

45 posted on 02/04/2014 9:45:36 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: smoothsailing
How would it work today? Would it be triggered for each new aircraft carrier the Navy requested?

The apportioned tax would be triggered whenever Congress spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and excise taxes levied upon specifically chosen articles of consumption and borrows to meet its expenditures. Our founder's intentions are expressed in a number of the state ratification documents, e.g. see:

Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire; June 21, 1788 Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

JWK

46 posted on 02/04/2014 9:52:16 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K
Ok, so Ted Cruz is a bad guy. Who is better?
47 posted on 02/04/2014 9:58:52 PM PST by McGruff (I'm a Conservative. Not necessarily a Republican.)
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To: JOHN W K
So now you are defending the outrageous spending levels of Congress?

You really need to refrain from unsupportable assumptions.

It diminishes your argument and makes others less inclined to take you or your proposal seriously.

Goodnight.

48 posted on 02/04/2014 10:11:06 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: McGruff
No one suggested Ted Cruz is a bad guy. Are we not to question a bad idea when proposed?

JWK

49 posted on 02/05/2014 5:16:28 AM PST by JOHN W K
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To: smoothsailing
You really need to refrain from unsupportable assumptions.

That is what you appeared to suggest and why I asked a question.

You really need to differentiate between a question and assumption. Not doing so makes you look silly.

Good night!

JWK

50 posted on 02/05/2014 5:22:25 AM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

I support Ted Cruz and the flat tax.

:-)


51 posted on 02/05/2014 8:28:35 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita
There are a lot of people who support the socialist/progressive's tax on incomes, especially those who use it to redistribute earned wealth

I'm not one of them!

JWK

The liberty to fail or succeed at one’s own hand is a PROGRESSIVE‘S nightmare and not the American Dream

52 posted on 02/05/2014 12:54:57 PM PST by JOHN W K
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To: JOHN W K

Neither am I. ;-)


53 posted on 02/05/2014 7:34:32 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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