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Myths and Exaggerations About Teacher Pay
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 8/24/2015 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 08/27/2015 8:45:53 AM PDT by MichCapCon

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To: mountn man
Teachers have some of the lowest ACT/LSAT test scores.

I aced the SAT Math, and got 740/800 on the Verbal (this was before it was a 3-part, 2400 point max). Also, I think you mean the SAT, not the LSAT, which is taken before Law School. (My LSAT score was 171, though... in the 98th percentile).

But I do understand your point. There is no shortage of slobbering idiots in the teaching field, some of whom, in my experience, likely could not pass their own tests for their students.

Among MY winning Presidential platform ideas, for my imaginary run at the office, would be de-fanging unions when it comes to defending bad teachers and bad police. Who can possibly want to stand up for them, and make it impossible to get rid of them? They DO exist, as we all know from the news (for police), and from our own childhoods (for teachers). Life gets better for EVERYONE when we have fewer bad (corrupt, evil, stupid, belligerent, abusive, exploitative) police and teachers in our world.

21 posted on 08/27/2015 9:51:52 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: MichCapCon

Performance pay for teachers: http://hanushek.stanford.edu/publications/teacher-quality


22 posted on 08/27/2015 9:56:25 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Teacher317
you CANNOT say that they only work 6 hours per day

I can and I did.

I'm not saying it is true for all disciplines but for mine it was true. I did send students to state and then national competitive event each year for many of the years I taught electronics, physics and engineering. So, it cannot be said that the quality of their training suffered in any way.

As for prep time and post teaching time, I did that at school and previously at work too. I always showed up early and stayed until the job was complete for the day regardless of the clock. So, I consider that aspect as part of a good work ethic, not an obligation.

I also did coaching and had supplemental contracts for that. As far as I am concerned that was not an obligation but a choice I made for the compensation offered. I didn't consider those hours as part of my "teaching day". Rather they were part of the committment I made to some students and the district to provide an extra service.

As far as IEPs, yes I agree they were a pain in many ways. So were parent teacher meetings regarding discipline and I despised in-service group gropes. If there was anything I considered a waste of time it was the touchy-feely motivational in-services.

23 posted on 08/27/2015 10:38:17 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: MichCapCon
“Nationally, the average salary for public school teachers — including those with decades of experience in the classroom..."

Yes, that is how averages work. Why not say "including those with no experience"?

24 posted on 08/27/2015 10:41:54 AM PDT by Darth Reardon (Is it any wonder I'm not the president?)
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But I do understand your point. There is no shortage of slobbering idiots in the teaching field, some of whom, in my experience, likely could not pass their own tests for their students.

I used to be a jr high leader in my old church.

One of my former kids had contacted me via e-mail back when Zero was first running for Prez.

We'd have some back and forths on stuff. He was a silver spooned diaper baby, who naturally became a staunch liberal and moved up to Minneapolis. He was a teacher up there. He said he was actually a principal of a school, at that point.

The spelling and grammar were ATROCIOUS. When pointed out to him, he shrugged it off saying he didn't need to worry about it, he had a secretary who took care of the small stuff like that.

I pointed out that he was a teacher, with many years of education behind him and that I was just a dumb construction worker with 3 years of junior college education in technical classes.

Like all liberals, it didn't bother him. In fact, he was rather proud that he was in such a high position (whether he was or not...???) and yet in correspondence he came across as a second grader.

25 posted on 08/27/2015 10:58:06 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: mountn man

You know what they say, “those that can do, those that can’t, teach”.


26 posted on 08/27/2015 11:40:30 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: 1Old Pro

NJ is in the same boat as Albany; huge amounts paid to teachers (I believe they work 180 days here, 6 hours per day). They are bankrupting the towns and taxpayers, and causing a brain drain in which anyone who can is leaving. Soon NJ will be just illegal aliens (we import them to keep schools filled) and welfare populations; employers are fleeing when they are handed the bill for administering these populations (with cops, teachers, etc.).

Once so many Americans stopped breeding, it was only a matter of time before people took a hard look at what they were paying teachers (to teach other peoples’ children). The Asbury Park Press exposed the teachers when it published all of their salaries (as public information) years ago; they are pariahs now, interacting only with other government workers in their own incestuous bubble.


27 posted on 08/27/2015 8:08:18 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: hal ogen

Don’t say “9 months of work”; they literally work less than half the year (about 180 days). When you put it in that context, and also clarify that these are not 9-5 days, then it is clear these are part-time jobs.


28 posted on 08/27/2015 8:12:04 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

yes, sad but so true.


29 posted on 08/31/2015 11:55:49 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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