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Off The Wall: Minimum Wage
Mike'sBlog ^ | 5 Feb 2015 | Mike Rowe

Posted on 02/25/2015 10:26:11 AM PST by shove_it

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To: thackney

At some point in my employed life,I would probably have had to agree with most of that. After many years in a certain skilled trade,I would have some issues with SOME(certainly not all)of it now. Due to changes that were beyond my control,it just became totally unsatisfying at some point in time. After so many years in the business at a subsistence income,there was no opportunity to make any worthwhile changes;no direction to go that was even slightly feasible. I doubt I am the only one who has ran into this situation. I am retired now & can’t find anything suitable,or I would go back to work.


21 posted on 02/25/2015 11:36:16 AM PST by oldtech
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To: shove_it

PS I looked into the Freedom Socialist Party and their demand for a universal, $20 an hour living wage. Interesting. You’re right – they’re serious. But not long after they announced their position, they made the interesting decision to advertise for a web designer….at $13 an hour. Make of that what you will.

If that doesn’t tell you everything you need to know...


22 posted on 02/25/2015 11:39:09 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (Changing the name of a thing doesn't change the thing. A liberal or a rose by any other name...)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Thanks for noticing the hypocrisy of the the FSP but those are Mike Rowe’s words, not mine.


23 posted on 02/25/2015 11:46:35 AM PST by shove_it (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen -- Dennis Prager)
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To: oldtech

In reference to item #3, sometimes making the best of the job is finding its replacement.

The opportunity in that job will be learning when it is time to recognize the lack of a future and fix it yourself with other employment rather than complaining about it while staying.


24 posted on 02/25/2015 11:53:06 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: central_va
the average Big Mac is about $3.99 and min wage is 7.25. Labor costs around 35% so the $1.40 / mac.

Does that figure include all the associated labor cost in the items purchased by McDonalds? Every item they purchase from the meat to the napkins has a similar cost rise impact.

25 posted on 02/25/2015 11:55:01 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shove_it

Mike really, really, really nails it.


26 posted on 02/25/2015 11:55:43 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: thackney

I just did a web search on restaurant labor costs and got eh 35% figure. The price of the burger/mac includes advertizing, overhead, energy, raw ingredients, management and profit.


27 posted on 02/25/2015 11:57:55 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: oldtech

Actually, I guess Mike Rowe already covered my #3 comments with his #8.

The point is whining and complaining tend to make everyone miserable, including the whinner. It is okay to point out suggested changes for your job to your employer. And if unresolved, politely and professionally address the topic again. But at the third time, possible 4th, on the same problem, it is often time to move on. Your mileage may vary.


28 posted on 02/25/2015 11:59:59 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: central_va
You have no idea what you are talking about. It's kinda funny actually.

Here's a clue to what Rowe is talking about - raises in the minimum wage have a direct impact on the SPEED that automation is implemented. Rowe (nor anyone) is saying minimum raise is the ONLY cause of automation.

Let's see if I can keep this simple enough for even you....a fast food employee makes $8/hour. The cost of a machine to replace what he/she does costs $12/hour. Employee keeps job until the cost of the automation gets below the wage cost. Now, via increase in the minimum wage, the same employee has to make $15/hour. Guess who is now out of a job?????

29 posted on 02/25/2015 12:00:01 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: safeasthebanks

The reason to automate are many, the cost of minimum wage is near the bottom of the reasons.


30 posted on 02/25/2015 12:01:33 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I suspect the 35% is direct labor. But there is an impact in minimum wages in most of the items they purchase.

I think there would be greater impact to the total price/cost.


31 posted on 02/25/2015 12:01:35 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: safeasthebanks

What the employee makes is not the full cost of employing them either.


32 posted on 02/25/2015 12:04:00 PM PST by GeronL
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To: central_va
Why am I even wasting my time.......(and I won't anymore after this post)

There are not MANY reasons to do something when you're running a business, there's ONLY TWO - the new "thing" in the long term either reduces costs and/or increases revenue (both of which increase net profit).

Sheeeesh....

33 posted on 02/25/2015 12:09:53 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: GeronL

Absolutely correct. I was just keeping my example as simple as possible.


34 posted on 02/25/2015 12:10:54 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: central_va
Your example assumes only McDonalds is raising their minimum wage.

Labor factors into everything.

35 posted on 02/25/2015 12:10:55 PM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: safeasthebanks

good idea. A thread title like that could attract some libertarians, so gotta keep the scenarios as simple as possible.


36 posted on 02/25/2015 12:17:40 PM PST by GeronL
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To: safeasthebanks
Minimum wage laws cause loss of jobs and reduction of service too, for example ...
37 posted on 02/25/2015 12:21:16 PM PST by shove_it (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen -- Dennis Prager)
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To: central_va
That's circular logic.

The formula is pretty simple. Anything you do requires investment. You pay for a machine, you pay to make it work. You pay for training. What makes the most sense?

What's the most expensive? What's the most complicated?(expensive?)

Do you know how much investment dealing with employees justifies? Raise the minimum wage to $20...then see how many low and no skill positions exist.

38 posted on 02/25/2015 12:23:55 PM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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To: central_va
The reason to automate are many, the cost of minimum wage is near the bottom of the reasons.

Explain why you can make that judgment...does it involve anything besides something you read once?

39 posted on 02/25/2015 12:32:27 PM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the eGOP does not want you.)
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5 top reasons to automate link
40 posted on 02/25/2015 12:46:08 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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