Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

‘Special Ed’ Schultz: ‘Gay People Were Really the Ones Persecuted in Hitler’s Germany’
Jammie Wearing Fools blog ^ | May 13, 2014 | Jammie

Posted on 05/13/2014 8:32:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

His only defense to this unbridled lunacy may be the Anthony Weiner defense that he was hacked. What kind of sick mind comes up with this lunacy?

An estimated 6 million Jews were murdered during the holocaust. Another 5 million were murdered- these people consisted of homosexuals, blacks, gypsies, mentally and physically disabled and various others who were considered enemies of the state.

Though it is important to remain mindful that the holocaust was not exclusively an elimination of Jews and honor all the victim’s of Hitler’s regime, for Schultz to purposefully skew history in this way is unacceptable and, frankly, too-closely akin to holocaust denial.

The question now is: Will the left call Schultz on his behavior? Or will they sweep it under the rug as they so often do for liberals?

They’ll ignore it. Presumably he was on a screed against the right for their “homophobia” or whatever:

Ed Schultz ✔ @edshow

The @nfl drafts its first openly gay athlete and
conservative media freaks out. http://bit.ly/RAHwG9
Leave #edshow a tweet to share on TV!

4:45 PM - 12 May 2014

22 Retweets 13 favorites

So if you disagree with this nutcase, hey, you’re just like Hitler!

“Louie is a little short on his Nazi history. Gay people were really the ones being persecuted in Hitler’s Germany,” the host stated, his emphasis heavily on the phrase “really the ones being persecuted.” Schultz continued to cite the United States Holocaust Museum’s statistics assessing the victims at between 5,000 and 15,000 gay men who were interned in concentration camps where, according to many survivor accounts, they were among the most abused, a point the host likewise emphasized. Really the ones, most abused … most historians place the number Jews murdered by the Nazis at around 6 million, and the suffering and injustices suffered there by all the victims are uncountable.

If MSNBC has a shred of integrity this guy would have been fired by now.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics; Religion; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-60 last
To: Bidimus1

Rohm was pretty much a Communist. He advocated Nationalization of all German industry and executing the Industrialists.

Hitler was actually a fairly pragmatic man at that point....He understood he needed the industrialists to build his war machine, and they would not support Hitler until folks like Rohm were out of the picture. Also the Wehrmacht would not support Hitler, until Rohm, who advocated replacing the Military with the SA, was gone.

It wasn’t personal, it was strictly business.


41 posted on 05/13/2014 10:24:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: EQAndyBuzz
As long as people can organize and fight back, the government cannot persecute. We saw it in Nevada. They are clueless as to what to do when we the people organize.

Lovely notion, but a delusion.

The BLM backed down in NV because they didn't want to look bad.

The Nazis, at least after the war started, couldn't have cared less if they looked bad. Armed resistance against them would simply have resulted in their bringing in additional forces to crush the "revolt."

That doesn't mean that such resistance isn't sometimes the right and moral thing to do, but a few civilians could not have taken on the Wehrmacht and SS and survived, much less won.

One can (sometimes) hit and run successfully in such situations. One simply cannot stand and fight. Unless you want to die. And probably your whole family, the neighbors, etc.

"We the people." Another problem in Germany was that "we the people" supported Hitler. It's generally conceded that by 38/39 he had somewhere between 80% and 90% of the German people behind him, possibly even over 90%.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth-how-hitler-won-over-the-german-people-a-531909.html

42 posted on 05/13/2014 10:27:31 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

How did the Nazi’s know they were gay?

By their names?

Couldn’t the gays just blend in, maybe even join the Nazi’s?


43 posted on 05/13/2014 10:30:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'I never said that you can keep your doctor . Republicans lie about me ')
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sickoflibs

44 posted on 05/13/2014 10:32:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve turned the tables on people pushing “the agenda” on me. I listen thoughtfully and then say: “So you are a practicing homesexual?”

It’s quite entertaining to see the reactions. You can almost hear the fuses blowing when the cognitive dissonance goes to full nuclear.

