Posted on 11/14/2014 8:10:07 AM PST by mononymous
Prof. Gruber’s admission that passage of Obamacare depended on the “stupidity” of the American public should come as no surprise to anyone; the man should be applauded for his candor.
Examining the answers to the following questions would suggest that he was and is absolutely right. It is the dependency on the existence of these people that have kept the Democrat party in power; it is their base, it is to whom they appeal and the rest of us, while living in this country, simply pay the price for their voting habits .
So:
(1) how did “hope and change” work
(2) how did President Obama, after promising to “transform” and “redistribute,” win in 2008
(3) in spite of his government’s record, how did he win a second term in 2012
(4) why did the “war on women” work; how did “binders full of women” get to be more important than Benghazi in 2012
(5) what else would explain the herd mentality of entire groups of people (journalists, minorities, etc.) that drives them to vote for Democrat candidates, repeatedly and with the same outcomes
(6) related to item 5, what else but the belief that there exists mass stupidity among her largely black audience would drive Michelle Obama to tell them in the lead up to the last election, “And that’s my message to voters, this isn’t about Barack, it’s not about person on that ballot– its about you. And for most of the people we are talking to, a Democratic ticket is the clear ticket that we should be voting on, regardless of who said what or did this– that shouldn’t even come into the equation.” In other words, blindly do what I say.
(7) what else would explain the rise to Speakership of Nancy Pelosi
(8) how did Michael Moore and those of his ilk become rich
(9) what possible reason is there for the existence of TMZ, Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight and assorted gossip magazines, e.g., “People,” etc.
(10) related to item (9) what else drives the obsession with celebrities, including sports figures and yes, in general, sports. Relatedly, why do grown men wear “Jeter” or “Manning” or whomever else apparel?
(11) what audience is there for the mindless and utter crap that is broadcasted on daytime television
(12) why do advertisements for products with the words “actor portrayal” clearly indicated work
(13) what else drives young women in NYC to wear jeans/pants of a particular shade of blue or for that matter, what makes any person a fashion, trend or any kind of follower
(14) days before the 2014 elections, why did a video of a woman being “catcalled” become viral and receive coverage over a broad spectrum of the media
(15) what else would enable the rackets of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton
(16) why is it that the greatest country in the world cannot have elections without fraud, glitches and voter IDs when we demand the same across the globe with Jimmy Carter as observer
(17) why is Hillary Clinton qualified to be POTUS? That’s right, we have lowered the bar and the “glass ceiling” with it but the fact that she will now be touted as the most “experienced” candidate – probably in the history of the republic, no less – by the very same people who gave us a president with absolutely no experience at running anything, is yet another sign of the level of stupidity Democrats can count on.
(18) why else would people cede their power for decades to the government and the media
(19) what has enabled the states to cede their power the federal government
(20) why does the global warming/climate change hoax continue to perpetuate? How many Prof. Gruber’s are involved?
(21) why is President Obama able to distance himself from all the scandals that have plagued his administration
(22) on what foundation was the Occupy Wall Street operation built
(23) Why do anti-war protesters become latent during Democrat presidencies
(24) Why are there people who still believe that the federal government can do anything efficiently or effectively except through coercion?
This list can go on but we have a general sense of what’s going on here. The final question, however, is this:
(25) why does it seem that folks are more outraged about Prof. Gruber’s confessions than they were about “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,” “If you like your plan, you can keep your plan” and all the other failed promises of the abominable law? In the light of the professor’s revelations, the most relevant question to ask is, “what did the President know and when did he know it?” The evidence suggests that the President was fully aware and an active participant in the fraud being perpetuated on the American people; this is where the real outrage should be directed. But, what is anyone going to do about it?
Which is a good segue to Executive Amnesty or President Obama’s ultimate “FU” and revenge against the American people and particularly, those who dared to vote against his policies and party recently. It is not clear that defunding the operational aspect of it will work because USCIS could simply pass on the cost to mint new documents to the amnesty beneficiaries – which is what they normally do, anyway. The Courts might have a say about the legality of the EO but perhaps a more effective way to deal with the matter is for the Republican party’s leaders and those looking at running for nomination to be president to step forward right after the EO is issued and say some or all of the following: (1) with a potential Republican president the EO will be voided on Jan 20th, 2017 (2) those who benefit from the amnesty will NEVER be put on a path to citizenship – per existing law and (3) by registering for the amnesty’s benefits, you are telling the government who you are, where you live, etc., and this may make deportation later easier. The impact of these comments may depress interest in the offered “amnesty” which should make it easier to undo later on.
