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Mourn the Death of the United States: “Soon We Will Be Ripe For Internal Collapse… Or A Large War”
SHTF Plan ^ | 5/31/2016 | Jeremiah Johnson

Posted on 06/01/2016 5:05:38 AM PDT by HomerBohn

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To: Vermont Lt

You see dirt on the ground. I see the stars.


61 posted on 06/01/2016 7:15:47 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Mears

Don’t be so sensitive.

If you are a conservative from that era, you know how rare you are compared to the actions of your “cohort.”

Generational generalizations are based on trends, not individuals. But if you look at the politicians—both national and local—that generation did not perform well. Did you know its the only Generation in American History that did not produce a President?

No one is blaming YOU.

My kids are millennials and they are conservative, responsible, and wise. They are the first one to tell you their friends and classmates are clueless.

In 40 years, they will be making the same comments as you: “Don’t blame me for this mess!”


62 posted on 06/01/2016 7:17:10 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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To: redgolum

CWII.


63 posted on 06/01/2016 7:19:25 AM PDT by Stentor ("Hiding behind 'conservative' while America goes down the toilet is not acceptable anymore." LS)
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To: Vermont Lt
It is very likely the "lieutenant" in your FReeper screen name that enables that special capability! :-)
64 posted on 06/01/2016 7:21:15 AM PDT by Blue Jays
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To: Biggirl

I will admit, I have taken off my rose colored glasses.

I’ve lived in a socialist cesspool for 55 years.

I’ve seen how difficult it is for a 50+ year old white man with great credentials to get a job.

I’ve seen the city that I grew up in and loved, destroyed by illegal immigrants, the loss of industrialization, and its reliance on the nanny state.

A lifetime of experiences has shown me that it is good to be an optimist. But it is also essential to be pragmatic.

If we are both as you described, we both would walk into a tree. I like to think that I can look around myself and see what is going on.


65 posted on 06/01/2016 7:21:37 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ask Bernie supporters two questions: Who is rich. Who decides. In the past, that meant who died.)
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To: HomerBohn

“The influx of foreigners that are both undocumented and illegal is staggering, and the system cannot support it. Those foreigners are not only the illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America. The influx also includes foreigners from the Middle East, coming first to Mexico and finding anonymity in the groups of aliens that come across our borders from Mexico. “

This has already destroyed California. Only mass deportation can save it.


66 posted on 06/01/2016 7:23:16 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama. When being bad is not enough and only evil will do)
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To: Vermont Lt

We have different styles on how to take the USA back, that is all.


67 posted on 06/01/2016 7:32:22 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: HomerBohn
"First we will take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia. We will encircle the last bastion of capitalism, the United States of America. We will not need to fight. It will fall as a ripe fruit into our hands." Lenin All indicators point to the spread of this madman's insanity throughout much of the rest of America and the world.  It begs this existential question:  WILL WE SURVIVE IT? We'll know more after November!  photo Lenin-Seattle text_zps6wxaz25h.jpg

68 posted on 06/01/2016 7:34:47 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: central_va

I kind of think this is the answer, too. 50 individual state run governments. Alas, I live in California, not the state I want to be in when that happens.


69 posted on 06/01/2016 7:44:42 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: Biggirl

Beck and Brad Thor were openly talking about it.

On the left, there are people begging for it to happen.

There will be attempts. There have been attempts. Remember, the Secret Service is not paid by the POTUS. If I were Trump, I would have some security forces paid for by myself.

And I hope you are right.


70 posted on 06/01/2016 7:56:32 AM PDT by redgolum
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To: redgolum

I would assume he has both the SS, which is paid by the Treasury Department and paid private security as well.

The good news is that SiriusXM radio have kicked both Beck and Thor off that company’s airwaves for what they have said. The company says for a week, but I will not be surprised if they will be off for good.


71 posted on 06/01/2016 8:26:25 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: kabar

It’s not remarkable that this number is almost precisely the number of Americans murdered by abortionists knives since human sacrifice became a democrat sacrament. The zeal to legalize the invaders is also to re-balance the vig on worker’s pay lost to the SS “Trust Fund” since we started killing off our progeny.


72 posted on 06/01/2016 8:36:18 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: HomerBohn

The insane and deadly ideology of globalism is the reason behind the death of the West.


73 posted on 06/01/2016 8:49:31 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: odawg

“... working with all the Republican presidents since and including Reagan, coming out for Hillary. He said 4 years of Hillary will not be as bad as 1 day of Trump in office.”

Many who worked in the Reagan Administration were not working for but against Reagan. The mere fact that this man prefers Hillary is an indication he is a neo-con.
Reagan was very reluctant to send our military into foreign conflicts.