Just make sure you have an exit prepared in case someone answers yes.


45 posted on 05/13/2014 10:35:08 AM PDT by IamConservative
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

To your points. 80-90%. That was the Nationalism part. In Nazi Germany, we the people couldn’t fight. They took the guns.


46 posted on 05/13/2014 10:45:55 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary"S)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: EQAndyBuzz
If 80% to 90%, or more, of the people are on your side, who are "the people" who might be interested in fighting?

As far as the Nazis "disarming the people," the story is a good bit more complex than that.

In 1919 and 1920 the Weimar Republic, long before the Nazis got going, passed strict gun control laws, banning all private possession of firearms.

In 1928 the Weimar Republic greatly reduced these restrictions, but put in place strict registration and licensing requirements.

This law remained in effect under the Nazis till 1938, when the Nazis passed a law making guns much more easily available to the people. It completely deregulated possession and transfer of long guns.

Jews were, of course, generally prohibited from possessing guns.

IOW, the common idea around here that the Nazis came into power in a well-armed country, confiscated all privately-owned firearms, and only then launched into their atrocities, is just not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany#The_1919_Treaty_of_Versailles

It should be noted, of course, that Germany under the Nazis did not have real rule of law. The whims of officials were usually more critical than what the actual law might say.

47 posted on 05/13/2014 11:05:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: unlearner
This is why the Old and New Testaments of the Bible both condemn homosexual acts as deserving the death penalty.

OT, yes.

The NT points out that those practicing such things will not inherit the kingdom, along with those practicing a host of other sins. It does not recommend the death penalty for doing so. Those are two very different things.

In fact, I don't think the NT ever tries to prescribe the death penalty, imposed by a secular government, for any sin. Not that I can remember, anyway. The NT was written by men who were an itsy-bitsy and often persecuted minority in the empire. They, for fairly obvious reasons, don't seem to have thought it their duty to recommend laws to the rulers.

48 posted on 05/13/2014 11:12:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

I pretty much agree with your description of the NT and OT views on civil govt.

John 18:36 comes to mind rather quicly too.

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm. (NASB)


49 posted on 05/13/2014 11:35:48 AM PDT by Bidimus1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Bidimus1

I find it interesting that many Biblical condemnations of homosexual behavior are embedded in lists of other sins that we often don’t denounce with such enthusiasm.

Generally right in the middle of the list, implying that the sinfulness is of a caliber with the other sins listed, not more or less.


50 posted on 05/13/2014 11:39:22 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator
Rohm was pretty much a Communist.

Not really.

Communists are International Socialists.

Rohm was a National Socialist. (What a shock.)

Communists are merely one branch of the much larger socialist tree. Nazis are another.

51 posted on 05/13/2014 11:41:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

Distinction without a difference.

The Nazis were every bit as expansionist in spreading their political system as the Russians were, even to puppet states, like Slovakia, Hungary and Romania.


52 posted on 05/13/2014 11:44:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even if only one homosexual died in the Holocaust, the left would still believe this.


53 posted on 05/13/2014 12:01:28 PM PDT by DPMD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

It’s a distinction of enormous difference.

The entire raison d’etre of International Socialism is to get “the workers of the world” to unite and overthrow the capitalist system, ushering in a world of peace and plenty for all. The survivors, that is.

OTOH, the purpose of National Socialism is to band the Nation together to dominate over other nations. In the Nazi variety adding idiotic and unscientific racial theories to their ideology.

The Nazis made no particular attempt to force satellite states to adopt Nazi or fascist systems. They just didn’t care about such things, as long as their satellites were subservient.

Ambitious men in those states generally pushed for them, on the not unreasonable view at the time that fascism was the wave of the future.


54 posted on 05/13/2014 12:12:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 52 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

“Workers of all lands, unite — to smash the rule of English capitalism! You young upward-striving nations of the earth, combine to annihilate the old English dragon who blocks the treasures of the earth and withholds from you the riches of the world.” - Robert Ley, Head of the German Labor Front


55 posted on 05/13/2014 12:17:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

Never said the Nazis didn’t have those who used such left-wing rhetoric.

