Posted on 02/19/2014 6:04:08 PM PST by Seizethecarp
From Sharon Rondeau's notes on the audio of Boyles' interview of Volin at the link:
Regarding his Sheriff’s Kits, Volin said “I have doctors calling me and asking for 20 copies.” He said that Obamacare is slashing work hours and that people are “getting angry” about Obama’s actions, which then translate to their looking harder at the questions surrounding Obama.
In response to Boyles’s question about an announcement from the Cold Case Posse next month, Volin responded that new information will be released, perhaps in “the middle of March,” and that prosecutions will follow. In December, Tea Party Power Hour host and citizen researcher Mark Gillar had announced the same in a video sent to The Post & Email.
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SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle.
The only “evidence” is a forged document that was emailed to Corsi (who believes liars like Gilbert) purporting to be a transcript of SAD’s. It was proven several times on FR research threads to be a forgery because the info and dates was totally off.
There is no evidence that SAD ever lived in Seattle. There is evidence that someone named Anna Obama lived in Seattle with a baby who was several months older than the baby Zero would supposedly have been at that time.
Amazing the misinformation being prated on this thread.
Of course it will.
“In a court processing the individual presenting said certification to the court/judge must testify and/or have others testify that said certificate matches record on file and comes directly from that record on file. That is the “proving” of the birth.”
IANAL, but my understanding is that under the Federal Rules of Evidence (FRE) a BC certified by a US state DOH is “self-authenticating” and as such it is entitled to an exception to the hearsay rules so that no official must show up in court to attest to the authenticity of the document as would be the case when a subpoena duces tecum is issued for the custodian of a document to come to court with the document and be subjected to cross-examination.
But Barry’s legal team has fought tooth-and-nail NOT to ever present a self-authenticating actual certified copy of Barry’s HI LFBC in any court. This displays consciousness of LACK of said document, IMO.
Note that a BC NOT issued by a US state, such as a claimed certified Kenyan BC, is NOT self-authenticating in US court under the FRE and WOULD require authentication by authorities of the other country, IIRC.
“I believe in the principle of Occam’s razor, and therefore find it hard to get caught up in all the coverups, particularly when I find them not necessary.
“This is what I believe to be a likely scenario, and it requires no modifying of INS records, or newspaper microfiche.”
IMO your scenario wanders rather far from Occam’s razor on almost every turn and does, in fact, require successfully contesting the INS FOIA docs.
IIRC:
1. UW/UH transcripts have SADO in Russian class in the Fall of 1960.
2. INS FOIA docs in April 1961 had a U of H official informing INS that BHO Sr. has impregnated and married Stanley Ann Dunham (she is named) and that SAD is contemplating giving the baby up for adoption with the Salvation Army.
3. INS FOIA docs in August 1961 have SAD living with her parents and Baby BHO II being born and the mother planning to attend university in WA in the Fall of 1961. An early Aug. 1961 birth (wherever) would imply an early Nov. 1960 conception at a time when SAD was in Russian class at UH, not in Chicago.
4. The 1961 Polk in HI has SAD at the same address with her parents and as reported in the newspaper birth announcements that are not admissible as evidence of birth location (and might be but haven’t yet been proved in court to be forged).
I’m not seeing something in your abbreviated comments. My public copy on Obama goes back to his Illinois campaign days. He was an interesting political person even back then. Events to date have made me more interested in his background, known and/or unknown. If you have facts that help expose who Obama really is it would be a great service to the USA people to make such facts public to go with what is becoming known.
“There is no evidence that SAD ever lived in Seattle.”
The UW transcript affirms that SAD started her BA at UH in the Fall of 1960, dropped out and then started UW in the Fall of 1961 and completed that semester and also the Spring 1962 semester at UW with credits transferred from UH. Subsequent notations on her UW transcript (which an army of UW lawyers would attack WMD if it were forged) show SADOS completing her BA and MA at UH.
SADO’s UH transcript includes her credits from her year at UW thus affirming that she was there! The INS FOIA docs (never yet credibly claimed to be forged) explicitly show SAD intending to go to a university in WA in the Fall of 1961.
