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Serious Warning to Gun Rights Supporters in Alabama [And Everywhere U.S.]
Renew America ^ | October 15, 2014 | Gina Miller

Posted on 10/15/2014 6:42:37 AM PDT by WXRGina

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I don't normally write sequel columns, but after the first one last week, I found out that there is apparently quite a bit of support for Alabama's Statewide Amendment 3 among conservatives and gun rights groups, and I felt it important to re-address this issue. It's shocking to me that people are deceived and can't see the clear danger this amendment poses to their right to keep and bear arms. If anyone you know lives in Alabama, please get this message to him. This amendment needs to be defeated in three weeks.
1 posted on 10/15/2014 6:42:37 AM PDT by WXRGina
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To: WXRGina

BTTT


2 posted on 10/15/2014 6:47:34 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... (Had I brought Christ with me, the outcome would have been different. Dr.Eric Cunningham)
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To: WXRGina; marktwain

I’m not sure you’re correct about this. I’ve tagged martwain, becuase he’s very conversant with gun-rights legal issues.

Currently future legislatures and voters, via initiatives, have the power to enact new gun laws. The situation as it stands now is that should those laws be challenged in court, an easier standard than strict scrutiny may be applied.

Not having read the proposed amendment, there may be something dangerous in there, but from what you’ve posted, it just says that any future laws when challenged have to pass the most difficult hurdle to be held constititional, and specifically mentions (but does not limit itself) to international rights-theft schemes.

Is that about right, marktwain?


3 posted on 10/15/2014 6:51:46 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: WXRGina

BFLR


4 posted on 10/15/2014 6:59:09 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Still Thinking

The proposed amendment is here in the column (linked, too).

There’s really no argument on this. The wording is clear. Whereas you once had the unalienable, un-tamperable, unrestrictable right to keep and bear arms, this amendment allows for restriction—under “strict scrutiny,” of course.

Alabama may have a pro-gun state government right now, but in the future, what do you suppose the “strict scrutiny” of any restriction by someone just like Eric Holder would look like?


5 posted on 10/15/2014 6:59:38 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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In order to better understand your argument, do you agree that a "fundamental right" is one that exists prior to any government action such as adoption of a constitution?

Are you aware of any other definition that has legal standing?

6 posted on 10/15/2014 7:07:03 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all in the same pot.)
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To: frog in a pot

A fundamental right may or may not be a natural, God-given right (and Publius Huldah argues it is not a natural right), but the key is in the allowing for restrictions on that right, which this amendment does.


7 posted on 10/15/2014 7:22:49 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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Here is some relevant information from the current Alabama constitution.

Alabama Constitution Article 1 - Section 26 - Right to Bear Arms "That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state." Art. I, § 26 (enacted 1819, Art. I, § 23, with "defence" in place of "defense," spelling changed 1901).

Article 1 - Section 36 - Construction of Declaration of Rights That this enumeration of certain rights shall not impair or deny others retained by the people; and, to guard against any encroachments on the rights herein retained, we declare that everything in this Declaration of Rights is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate.

I'm not a legal scholar, but it sounds as if the current laws don't really need revision. Just my two cents worth.

8 posted on 10/15/2014 7:28:29 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: WXRGina
A fundamental right may or may not be a natural, God-given right (and Publius Huldah argues it is not a natural right), but the key is in the allowing for restrictions on that right, which this amendment does.

Well, for the moment I think Huldah's argument is weak at least in the context of the legal language of the proposition. The founders had no problem prior to adoption with referring to the matter simply as a "right". To argue that a "fundamental right" is not fundamental seems ineffective.

Nonetheless, even under the best definition of a "fundamental right" there are undeniably sensible restrictions on the right to bear; e.g., those serving time in jail are not allowed to bear arms in order to defend themselves.

We will always be faced with attempted, perhaps even logical restrictions on this right. A strict judicial scrutiny of any such attempt seems entirely appropriate.

9 posted on 10/15/2014 7:48:48 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all in the same pot.)
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To: WXRGina

“Strict scrutiny”

I think I’m going to steal that.


10 posted on 10/15/2014 7:56:02 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: frog in a pot
A strict judicial scrutiny of any such attempt seems entirely appropriate.

Unless it's Eric Holder whose applying the "strict scrutiny."

11 posted on 10/15/2014 7:58:01 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: frog in a pot

That should read, “... who’s applying...” not, “whose applying...” DUH. Proof reading is our friend.


12 posted on 10/15/2014 8:09:42 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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Unless it's Eric Holder whose applying the "strict scrutiny".

True.

Unbelievably, the survival of our 2dA promise/guarantee is currently subject to a knife edge 5/4 balance. Holder may be willing to take a substantial cut in pay to sit on the USSC just for that.

13 posted on 10/15/2014 8:49:46 AM PDT by frog in a pot (We are all in the same pot.)
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To: frog in a pot

Yep. That’s a big, scary possibility.


14 posted on 10/15/2014 8:55:34 AM PDT by WXRGina (The Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: WXRGina
This is nothing but disinformation. Adding strict scrutiny to the state constitution worked in Louisiana. It will work here in Alabama. Those opposing it will realize their error when gun rights get taken away because some judge thought the state's "compelling interest" of safety of somesuchcrap was more important than the right to keep and bear arms, and rules thusly because he was not forced to use strict scrutiny.

There are elected officials in Alabama that DENY the conclusions of Heller v US, and believe the right to keep and bear arms ONLY applies to the National Guard. We had an official speak to our local chapter of Bama Carry that said EXACTLY that.

People like that do not take our rights seriously. One election, and they are GONE!

15 posted on 10/15/2014 10:28:30 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: WXRGina

You are full of nonsense on this. What does Holder have to do with what happens in Alabama? Strict scrutiny is the best friend the right to keep and bear arms has ever had. If you lose that, and it’s NOT in the Alabama 1901 Constitution now, and these gun grabbing judges will rule that the state’s interest of “safety” is compelling over our rights EVERY TIME.


16 posted on 10/15/2014 10:30:19 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: logi_cal869
“Strict scrutiny” I think I’m going to steal that.

It's not something that was just made up.

This is a legal term that goes back DECADES.

17 posted on 10/15/2014 10:31:16 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: WXRGina
Unless it's Eric Holder whose applying the "strict scrutiny.

An absolutely nonsensical statement, that shows your ignorance of the law and legal precedent. I'm not even a lawyer, and I know better than this.

18 posted on 10/15/2014 10:32:13 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: WXRGina
Yep. That’s a big, scary possibility. And a nice big juicy red herring.

Eric Holder has absolutely NOTHING to do with this discussion. This is a state judiciary issue. If you don't know that, you shouldn't have written this ignorant article.

19 posted on 10/15/2014 10:33:47 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: logi_cal869

It is the most stringent level of judicial review under the 14th Amendment. Buzz words, actually. It goes with a “compelling interest” terminology.


20 posted on 10/15/2014 10:35:12 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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