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Question: is it worth is ($) to get a technical certification?
Cronos ^ | 20 June 2015 | Cronos

Posted on 06/20/2015 2:22:39 AM PDT by Cronos

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To: Cronos

The three most important things in todays job market are:
A powerful Linkedin account.
Upgraded training if possible.
Flexibility to move to other locations.

I needed all 3 to get my current job.


21 posted on 06/20/2015 5:48:19 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: FunkyZero
I get an average of 4 calls a day from head hunters or internal recruiters , some of them even beg. The secret for me has been experience. I started out getting that experience with sandboxing at home.

Well, it was fun to build, but I'm not getting calls.


22 posted on 06/20/2015 6:04:04 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: Cronos

Once you have a track record of sucess in the field, additional certifcations are a waste of time and money.


23 posted on 06/20/2015 6:29:37 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Woodman

Your comment about HR is spot on. Where I work HR has rejected excellent job candidates that have long track records of above standard performance because they don’t have degrees only to hire people with degrees that where complete idiots. It harmed the company, it harmed the moral and it makes it difficult for skilled workers to get in the door. But then again, I have long believed that HR was not there to help the employee. They are there to prevent the employee from harming the company.


24 posted on 06/20/2015 6:54:54 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Cronos
Oh, and I'm not talking about the learning/reading -- THAT I've always found useful, but those can be done pretty much for free,...

How about learning "writing"? That might be useful for articles like this.

25 posted on 06/20/2015 6:57:35 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama: All the news that's fit to control and manage.)
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To: Cronos

In my experience, competent people got positions by their competence, and incompetent people got positions by “credentials”.

But that is a thing of the past. Now, they have made relative competence indistinguishable. You are not allowed to discriminate on the basis of ability. In accordance with Gresham’s Law, the technically competent have left the market, and only incompetent, well credentialed candidates are left.

My recommendation is for you to start a business and be your own boss. There is no place for competent people in today’s corporate world.


26 posted on 06/20/2015 8:02:02 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Cronos

Some of the best computer guys I have had working for me had no formal training. Some of the worst had no formal training. The same goes for some with a wall of certificates - best and worst. If your potential employer only looks at certs you may not want to work there.


27 posted on 06/20/2015 8:05:42 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Cronos

Oh and if you want security become very good at fixing SAP issues. Guaranteed job for life!


28 posted on 06/20/2015 8:06:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Dutch Boy

“But then again, I have long believed that HR was not there to help the employee.”

Indeed. The sole purpose of HR is to protect the company from the employees. Period.


29 posted on 06/20/2015 8:15:29 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Cronos
My daughter, 30, earns a six figure income as a "google analyst". Her degree in college was in Business with an emphasis in marketing. Her first job was sending out postcards for one man audiology offices. She told her company they needed to get more technical and moved all their customers to get websites and she began "analyzing" their position on google searches.

She then learned how to set up facebook and linkedin pages for all those same customers and for herself. She gets a job offer every week in her inbox from her linkedin page, due to her analyst skills, which she did not learn in trade schools or in college.

She has had four or so jobs since graduation from college and recently was invited to Silicon valley to attend a very elite "secret" google analytic conference. She is still single so I asked her about the men there she saw, they are all geeks Mom, I asked her if she was a geek and she said, yes!

30 posted on 06/20/2015 8:20:53 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: Cronos

All HR looks at in most companies do you have a Cert. They get you past HR.


31 posted on 06/20/2015 8:24:34 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (It can be understood through tough thorough thought, though.)
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To: Popman
Cover letters need to be a sales pitch on why you will be the best candidate, not some dry summary of your resume'

Back in my contract programming days (1990-2000), with every resume I sent out, I attached a "Technical Addendum". In that business, your energies were concentrated on solving a problem, forgetting about it and moving on. About half-way through listing the challenges and how I handled them, I blurted out "Hell, I'D hire me!".

I led off by stating that resumes have a blue smoke and mirrors tag attached, but if the reader would pass my Addendum to the guy I would be working for (think positive), he would know in a minute if I was blowing smoke.

I had a couple of Head Hunters tell me it saved them from a call back as to some question of my ability, and I got one job in a chemical plant because the manager figured that if I knew of Bill of Materials, I'd easily pick up on the chemical equivalent - "Recipes".

32 posted on 06/20/2015 9:36:43 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: Cronos

It surprises me to see the number of comments about getting through HR. Does anyone in IT actually go through HR to get an interview/job? In my twenty years in IT, every job I’ve has come from someone I knew professionally bringing me into their company.

I’d say it would be more helpful to cozy up to your favorite vendor/VAR and quietly let them know you are looking. They’ll be familiar with several accounts with similar technology.


33 posted on 06/20/2015 12:28:41 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (Is it any wonder I'm not the president?)
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To: Darth Reardon

Although you are correct about who you know being an effective way to get a job, there are many other great jobs out there in places where you do not know anyone. In a 21st century job search you will not ever be seen if you can’t make it past HR and their applicant clipping if your resume does not meet certain criteria. After that you need to deal with EEOC issues if you do not fit the right profile there, you may be turned down post interview regardless of how good you are. Small firms are much easier to deal with than large majors.


34 posted on 06/21/2015 3:53:55 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: Nifster; Woodman

good points.


35 posted on 06/21/2015 12:18:46 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: FunkyZero

Hey, thank you — that was excellent advice!!


36 posted on 06/21/2015 12:20:53 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: mad_as_he$$

SAP BW guys get twice or thrice as much as other DW guys


37 posted on 06/21/2015 12:27:23 PM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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