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True Nature of Survival
SHTF School ^ | 2/21/14 | Selco

Posted on 02/21/2014 7:14:27 PM PST by Kartographer

In that short period before s. hit the fan with full force, people usually lost their lives because they did not recognize situation.

People were out rioting, stealing, fighting. But all that was still like “moderate”.

At that moment people still were “inside” the system, so we all were trying to hide more or less when looting was going on in neighborhood. Police were still arresting people and trying to control things. People were shooting each other yes, but it was not yet like full scale shooting and violence, mostly people were scaring each other with shootings.

One of my friends was involved in shootings in those days, after looting some stores, he got wounded. Wound was not too dangerous, he was shot in foot.

As I said, most of the city services were still working and trying to bring order to that chaos. City ambulances came and picked him up and they rushed to hospital with him.

About one kilometer from place where he got picked up, the group of people that actually shot him stopped the ambulance on some improvised barricade, first shot the driver and then killed my friend in the back of the ambulance. They killed him little bit slower than driver, and more painfully, they used knives. We got there a bit later, too late.

Now this story may sound confusing to you, you may say “it happens in war” but for 95% of folks at that time it was not war, it was something like violent rioting, and those 95% of folks still trusted the system, had trust in police and government that they are going to restore law and order. People still trusted that ambulances are like “protected” and nobody will stop them, not to mention shoot at one.

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To: raybbr
Whoops! I linked the wrong one. This STX model has 800W and timer.
21 posted on 02/22/2014 5:37:20 AM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: raybbr

I have that Excalibur. The fan at the back has several advantages. You don’t need to rotate the shelves and food or liquid won’t fall in the motor. I really like mine.


22 posted on 02/22/2014 5:38:20 AM PST by goosie
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To: raybbr

The STX looks good.

I just checked e-Bay and they are about $150 there.


23 posted on 02/22/2014 5:47:45 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: raybbr

All of my friends have dehydrators kind of like that one. Some of my friends even have odd dehydrators they picked up at yard sales for $5. They all seem to work well. Because I always need a Huge dehydrator, my first one was homemade, totally out of wood. The one I have now is 100% stainless steel (even the trays). It is the largest one available from Sausage Maker tm. A hint: most of us made or purchased unbleached muslim napkins to line the bottom of our trays. Instead of working hard washing your trays between batches, you just toss the muslim napkins into the washing machine.


24 posted on 02/22/2014 6:13:58 AM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: raybbr; All

I have no experince with Excalibur I use a Nessco, but I’ve seen post by fellow FReepers who do use Excalibur.

Excalibur owners your thoughts?


25 posted on 02/22/2014 6:20:26 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Thanks Kart. Wife and I bought each other non-traditional wedding anniversary gifts. I got a berkey clear water filter system and she got a rocket stove. Both of us are elated. For her birthday, She wants an ANPVS-14 for her AR.


26 posted on 02/22/2014 7:02:54 AM PST by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: SisterK
Thanks for posting the tip about the muslim nappies.


27 posted on 02/22/2014 9:38:21 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: Kartographer

Our own government is trying to disarm us. Thus far the Constitution has prevented this (just barely), but we are losing this fight. The time is coming when the government itself will come for our guns, and label those of us who resist as criminals and/or terrorists.

If you are not yet armed, by all means do so now. When you do, you will find the ammunition you need is literally ten times (or more) expensive than it was six years ago, and you may have trouble even finding it.

PARTIAL SOLUTION: Consider air guns for practice purposes and small game hunting. The cost is still within reach, and the quality is outstanding. Given the problems with ammunition cost and supply, some web sites that used to sell only firearm ammunition are now advertising pellet guns as an affordable alternative for practice and small game hunting purposes.

A high quality pellet rifle costs less than a medium quality hunting rifle and is more accurate. Ammunition is still plentiful and cheap although there are a few spot shortages.

