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Is College A Waste Of Time And Money?
TEC ^ | 03/29/2014 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 03/30/2014 6:42:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: ClearCase_guy

“We need more on-the-job training. We need more apprenticeships. We need more respect for craftsmanship.”

I agree 100%. IMHO, one of the best things we could do in our high schools is to create partnerships with local businesses for apprenticeship programs (maybe some schools already do, but the ones near me sure don’t). Not just for trades, but clerical work, and maybe certain professional careers like web design. Give the student a chance to learn the ropes of chosen field, and teach them some real-world responsibility in the process.


21 posted on 03/30/2014 7:32:55 PM PDT by DemforBush (The scourge of mariachis and polka bands everywhere.)
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To: SeekAndFind
government involvement in colleges is ruining them like gov does everything . other examples of gov ruining everything: the government public grammer schools, housing projects, obamacare, N korea , cuba etc.
22 posted on 03/30/2014 7:43:04 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: OldPossum

“The author is a bit of a hypocrite for not crediting his college education with being able to think critically and write well.”

So, you think that he learned that in college...I’ll bet that he was essentially that capable in high school.

The most important things that I learned in college were only indirectly related to the classes.


23 posted on 03/30/2014 7:50:38 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: SeekAndFind

The University system is pretty amazing. Can you name another business model that involves requiring years from the customer’s life and maybe 100’s of thousands of his dollars and the FIRST thing you tell him is:

“You are an imperialist, a potential rapist, and we advise you to kill your parents.”

Ever hear a car-rental agency tell that to folks walking through the door? How about a steak house? WalMart?

But it’s quite common not only for Universities to do that but in the process they consider themselves highly dignified for it.

OK well lessay your customer puts up with all that for 4 years and he defaults on his debt —he can screw you by going bankrupt, right?

NOPE!

Student debt is not dischargeable via bankrupty, and many since many colleges OWN the collection agency charged with hounding you FOREVER in fact they often HOPE you default.

They are granted levels of consideration far and above those accorded to the businesses they accuse of greed and exploitation of others.


24 posted on 03/30/2014 8:00:37 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: KC Burke

Not a bad idea but let me inject a little bit of reality that makes any engineering program a challenge as a part-time adult student. At a minimum, you have to go into it knowing the choices to be made to successfully complete the program.

The biggest hurdle occurs in the senior year and is known as the senior capstone project. This is at least a one-semester undertaking, sometimes two semesters. The student project groups work with people in industry on real projects that require real solutions. This means you will have to attend meetings and conduct project work on regular business hours. This can be a hurdle for students that have daytime jobs while attending evening classes. Thus, the need to be aware of choices that students will have to make to succeed in the program. It’s not impossible for a focused and dedicated student but they should go into the process with their eyes open.


25 posted on 03/30/2014 8:01:01 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The UK has a “gap year” program, when students take the year to work in the real world or volunteer, or generally to use their time as other than a student and to mature. We might think of having something like that here. Too many go to college because it’s expected and what their friends are doing.


26 posted on 03/30/2014 8:01:24 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: SeekAndFind

Mike Rowe’s efforts to promote the skilled trades, where you learn a valuable skill in six months to two years, is admirable. It is also a better option for millions of young adults over trying and failing college level work.


27 posted on 03/30/2014 8:10:36 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: The Antiyuppie

Oh, sure, it’s possible that he could have picked those skills up outside college. I’ve seen those people, few, to be sure, but they’re around.

BTW, what years were you in college?


28 posted on 03/30/2014 8:17:45 PM PDT by OldPossum ("It's" is the contraction of "it" and "is"; think about ITS implications.)
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To: T-Bird45

I agree that there would come a time in most programs where you would have to take a semester or nine months off work entirely and tackle the toughest portion of your degree program.

I think that would also allow you to orient your major final courses toward your particular expected final field of employment and expertise.. Central Plant, power generation, process plant work, new commercial construction and the whole variety would be laid out for your choice.

I have had some fine young engineers that went right into construction with good success — but I am focused on the issue of debt and making an opportunity to have what ever you learn in underclassman courses directly apply.


29 posted on 03/30/2014 8:23:41 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: SeekAndFind
College used to be intended to educate adults in the knowledge and skills needed to be a responsible free citizens. Sometime, around the sixties probably, it shifted to a program of training skills needed for a profession or occupation.

Then sometime in the nineties it became a substitute for independent adulthood and the waning expectation of making one's own way. Now it is baby sitting, unless you choose a course of study which will prepare marketable skills.

The fact that 30% of adults still live with mommy and daddy is a compelling statement on the decline of the culture at large. Italy, here we come.

30 posted on 03/30/2014 9:05:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind

I imagine if one majors in one of those applied science majors, like engineering, obtaining a college degree is well worth the trouble.


31 posted on 03/30/2014 9:10:40 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: SeekAndFind

Money racket. Living near one of the biggest colleges in the nation “Penn State” I see that most of those going to college there are in debt for years. Lots of them have degrees but are not working in that field. We need more reality in this system. This campus is under the microscope with what has happened with its liberal agenda. Under Spanier it went deep end with its advancement of promoting the agendas that have nothing to do with education. Being that of pushing the alternative life styles and we all know what happened with the Sandusky crap. It was all done while preaching how great it was to have sexual freedoms and rights to entertain them, Like Sex Fair, C*nt fest and promoting Homosexuality. Twisting the minds of the youths while true education took a back seat.


32 posted on 03/30/2014 9:30:23 PM PDT by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: Fishing-guy

Being an engineer I am in total agreement with you. The roi of a degree like this is incredible.


33 posted on 03/30/2014 9:32:20 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I preach to my sons that a plumber charges fifty dollars to answer his own phone and a plumbing business is a good way to make a living.

Also electricians, particularly linemen are in great need.

Nothing wrong with a technology skill and the tens of thousands of dollars I spent on my college degree was pretty wasteful and I am even able to get jobs with it.


34 posted on 03/30/2014 9:50:24 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: OldPossum

It used to be that a standard high school diploma meant that you could critically write well. At least well enough to be understood.


35 posted on 03/30/2014 9:55:00 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: OldPossum

“BTW, what years were you in college?”

Well, let’s just say considerably before Womyns’ Studies - schools (at all levels) were considerably more rigorous then.


36 posted on 03/30/2014 9:59:02 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Tau Food
Not necessarily. Those that never went to college include those that never completed high school or never received any training beyond the basic diploma.

I would be interested in seeing a study that focused on the earnings of persons that go into a journeyman trade course versus those that go to a standard liberal arts degree. I have a suspicion that the trades actually have a higher earnings over a lifetime. Particularly when the cost of schooling, loans, and lost work opportunities are factored in.

37 posted on 03/30/2014 10:01:14 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: OldPossum
The author is a bit of a hypocrite for not crediting his college education with being able to think critically and write well.

Agreed, according to this article even the degrees with the worst return, still have a decent return.

8 college degrees with the worst return on investment

38 posted on 03/30/2014 11:08:04 PM PDT by DannyTN ( .)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yeah, pretty much. The only people getting an education are those in fields related to science, math, chemistry, and engineering. Here you have to learn something and be able to demonstrate that knowledge in practical ways. The pseudo social sciences and “studies” departments are useless fluff courses. Ditto collegiate athletic programs.
39 posted on 03/31/2014 1:13:33 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: SeekAndFind

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40 posted on 03/31/2014 1:25:36 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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