So we have cross-corroboration from three government document archives of the narrative that SAD went from HI to WA in the Fall of 1961 and returned to UH in the Fall of 1962.
Note again:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2913366/posts
“For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
“Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.”
“I.e. finding who the real parents are is secondary (and not relevant in a criminal case about forgery )”
Proof of BC forgery is different from proof of paternity depending on what type of proof you are talking about.
No comparison to a real doc is necessary if it can be proved that the forged BC NEVER WAS a real doc, but was, instead, entirely a cut-and-paste job!
Barry’s real parents could be SAD and BHO Sr. and the LFBC could still be a forgery. The forgery could have been made for reasons having to do, for example, with birth location, not birth parents.
If an alternative foreign BC has been found and can be authenticated under the FRE by foreign authorities it would present a challenge to the US legal system. IIRC, in Orly’s case in CA back in 2009 Judge Carter said in dicta that even if such an authenticated foreign BC was found, he would give deference to an HI BC or any US state BC (provided that an actual certified BC was submitted to his court, which it never was due to lack of discovery being ordered by him).
FOR THE RECORD
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3121028/posts?page=329#329
To: WildHighlander57
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3052914/posts?page=40#40
quote: We don’t know if she’s his real birth mother. Even Cold Case Posse investigator Mike Zullo confirms that.
I bet that that is the time SAD moved back to Hawaii from Seattle came from you, and not the CCP, who must also be very aware that the woman shown in the Seattle Polk for 1961 was named ANNA OBAMA and wasn't Stanley Ann Dunham.
She wasn't ANN S OBAMA who was also shown in the Honolulu Polk for 1961 either. You've got three women with three different names all rolled into one to try and make a mother. It doesn't work, regardless of how many fake documents you throw at it.
“Like #2, this information was aquired through Sr, it is what he told them, and they had no reason to dispute it, and simply wrote down whay he said. The INS documents stated that IF Sr tried to use the child/marriage to his benefit, then they should investigate.”
My take on the INS FOIA docs is that the investigators filling out the forms were trying to get a record of various claims about BHO Sr. without always properly sourcing those claims. Some forms are partially filled out by BHO Sr. and completed in another hand or supplemented with notes. It is not at all clear where the additional information comes from whether it was from BHO Sr. or from follow-up calls to UH or Havard officials.
I don’t read the UH or INS officials questioning whether BHO Sr. fathered BHO II. I see them as questioning whether there was a sham marriage, given his prior record of having a Kenyan wife. A sham marriage to gain a green card is illegal and always on the radar of the INS (to this day) whereas impregnating a co-ed and entering into a bigamous was not (could not justify expulsion of a foreign student)! In other words, it was only illegal if BHO Sr. had tried to use the marriage for a green card.
I note that Barr has not endorsed Sheriff's Arpaio's findings. Let Bob Barr go on record as publicly challenging Soetoro's paperwork and then we should talk further.
“I note that Barr has not endorsed Sheriff’s Arpaio’s findings.”
IMO, Barr will have correctly anticipated that his opponents, both GOP-e and Dem will leap to accuse Barr of a de facto endorsement of Sheriff Arpaio’s previous findings. So Barr will have known that he might just as well have endorsed the prior finding as well as the not-yet-announced findings.
It all depends on the case
But you are correct in most situations. It’s only if the case is questioning the authenticity of the document or material on the document that all the proving must be done. It would apply to O. But you are right his lawyers are trying not to jeopardize themselves
Carp, Baby, that is precisely my point. The Barr weasel wants the best of both worlds. If he has the stones, let him display them in public and let the chips fall where they may. This has been the problem with this damned "identity" thing all along. That is, all those in power know the Emperor Has No Clothes, but are loathe to say so. Bob Barr ain't got a thing to lose, and still he's afraid to proclaim the facts.
Speak for yourself, Bob.
The transcript has been shown to be false
It’s very interesting why several are clinging to the idea that the scenario written by Ayers in “Dreams” is true.
I wonder why such clinging.
This sudden flurry of odd comments remind me of something.
This.
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