Side Note: Air guns are not considered firearms. Hence they can use built in noise suppression. Many are quiet enough that the neighbors will not even hear them.


28 posted on 02/22/2014 10:07:08 AM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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To: bgill

“Looters deserve what they get. Same for those who don’t get the heck away when a crowd starts to form.”

Kinda hard to peaceable assemble that way.


29 posted on 02/22/2014 11:23:24 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Iron Munro
Thanks for pointing out my grievous error.
MUSLIN
sometimes i am a dork
30 posted on 02/22/2014 2:14:49 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: SisterK

It happens to us all....

I still appreciate the tip.

It’s the sort of thing that makes you think “Of course! Why didn’t I think of that?”


31 posted on 02/22/2014 3:45:50 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." - Lavrentiy Beria (& Eric Holder))
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To: EternalHope

Are BB guns any good for small game hunting? I inherited one from my grandfather last year. It freaks my dad out because it’s shaped like a rifle. I’d like to get some use out of it other than plinking cans.


32 posted on 02/22/2014 9:42:05 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: SisterK

How do you keep the food from gluing itself to the muslin? Or is it just for foods that don’t glue themselves as they dry?


33 posted on 02/22/2014 9:44:00 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Ellendra

BB guns are generally not powerful enough for hunting small game. If you are a good enough shot you can kill small pests with them, but a more humane choice would be a pellet rifle.

BB guns are excellent for practice. The cost is very low, and plinking can be fun. “Killing” cans is teaching a skill at the same time.

Once you move up to pellet rifles you have a lot more choices and a lot more power to work with. Some can reliably take down a coyote, and the most powerful can take down a deer.


34 posted on 02/22/2014 10:37:04 PM PST by EternalHope (Be ready.)
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To: Ellendra

I use the napkins for ALL foods. The ones with high sugar do glue to the napkins, just as they would glue to the racks. But, food is a lot easier to peel off the napkins than the racks (some lint might come off the first go round, but then the napkins get slicker and slicker). I started doing the napkin thing because the racks on my dehydrator are so big, they are a pain in the behind to wash, I bought a special tub just to wash them. Also, I remove more water from my food than commercial operations: I have blueberries 8 years old and just as good as new. I would not trust commercially dried blueberries to last that long.


35 posted on 02/23/2014 5:36:57 AM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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To: EternalHope

Thanks, I’m putting a pellet gun on my wishlist now :) I definitely need something quieter than my “real” guns. Hyperacusis is great for locating game, but horrible for shooting!


36 posted on 02/23/2014 11:39:49 AM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: SisterK

One of my favorite treats is candied fruit. Simmer in a sugar syrup, let it soak in the syrup for a few days (you can make the syrup progressively stronger if you want), then dehydrate. Very tasty, but I have to use the fruit roll-up tray.

It started as a way to show my nephew what “sugarplums” were, and kind of grew from there. I wasn’t able to make any this Christmas because my dehydrator conked out.


37 posted on 02/23/2014 11:44:38 AM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Ellendra
You can use some silicone sheets instead of muslin
Or you can use baking 'parchment paper'
or use the muslim nappies alone
I dont like 'rapeseed products' like PAM or canola products which have a high smoke tolerance, and are non-stick lubricants,
as the by-products and chemical changes to canolaunder high heat remain unknown .
38 posted on 02/23/2014 1:35:37 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

I did try parchment paper, the juices soaked through it and then dried so solid I had to soak it in water to get it off the fruit.

Silicone sheets is a good idea. I’ll watch for some on sale.

After I get a new dehydrator, of course. No point in cutting them to fit the broken one :)


39 posted on 02/23/2014 1:57:15 PM PST by Ellendra ("Laws were most numerous when the Commonwealth was most corrupt." -Tacitus)
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To: Ellendra

I would probably enjoy your candied fruit. I love all fruit prepared any ol way.


40 posted on 02/23/2014 2:50:22 PM PST by SisterK (behold a pale horse)
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