“(25) why does it seem that folks are more outraged about Prof. Gruber’s confessions than they were about “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor,””
Different people.
Obama’s team used pretty standard “engineered consensus” techniques, which can sometimes use “opacity” as part of informatin control (lying).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engineering_of_Consent
“Under modern conditions of political advertising and manipulation, it has become possible to talk of the engineering of consent by an elite of experts and professional politicians. Consent that is thus engineered is difficult to distinguish in any fundamental way from the consent that supports modern totalitarian governments. Were the manipulated voter to become the normal voter, the government he supports could hardly be said to rest on his consent in any traditional sense of that word.”
Engineered consent -
The delphi technique meets Alinsky.
These people are dangerous.
Bernays was a bit before Delphi, I always thought that Delphi came out of Alinsky.
But in any case, combining the techniques of Bernays with Delphi and the outlook of Alinsky, applied by a totally compliant media machine, means that you can get a significant number of people to go along with you for as long as it takes.
Obama’s first campaign is a good example. He put out lots of vague terms, but each one was emotionally strong. A susceptible person hearing the flow filled in the vagueness with something they felt comfortable with, they felt good, and went along. Without the “engineering” of the message, a person would likely say, transform America into what, exactly? With engineering, the response is a mirror of the person’s internal desires.
You missed the point.
It's not just that Gruber called the American public stupid. It's that Gruber took actions that took advantage of what he thought was the American people's stupidity.
He's a con artist.
And you want to applaud him.
You should be careful who you think is stupid.
Yeah sure. A con artist is "honest".
Geez.
,,,,,let’s see here ,, the only folks who really supported and voted this healthcare abomination were either in the US Senate or dysfunctional democrat voters . SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO who really are those stupid Americans anyway ? HUH !!!!
I said he was right about stupid people and noted that they were regular Democrat voters and went on to point out, by the questions posed, exactly who these people are.
Plausible deniability. It's not hard for this administration to get away with saying that it didn't know or didn't understand. Gruber's sin was admitting outright that he and the rest of the team consciously practiced deception.
I think you are right; it is by nature a cycle which is precisely what gives us a permanent political class (elites) and Democrats (with Gruber’s philosophy), specifically, in power. Those of us who can see through this scam are just collaterally damaged in the process.
I’m okay with your euphemisms.
My experience with professors is that they are good at theoretical stuff, as one would expect. Very few have any real world experience which, in my opinion, makes them a whole lot better. Rodney Dangerfield’s economics professor in “Back to School” sums up these people very nicely and so by the way, does Gruber given what’s happened and is happening with Obamacare.
Well, maybe you titled it wrong. But the types of voters that would vote for Obama would also willingly endorse Obamacare.
I’ll assume you read what I posted - there are stupid people who want the government to take care of them and most of these people are reliable Democrat voters. Abolishing public schools is probably a good idea but I’d prefer that this happens by providing people with choices.
Not sure what you meant by “different people” but I appreciate the insightful link. Thanks.
Sorry, I don’t think I missed the point rather, I believe, you’ve missed the whole point of my post. I’ll note that the context of his stupidity reference is different from mine but the key point is that THERE IS a mass of stupid people out there (which is why he’s right) and they are by and large, regular, reliable Democrat voters - that is, their base.
Maybe so but how does the smartest most transparent administration EVER get away with it?
Maybe so. Thanks.
I agree with most of what you’ve said. I wasn’t referring to someone like you as being stupid.
The real point that needs to be made about the Gruber comments is not that he called the American people stupid. The real point is that Gruber (and the administration) knowingly took advantage of and acted upon the stupidity to create a dishonest, inefficient and unconstitutional healthcare system.
Sorry, calling Gruber "right" is cringeworthy.
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