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Cigarette Smuggling Still Rampant in Michigan, Nation
Capitol Confidential ^ | 3/3/2014 | Michael LaFaive

Posted on 03/04/2014 8:58:58 AM PST by MichCapCon

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1 posted on 03/04/2014 8:58:58 AM PST by MichCapCon
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Strangely the smuggling is worst where the tax on tobacco is high.

Surely they couldn’t be connected?


2 posted on 03/04/2014 9:02:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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I thought Axel Foley stopped this.


3 posted on 03/04/2014 9:02:28 AM PST by dfwgator
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Michigan lottery, gambling and cigs taxes plummet, Gov. Granholm says decline is "breathtaking".(2009)
4 posted on 03/04/2014 9:06:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Smuggling Cigarettes from Kentucky (Marlboro $40-45 a carton) to Chicago ($95+ a carton) used to be BIG business. It was even bigger before Kentucky added a big tax. Any given Saturday the number of cars on US 41 with trunkloads of cigs is crazy.

The biker gangs run them out of North Carolina by the truckload, where they are even cheaper.


5 posted on 03/04/2014 9:17:28 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: MichCapCon
The taxes on cigarettes amount to legal prohibition. It is an unfair tax and half the stats are absurd.

No longer do they ask you where it hurts first....they ask you if you smoke, have smoked, lived with people who smoked...and then they ask if you own a gun.

6 posted on 03/04/2014 9:19:23 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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In Chicago on some trucking docks you can get them for $20.00.


7 posted on 03/04/2014 9:23:36 AM PST by Vaduz
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NY is the top smuggling state. Hooray...we win!! Sounds like maybe correlation with amount of tax.

I'm so sick of the government telling me what to smoke, what to eat, what to drink, how many hours to sleep, how much exercise to get, to love gays, that climate change is my fault, etc etc

8 posted on 03/04/2014 9:25:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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A similar thing happens with beverage containers. Michigan gives a $.10 refund for a beverage container. Take four cases of empty beer cans across from Indiana, come home with a free case of beer compliments of Michigan taxpayers.


9 posted on 03/04/2014 9:25:41 AM PST by IamConservative (Damn that groundhog!)
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About $70 in just about any biker bar in Chicago, and that is still dirt cheap.

Big taxes encourage tax avoidance.


10 posted on 03/04/2014 9:27:24 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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I was on Tortola, British Virgin Islands, the other day. Packs of Marlboro Lights were $1.75.

Probably a better smuggling opportunity than drugs!!!


11 posted on 03/04/2014 9:28:47 AM PST by Bartholomew Roberts
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Big taxes encourage tax avoidance.
AMEN


12 posted on 03/04/2014 9:30:57 AM PST by Vaduz
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Take four cases of empty beer cans across from Indiana, come home with a free case of beer compliments of Michigan taxpayers.

Only if you can find a place that will take your word for it. Most places have automatic counters that won't count or will toss out the out of state cans and bottles.
13 posted on 03/04/2014 9:31:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Not that I condone illegal activities, but if I still lived back east I might be making good money running smokes into NYC. Again, not I condone such activities.... but a properly loaded vehicle could make somebody good money on a two day trip.
I remember when I was a young man living in CT, making a run to Carolina every now and again.... they have some good fishing down there, and rumor has it that the cigarette taxes were nearly nothing.....I really wouldn’t know....


14 posted on 03/04/2014 10:06:35 AM PST by Tracker47
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As far back as the ‘60’s when the tax was nowhere near what it is today one of my neighbors made regular runs to (I think South Carolina) and brought back hundreds of cartons that he resold. As I recall, he did it in his car as he didn’t own a truck.

If it made financial sense for an individual then think of what it means now. Taxes are like prohibition, turning “honest” people into criminals. *Honest, not performing any other criminal acts except not paying absurd taxes on their vices.


15 posted on 03/04/2014 10:06:44 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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I'm so sick of the government telling me what to smoke, what to eat, what to drink, how many hours to sleep, how much exercise to get, to love gays, that climate change is my fault, etc etc

Except when it's a vice you don't approve of, apparently =>

We know it sc**** with your head. It’s all about making money via the tax. What a surprise. Scr** the general populous....and your kids....and their kids.

16 posted on 03/04/2014 10:25:22 AM PST by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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“Only if you can find a place that will take your word for it. Most places have automatic counters that won’t count or will toss out the out of state cans and bottles”

I’ve bought cans here in NY that say “MI - 10 cents”.

Are you saying I wouldn’t be able to get a refund in Michigan if I bought them in NY? How would they know?


17 posted on 03/04/2014 10:38:12 AM PST by varyouga
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Anyone who didn’t see a black market developing is pretty naive, I think.


18 posted on 03/04/2014 10:39:33 AM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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Need to increase the federal tobacco tax which will reduce the arbitrage between states.


19 posted on 03/04/2014 10:43:22 AM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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I’ve bought cans here in NY that say “MI - 10 cents”.

There is some reciprocity there. Just looking at a bottle and it says "ME-VT-CT-NY-MA-OR-IA-HI 5¢, MI 10¢". If you turn a Michigan bottle in at a NY store they give you a nickle and if you turn the same bottle in in a Michigan store they give you a dime. Again, the auto counters make the adjustments because the bar code tells the machine where the bottle is from.
20 posted on 03/04/2014 10:56:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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