Only that they weren’t at the core of Nazi ideology, which was aimed not at establishing perfect human equality, like International Socialism was (or claimed to be), but rather at establishing the 1000 Year Reich of German/Aryan domination over the rest of humanity.

Those are utterly incompatible goals.


56 posted on 05/13/2014 12:23:17 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who knew the small Jewish children and babies who were thrown by the Nazis on top of the adults in the gas chambers because they were packed in like sardines were gay?


57 posted on 05/13/2014 2:51:41 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HenpeckedCon

That’s what you get for not garnering all of your information from MSNBC.


58 posted on 05/13/2014 2:54:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: 2ndDivisionVet
That's because I'm a “hater” 2DV. I only watch “Faux News”. Former 12 Bravo here, isn't “Army intelligence” a contradiction in terms?
59 posted on 05/13/2014 3:29:12 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 58 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan; Bidimus1

“The NT... does not recommend the death penalty for doing so.”

What I said was that both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible say that those who engage in homosexual sex acts deserve death. You are free to argue that ALL sin has death as the ultimate outcome, but my point still stands that homosexual sex is specifically mentioned in both sections of the Bible as deserving the death penalty.

Grace becomes meaningless when the concepts of right, wrong and the righteous judgment of God are thrown out the window. There are those who think that the moral standards of the Law of Moses were revoked in the New Testament. That is not what it means by describing believers as not being under the Law but under grace. In fact, Jesus taught that our righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the religious law teachers of that generation. Those who are not transformed by grace ARE still condemned by the Law. (See Romans 3:19.)

Notice that the Law of Moses, in some cases, addressed the moral conduct of those who were not obligated to follow the ceremonial aspects of the Law. God said He was driving out the inhabitants of Canaan because of their wickedness, and He named some specific practices for which this judgment happened. Among them is homosexual sex. (See Leviticus 18:22-29.)

Jesus affirmed the judgment against Sodom. He said He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. He specifically mentioned the lack of repentance of Sodom that led to its destruction and also future judgment. (See Matthew 11:20-24.) Jesus also specifically named fornication as a sin, which includes homosexual sex. (I will also mention here that Jesus taught that there were sins far worse than the sin of Sodom, but this is not a justification for this sin being small, insignificant, or unimportant. It is called an abomination for a reason.)

The apostles also taught that it is a serious offence and deserves death as a consequence. It is also clear that God granted human government that authority to take a life when the death penalty is warranted. (See Romans 13:4.)

Romans 1:26-32 (partial)

For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due... who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

As you and others have pointed out, there are many other sins which modern Christians trivialize, which also are listed among the serious offenses. This, however, does not negate the fact that homosexual sex is specifically included in the lists of sins which deserve death.

Fortunately for all of us, God does offer mercy. It is extremely important though to understand that God does not accept or wink at this behavior. He has made it exceedingly clear that it is an abomination, those who engage in it are a threat to civilization and are enemies of God, and those who do not come to agreement with God about the severity of their sin problem and cry out to Him for mercy will not only have physical death as a consequence of sin but also eternal judgment in the lake of fire.

I am not advocating a futile attempt to transform homosexuals to Christians by passing laws restraining or punishing this behavior. If laws could do this, then the Law of Moses would be sufficient. What I am saying is that Christians need to be aware of the severity of this (and all) sin, and take a stand for what is right. We must preach against sin because it is an understanding of sin that allows people to understand the Gospel and our need of salvation.

We cannot mix Law and Grace. Those who are proud and stubborn, refusing to acknowledge their sin, must understand they are under the condemnation of God’s righteous Laws. Only when a person understands this are they properly able to understand the Gospel and God’s grace.

We do not have to quote the Bible to homosexuals or homosexual advocates though. It is possible to argue from a purely secular perspective that homosexual behavior is self-destructive, harms the family and loved ones of those who engage in it, and harms society in general. Consequently, it is important to prevent or correct this behavior.


60 posted on 05/14/2014 1:06:02 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-60 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson