Posted on 09/11/2014 12:26:24 PM PDT by Pyro7480
...We learn of a Maronite Christian seeking a liaison with Hezbollah and it sounds horrifically bad until you realize the purpose is to work together to fight ISIS, for instance. Her descriptive language for the various Christian leaders...suggests a lack of intimacy with the topic....
...When Cruz was supposed to give the keynote address and discuss the deadly serious topic of persecution of Christians, he instead insulted a largely immigrant and foreign crowd as a group that didn’t understand their own political situation and stomped out of the room after calling them a bunch of haters....
The fact is, as Mark Tooley explains in a very thoughtful and balanced piece, that Christians who are persecuted have political views that may not align with U.S. interests. Who knew? For many of us, our concern about genocide of Christians isn’t limited to those who are perfectly aligned with our views. Someone will have to explain to me how positioning Cruz and the Free Beacon this way — as the go-to group for missing the point on Christian persecution — is a good thing for either of them or the military solutions they seek....
While the case absolutely can and should be made that support for Israel does help the fight against Christian persecution, it would be naive and wrong for Christians to think that the United States has their interests at heart globally (or domestically, it seems!). And the United States has no governmental obligation to help out the Christians who are dying in the Middle East, although it would be wonderful if we could stop doing things that lead so quickly to their persecution. But I do wonder if some hawks misunderstand or underestimate American Christian sentiment about our brothers and sisters in Christ at their peril.
(Excerpt) Read more at thefederalist.com ...
Sirhan Sirhan is a Christian.
Plenty of Christians over there have been unfortunately brainwashed to hate Jews.
Great post, familyop!
This type of spirit of Sanballat and Tobiah is here even today.
then Sanballat and Geshem sent a message to me, saying, “Come, let us meet together at Chephirim in the plain of Ono.” But they were planning to harm me.
They may sound reasonable and normal. However, they plot wickedness. They hatred toward the jewish people is irrational and a lot of times reckless and brutally violent like Haman in the book of Esther.
They have said, “Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation, That the name of Israel be remembered no more.”-Psalm 83:4 (NASB
I and my household stand with the nation of Israel. Not because they are righteous or more wonderful than others - they are flawed like the rest of us. However, the jewish people have a special place in the heart of my Lord God. How can I then but not stand with them? God still holds his part of the covenant to their forefathers, even though many of them have turned their backs on the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. My messiah is jewish, and He still loves His people.
Thank you, SoConPubbie. I thought that Cruz gave a wonderful speech. I will pray that he will be our next president.
Yes.
Agreed. I really believe that if constitutional conservative values are articulated, we win. Ted Cruz does that magnificently.
But foreign policy? I'd like to hear a well thought out conservative foreign policy that strives to undo the damage that has been done. I don't see why anyone, either party, would be enthusiastic about supporting a policy now. It's all such a mess.
I read the transcript and listened to the tape.
I want some of that!
Looks like you already have it. You start out, "He called out the hecklers for the Hate they were expressing and he did it from a factual position," like you know what was in their hearts and his head.
Everybody interprets in cases like this. I interpret. You interpret. It's unavoidable. And interpretations will differ. I was trying to relate my understanding of what I heard on the recording.
The audience applauded at the start when he said “Tonight, we are all united in defense of Christians. Tonight, we are all united in defense of Jews.” They weren't booing or hating then.
When Cruz said “Christians have no greater ally than Israel,” and got a smattering of boos he started talking about "this room" not accepting that and things went down hill from there.
No.
You are presumably talking about political Zionism. Is it really so surprising that Christian Arabs wouldn't have been in favor of that?
Then you don't know very much about the Middle East.
Israel is no friend of Christians. It may not be a viscous enemy like most Muslim states, but it is no friend. In the Middle East, except in Lebanon (and not everywhere there) and the parts of Syria still controlled by the Assad regime, Christians face either the hard murderous persecution of resurgent Islam or the light persecution of being spat at in the street, having people cross the street when they approach, and being roughed up on the way home from Pascha (Easter for you Westerners) service by soldiers in Israel.
The title of this article is a POS.
You’re not the only one who understands that. Arab Christians have little reason to love the nation of Israel. Cruz is not ready for prime-time if he makes remarks that he should have know would alienate his audience. He’s a very smart guy; I’m surprised he messed up like this.
There are a lot of our fellow Freepers who don’t see the reality of the ME mess. Few love Israel as we Americans do. I’ve been to Muslim countries and have Lebanese Christian friends. Life there is hellish because of the Mohammedans. And for many Christians, Israel has not helped matters.
I’m a Cruz fan too (not for POTUS, however). He’s brilliant, but not on his best that night. The article that was posted was very biased against him, especially the title. But Cruz did walk into it.
Middle Eastern (and Latin and Byzantine) chrstianity [sic] has always been adamantly opposed to any Jewish return to the ancient homeland.
You are presumably talking about political Zionism. Is it really so surprising that Christian Arabs wouldn't have been in favor of that?
I don't know what you're arguing with me about. I just posted that aside from American-style Fundamentalist Protestantism, the whole chrstian world is and always has been opposed to "political Zionism" (a favorite phrase of Willis Carto-type anti-Semites). Just how did you read my post (if you in fact read it) and come to the conclusion that I wasn't aware of this or that it surprised me in the least?
Go to almost any traditional Catholic/Orthodox site online and you'll read all about the "Judaeo-Masonic conspiracy." The ancient historic chrstian religion holds that Israel rebelled against G-d when they continued to observe the Torah they had been observing for a thousand years rather than switching to a completely new liturgical religion with its own ritual, ceremonial, and calendar. Any attempt to restore Jewish sovereignty to the Holy Land is regarded as anti-chrstian, an attempt to bring about the reign of "antichrist" (ie, a literal anointed king who fulfills the messianic prophecies literally) and even a plot to rule the world.
Listen, pal . . . I was born a simple Bible Belt Fundie with a Bible Belt Fundie's assumptions, but I got shook out of them a long time ago. I have learned that chrstianity is nothing like what I had always thought it was. By Fundamentalist Protestant standards, the notion of a non-literal "messiah" who "spiritually" fulfills prophecies and who "merits" salvation for the human race as a whole (which is then applied to individuals via baptism, sacraments, ritual, and prayer over a lifetime spent walking a tightrope over the fires of Hell) rather than suffering a vicarious eternal damnation on behalf of each individual who will ever live is just disappointing. Really? THAT is what the "old covenant" was leading to??? Good gravy. We were better off before.
I also note you seem to have some sort of problem with me. I don't exactly know why. Yes, I'm anti-Catholic and admit it, though I acknowledge that Catholicism is a form of actual true historical chrstianity, and I much prefer conservative Catholics to liberal ones. I also disagree with the banning of traditionalist Catholics from this web site because they post statements at variance with traditional American Protestant ideology (as is my own). But when I have ever sought you out to argue about anything is beyond me. Yet I notice a lot of stuff I say rubs you the wrong way.
I have wondered if perhaps you are Jim Rob's alleged liberal Democrat son who keeps the site running even though he disagrees with its ideology. If so, your posting history would make some sense as well as be perfectly understandable. But of course this is a wild guess on my part.
Bottom line: I am a Noachide, not a chrstian. And I post from a Noachide point of view because, like every person of good conscience, I believe my religion is the one true one. This should neither surprise you nor be regarded as objectionable.
Keep in mind that the dominant American culture was raised on stories from the "old testament," not stories of medieval knights and kings. We tend to see even contemporary Jews as the idealized militant rustic/Theocratic warrior shepherds of their ancient past. Those are our childhood heroes. And some of us are hoping for the restoration of that ancient polity in all its Biblical fullness.
Don't like it? Then let us part ways.
Christians will be united in faith, but I understand what you are saying, not everyone who says Lord Lord has Jesus as Lord and those will not be united in faith with the body of Christ, one with God as Jesus and the Father are one.
Eph 4: 12..13 .... building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.
What is with "Chrstian" .. no "i" in Christian?
Was ist das “Noahchide”?
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