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Need Help identifying this Hawk/Raptor ~ Vanity

Posted on 06/21/2015 6:09:41 PM PDT by GraceG

So across my street there is Hawk or big Raptor type bird that lives in a tree, well this spring it had some hatch-lings and now they are flying around the nearby house shrieking and raising a ruckus, think the momma bird tossed them out of the nest as they can now fly. Wondering if any freeples out there have any idea what sort bird this is, I managed to get some up close pics of them. I need a few questions answered.

1. Will they damage my property?

2. Will they kill the squirrels that actually do damage my property?

3. If #1 is no, and #2 is yes, is there anyway to entice them to stay?

Picture Below:


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: bird; hawk; raptop
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To: GSAonce

Broadwings are eastern birds, unlikely to see them breed in Colorado well outside their range. Not to mention Grace’s pics show many of the back feathers edged with white, looks like distinct white V’s...like a redtail, not a broadwing, which if they show white at all it will be in round spots rather than V’s. The V’s are a good marker.

The tail in her pic has a distinct white end, also common though not always present in redtails, with fine dark banding... whereas a BW would have much broader dark bands with only a hint of white, if any, on the tip.


101 posted on 06/22/2015 1:51:21 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: rustbucket

A western redtail with have very different markings underneath the wings from an eastern, but I’m not sure which would be most likely to be in Grace’s area.


102 posted on 06/22/2015 1:53:08 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Redtails do have plumage on the upper legs. Sometimes it is plain cream, sometimes cream with light ticking, sometimes with very dark banded markings.

Juvie goshawks have uniform dark markings on the entire chest and belly, looks like grace’s hawk has a substantial white unmarked area.


103 posted on 06/22/2015 2:03:39 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

Juvenile redtail [not the race with darker wing markings]
https://v4s2.yimg.com/sk/3519/3850676259_d618d9d6f6_z.jpg


104 posted on 06/22/2015 2:11:17 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Yosemitest

Food is food, baby!


105 posted on 06/22/2015 2:19:09 AM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant.)
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To: GraceG

White breast patch, dark streaked belly band, white streaked V-pattern on the back, yet undeveloped red in tail, overall head shape, bill shape, size, tolerance of humans, nesting site, tail length, tail markings, proportions, coloration, all scream light, Western, juvenile Red-tailed Hawk.


106 posted on 06/22/2015 2:22:29 AM PDT by xander
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To: GraceG

red tail hawk....they are actually quite delicious


107 posted on 06/22/2015 4:07:09 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: GraceG
Peregrine. Compare and contrast...


108 posted on 06/22/2015 5:00:48 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (WSC: The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end...)
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To: GraceG

Lucky you! But couldn’t you have made the pictures a little larger? I had to put my reading glasses on.........LOL!


109 posted on 06/22/2015 5:03:27 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (War IS the answer! Peace activists never liberated anything or anyone....)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
I am almost positive that is a Prairie Falcon, but could POSSIBLY be a Peregrin Falcon

Neither one, both nest high on cliff sides (or in the case of Peregrines, tall building), not in trees.......

Prairie Falcon

Peregrine Falcon


110 posted on 06/22/2015 5:17:12 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (War IS the answer! Peace activists never liberated anything or anyone....)
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To: piasa; GraceG
A western redtail with have very different markings underneath the wings from an eastern, but I’m not sure which would be most likely to be in Grace’s area.

Thanks for ypur comment. There are indeed Western red-tails with darker underwing colors. However, some juvenile Westerns appears similar to Easterns. As author Jerry Liguori says under the light morph Western in his Figure RT 07 in "Hawks From Every Angle," "Many Western juveniles have white throat and faintly marked underwing coverts (right), appearing identical to Eastern birds (see FH Pitfall 02)." Unfortunately, GraceG's photos don't show the underwing areas.

Adult red-tails I have photographed in Yellowstone, Southern Arizona, and central Texas have what looks like smeared vertical dark streaks right under the head feathers and lighter looking markings on the belly than what I'm used to with Texas juveniles. Here is an adult red tail from Yellowstone:

Red-tailed Hawk - 1030

And one from Arizona:
Red-tailed hawk - 4509

111 posted on 06/22/2015 8:26:33 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: GraceG

Pics are a tad small. Can you make them bigger? /s


112 posted on 06/22/2015 10:24:50 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: familyop

Or... you can just right-click on the image and select “View image”. And increase or decrease size with fncn +/-.


113 posted on 06/22/2015 10:30:35 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: ataDude

Oops. That’s CTRL +/-, not Function.


114 posted on 06/22/2015 10:31:40 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: GSAonce

Dang... I heard you the first time! :-)


115 posted on 06/22/2015 10:35:57 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: jazusamo
Sorry to come to the party so late! Haha! Juvenile red-tailed hawk, without a doubt. Just saw one today, in fact, along with dozens of other juveniles: western kingbird, Bullock's oriole, Brewer's blackbird, American robin, house wren, Bewick's wren, and black-billed magpie. Quite a day for fledglings on my bird survey!

Thanks for the ping, Jaz!

I'll Freepmail you when the breeding bird survey season ends.

116 posted on 06/23/2015 1:36:29 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: piasa

Good call. You know your field marks.


117 posted on 06/23/2015 1:38:28 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: GraceG
Prarie Falcon - Link
118 posted on 06/23/2015 1:42:29 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Flycatcher

Thanks Fly, I knew it’d be an easy one for you. Didn’t expect an immediate reply, figured you be out in the boonies somewhere. :-)

Looking forward to your Freepmail.


119 posted on 06/23/2015 2:00:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (0bama to go 'full-Mussolini' after elections: Mark Levin....and the turkey has.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Raptors have many phases; juvenile, adult, moulting, seasonal change, etc.. What do you suggest?


120 posted on 06/23/2015 5:06:25 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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