Posted on 11/07/2014 10:53:35 AM PST by 11th_VA
....”We would spend the first part of our day fixing their crap”....
Same in the Medical Profession. Nurses constantly have to either fix what they do wrong or do their work for them because they don’t know how to. A family member finally left as a nurse for that reason...got tired of working with foreign medical people who didn’t know how to do the work. She’s now with an Insurance Corp. and makes far more money!
We forget that bringing these foreigners into the work place causes good people to leave more times then any would “dare” admit to...all because they don’t know the work and have little drive to learn so when they know others will pick up after them.
Working in a tech industry myself, I can honestly say that this does not jive with what I've seen.
Not to mention that H1Bs take jobs away from Americans, keep IT wages lower and give American technology an knowhow to India.
The vast majority that I work with are missing even the most rudimentary knowledge of anything beyond the extraordinarily limited "training" they have. Network troubleshooting calls are an absolute nightmare. I've got supposed "Active Directory" people who can't even send me a freaking zone file. The best they can do is send you screen captures. I curse every time some moron sends me a screen capture of something that should have just been copy/pasted as text. They don't know anythinbg. They don't know any tools, and if you ask them to think just a tiny bit beyond their rote learning they are completely, obviously, and painfully lost.
I've actually had people laugh on a call at my efforts to extract meaningful information from them. I get private IMs encouraging me to keep pushing.
Most people take a shot at it but it’s not something every can do. They either lack the desire or the time or the knowledge of how to eat the elephant. Every programmer knows the secret. You start every project by stealing code from someone else.
I graduated college on the day my GPA went over 2.0. 10 years later, I got an Accounting degree with a 3.4 GPA. Accounting and CS are alike in many ways.
Yup.
“Bruce Wilds
November 3, 2014 at 8:46 AM
The long term implications of poor job creation are massive. We are seeing that a huge number of people have dropped out of the work force. Often these people have little in the way of savings, this means the burden of caring for them will be transferred to society. If to many people shift into this category we will slowly wear down through attrition. Finding a fair way to share and balance the work load that goes on every day is one of the most important problems facing our modern world.
Failure to discover a solution to this dilemma bodes poorly for our consumer driven economy and adds to the toxic problem of inequality. Many of the numbers and budget projections of the government have been based on far better employment numbers then we are currently facing or will be facing if this continues. The article below looks at the long-term implication of poor job creation and how it will drastically impact in a negative way both the wealth and future of America.”
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/implications-of-poor-job-creation.html
“and painfully lost”
More like defiant. They consider themselves brilliant. It must be a hangover from being under British rule. That’s why they avoid asking questions when they don’t know something.
Not only that, but they won't answer questions when they don't know something. It's a cultural thing. I know this from conversations with some Indians who do have a clue. I've been on calls, and asked a question, that we needed some answers to... and getting dead silence. So I ask again ... ... ... more dead silence. I've practically had to beat answers out of people, to the point of being extraordinarily rude, which is something I don't really like to be, but there are times when it is necessary. When troubleshooting a problem, you need answers or you can't continue. I've been called out on it by management, but when politeness doesn't work, I use whatever does.
The other reason is that they know most companies’ hiring managers and upper echelon don’t care about the individual contributor. They know the attitude is that they are highly expendable (regardless of the reality that expediency over quality always turns out bad product).
Thus, someone with good skills and a proven track record (or with meaningful schooling) can’t command a better wage. this is because they can be replaced by someone from India who will allow themselves to be treated like crap for a much lower wage than the job should command.
Ultimately this is just one nuance of the argument you are making, but it is an important one.
That and I could not understand a darn word they said. I left my last job due to foreigners and others (millenials and Yankees/Californians) who had moved here. All I heard all day was liberal trappings and how bad Texas is. I wanted to ask why did you f’in come here then Yankee. I lasted 6 months and quit.
You are lucky you got silence. There is nothing worse than 5 minutes of tech babble using every acronym on the planet, all done in an attempt to make them look smarter than you. Eventually, they get to the point where they infer you are an idiot.
You’ll also notice they don’t write anything down or draw on a board. Documentation? You may as well have asked them to fly.
My other favorite is them waving a spec sheet in the air and saying “Dis one is wrong. It is useless. It cannot be understood” because it has a misspelled word.
I believe they have learned not to attempt to filibuster me.
I'm not attempting, by the way, to make an idiotically broad assertion that all Indians are incompetent. It seems though that the ones who really know their stuff are vastly outnumbered by seas of incompetence. From what I understand, it is not uncommon to hire folks to take certification tests for you in India. Yeah, the same thing happens here, mind you, but from what I understand, it's commonplace there, so you end up with a bunch of folks with surface knowledge and the ability to parrot buzzwords, and basic stuff, but not enough depth to understand what is happening in an environment when things are not going according to "the plan".
Someday, I'm going to start recording my calls. I had one a few years ago, that if I'd posted it on youtube, I'd be a millionaire from advertizing residuals.
It has gotten a lot better for us. It’s mostly the older programmers. The young guys here are pretty sharp.
All Republicans vote for Zuckerberg’s agenda. King and Democrats dissent because Dems want 12 million voters. Hopefully Jeff Sessions, Berni Sanders and others can filibuster these bills.
I'd also like to mention that so many of them think they are speaking the English language when the only thing coming out of their mouths is gibberish.
In the name of saving money on coding, they end up hiring Americans with top notch skills to debug or patch the exported software development.
It would be produce a better product to hire higher skilled people from the get go.
On a speakerphone!
Me: Are you on a speaker phone?
<silence>
Me: Are you on a speakerphone?
<silence>
Me: You'll need to pick up the handset. You sound like you are speaking in a canyon.
Them: Can you hear me?
Me: I can now. Thank you.
Labor brokers?
Shouldn’t this read American and or multinational corporations.
After all, they are the ones taking advantage of the indentured servitude.
What? I think he drank the kool-aid ...
If the GOP breaks up the bill into pieces Sanders might vote against increases to tech workers and other industries.
Sanders and “compassionate Democrats” only want 12 million Democrats and no guest workers.
Even the unions are backing off guest workers.
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