Open request to Senator Cruz

[big bad easter bunny]

The Constitution requires that for you to be eligible to be president, both of your parents must be naturally born citizens. You do not meet that qualification, if I am wrong please straiten me out. If you get the nomination I promise you the democrats will do what the republicans are too scared to do.

Dear Ted I think you are awesome but we all need to know the answer to this.

[EQAndyBuzz]

“One of the firsts acts of Congress was to establish that a child born to a US Citizen was in fact, naturally born as a US Citizen even if beyond the lands of the US.”

If that is the case and Obama’s mother was a US citizen...Do I even need to continue?

[Timber Rattler]

Take it up with the boss...

CATO Institute: Yes, Ted Cruz Can be President

Personally, I'm sick and tired of you birthers trying to upend Cruz while he's out there putting it all on the line for Conservatism and America.

So get over yourself.

[SecondAmendment]

I would like to know President Lincoln’s opinion about how far one should go to save our Republic.

[RainMan]

My understanding was Obama’s Mamma was not 18, which was a statutory requirement.

[SoConPubbie]

So what we are left with is the reality of a serving President who under the most generous of interpretations would not qualify as a Natural Born Citizen under my log held understanding of the term, and that reality is likely to remain the precedent for generations.

No, we are left with a LEGAL CONSTITUTIONAL definition that does not include requiring 2 US Citizens to be considered Natural Born.

Granted, at the time of the creation of the Constitution, it may have been the natural meaning of "Natural Born" but it was not the universal meaning, given that not all people believed it to require both parents.

That having been granted, if the desire is to make the requirement to be 2 US Citizens at birth, there are defined processes that are constitutional. There are three distinct paths:

1. Pass an Amendment to the constitution.
2. Pass a US Law, have a President sign it, and then have it survive any SCOTUS rulings.
3. Have SCOTUS rule that it requires 2 US Citizens.

Until any of those three are accomplished, Barack Obama and Ted Cruz are both eligible to be POTUS under the term "Natural Born".

Until your opinion of what is required is made constitutional, it's not constitutional.

Your opinion maybe a good opinion for obvious reasons, or it may not given the passage of time or undue limitations it puts on a citizen of the US. But as of right now, it is not either the Constitutional or Legal definition of "Natural Born".


CRUZ or LOSE!

[ifinnegan]

A post that starts with and is premised on an untruth.

Nuff said.

[ForAmerica]

So, it’s OK for Obama? Last time I checked, Kenya has never been part of the US.

[SoConPubbie]

So, it’s OK for Obama? Last time I checked, Kenya has never been part of the US.

Doesn't matter.

It's the parents US Citizenship at time of birth that determines the child's Natural Born status.

[ForAmerica]

Oh and I’m a racist birther, wait I’m blacker than he is, both of my parents are black!

[BushCountry]

Supposedly the law in effect at the time of Obama’s birth stated that one of the parents had to be a US Citizen, Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) met this test.

Second, that parent must have lived in the US for 10 years, the last 5 of which had to be after her 14th birthday. Stanley Ann Dunham failed this test. And since the father was not only not a US citizen, and he was married to someone else (bigamy) he could not transfer citizenship.

I think the law also had an age requirement which she didn’t meet.

So, if Obama was born out of country he was not a U.S. Citizen by birth at the time (Birther’s logic). The way the birth certificate issue was handled by Obama, state of Hawaii, and every word out of his mouth is a lie, I don’t know what to believe.

[ForAmerica]

It's the parents US Citizenship at time of birth that determines the child's Natural Born status.

Both parents were not US citizens, a Kenyan is not a US citizen!

[TheThirdRuffian]

ZOT!

[taxcontrol]

No Obama is not a citizen at birth (unless it can be shown that he was born on US soil). At the time of his birth, his mother DID NOT meet the requirements as specified in Title 8 Section 1401 and as such, could not qualify him for citizenship.

Under the current law, subsection G is what qualifies Sen Cruz’s mother:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

[ForAmerica]

He’s right on his second point, she was not here long enough after her supposedly return from Kenya. It’s funny how all of her travel documentation disappeared too!

[Revel]

“The current will of Congress is expressed in Title 18 Section 1401 by which Sen Cruz is a citizen at birth via the qualification of his mother who was a US Citizen.”

As a mater of fact the current will of congress or any court decision including one by the USSC is irreverent if it goes against the constitution and is not a ratified amendment. In other words Title 18 section 1401 is Poo Poo on the mater.

The only question is what “natural born” meant when the constitution was founded. And since the term was used specifically in terms of who can be president then then I don’t think that the definition of it was meaningless as many want us to believe.

[potlatch]

Why do WE keep bringing up things that just give ammunition to the liberals? Next week some lib anchor will be discussing this again!

As I recall from old threads, Obama’s father was from British ruled Kenya and his mother, according to laws in Hawaii at the time, was too young to confer citizenship to her child.

Maybe I missed later writings about it but I do recall that from way back.

[SoConPubbie]

Both parents were not US citizens, a Kenyan is not a US citizen!

Both parents ARE NOT required by the US Constitution, it's Amendments, US Law or SCOTUS Ruling to be citizens at the birth of a child in order for that child to be "Natural Born"

Please provide the relevant sections of the U.S. Constitution that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

Lacking that, Please provide the relevant sections of U.S. Federal Law that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

Lacking that, Please provide the relevant rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court that clearly and unambiguously define "Natural Born" as requiring two U.S. Citizens at birth.

You won't because you can't because they don't exist anywhere except in your mind and in sources that are not legal or constitutional in nature.


CRUZ or LOSE!

[PghBaldy]

He is a lawyer...

[big bad easter bunny]

A question can not be a question and a premise at the same time, good try. Not really.

[SoConPubbie]

The only question is what “natural born” meant when the constitution was founded. And since the term was used specifically in terms of who can be president then then I don’t think that the definition of it was meaningless as many want us to believe.

No, the only that has meaning here is what the US Constitution states, US Law states, or what SCOTUS has ruled on.

There is nothing within those three sources of Constitutional rules that defines "Natural Born" that requires 2 citizen parents at birth, the general definition of the term at the signing of the Constitution notwithstanding.

As explained up-thread, if you want to make the constitutional meaning of the term to require 2 US Citizens at birth, you have three CONSTITUTIONAL pathways to accomplish:

1. Amend the Constitution.
2. Make a new Law and have it signed by POTUS and survive any challenges at SCOTUS.
3. Have SCOTUS Rule on the issue independently.

Otherwise, you are simply stating YOUR OPINION as fact. It does not make it constitutional, simply your opinion of what it should be.


CRUZ or LOSE!