74 posted on 06/01/2016 9:33:38 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: HomerBohn

You answered your own question when you recognized the cause of the rapid decline and coming destruction of Western Civilization as being the UN and the New World Order backers. It is not mind boggling at all. As you know, it is a concerted coordinated plan to destroy America and Western culture, prosperity, and influence.


75 posted on 06/01/2016 9:41:20 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (The Confederate Flag is the new "N" word.)
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To: Wallace T.
The SHTF writers have predicted absolute collapse for years. I remember in the pre-Internet days receiving a pamphlet saying that the elder Bush would bring about a dictatorship real soon now.

Thanks! I'm glad you posted this. Millenialism has a strong attraction in America, both the classic form "Jesus is coming soon, repent!" and the secular version "the USA is one year away from financial catastrophe".

In fact you see one or the other of these in 1/2 the replies on this thread.

But as you note every era has people saying these things, and mostly they never come true.

In fact there is a market for anyone saying "the world as you know it is going to end soon". Ravi Batra made a pretty good living writing that book every 10 years:

There is always someone making the case:

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These are the secular/financial milleniumists. But there are lots of classic ones too! This guy got rich and famous calling on the imminent second coming. (maybe he still is?):

Here is the intro for the Wikipedia article on the book:

The Late, Great Planet Earth is a treatment of literalist, premillennial, dispensational eschatology. As such, it compared end-time prophecies in the Bible with then-current events in an attempt to broadly predict future scenarios leading to the rapture of believers before the tribulation and Second Coming of Christ to establish his thousand-year (i.e. millennial) Kingdom on Earth. Focusing on key passages in the books of Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation, Lindsey originally suggested the possibility that these climactic events might play out in the 1980s, which he interpreted as one generation from the foundation of modern Israel in 1948, a pivotal event in some conservative evangelical schools of eschatological thought

Didn't happen.

Empires are durable things, the British empire fell, but the Commonwealth replaced it. There was not a dark age, things changed, but many things remained the same too.

Their is a famous story of the 18th century economist Adam Smith:

One day Sinclair brought Smith the news of the surrender of Burgoyne at Saratoga in October 1777, and exclaimed in the deepest concern that the nation was ruined. "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation," was Smith's calm reply.

Rally big powerful empires take even longer to fall. Rome was an incredible long drawn out process. The usual year given for the fall of the Roman Empire is 474 AD, when the Emperor Romulus was deposed by a German tribal warrior-king. One might stay the fall started in 33 AD when the Republic was replaced by the Imperial system. Or perhaps 117 when the Empire reached it's greatest size. Regardless you are talking hundreds of years.

And by the time Rome itself and the Western Empire fell the Roman Empire had already split itself into two, established a great new capital city in Constantinople, and this Eastern Roman empire continued on until 1473, when Constantinople was finally sacked. 1,000 years after the fall of Rome itself.

I think a lot of millenielism (of both secular and religious) is driven by people's own disagreement with the way things are going. I see this on the prepper and patriot boards I participate in.

Many people believe the system is so evil that (surely!) is must fail soon. But I think history shows vile and wicked regimes can be quite stable. I'm sure many Roman's thought that Rome must sure fall soon during the reign of Caligula (37 AD - 41 AD), perhaps when he made his horse a Senator. They were off by more than 400 years, even using the earlier date of the Western empires demise.

Maybe historians will look back at Obama as sort of like Caligula, but even if you say "things move faster now", it could easily be 100, 200 or 400 years before the American Empire falls. And it's much more likely that the fall will be more along the lines of the fall of the British Empire, which did not include the Queen having her head lapped off, the destruction of St. Pauls, or the sack of London by anyone.

76 posted on 06/01/2016 10:50:02 AM PDT by Jack Black (Dispossession is an obliteration of memory, of place, and of identity)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Mass immigration will help bankrupt SS and Medicare, not save it.


77 posted on 06/01/2016 12:39:15 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sauropod

Bkmk


78 posted on 06/01/2016 3:17:58 PM PDT by sauropod (Beware the fury of a patient man.)
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To: tgusa
“I have noticed that Mexicans will not fight their government in Mexico because it will fight back, but will illegally enter the country and fight the American people with the help of the American government.” This may be the quote of the year.

I second that! The cowards won't fight their own gov but will come here and fight ours and us. Everyone should take note!

79 posted on 06/01/2016 6:39:54 PM PDT by Boomer (liberalism is a mental disease with no cure but a frontal lobotomy will make them less of a jerk.)
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To: sauropod

Most Americans have had the default freedoms and opportunities to understand the truth and the will to do it, we’ve had easy access to knowledge about God, the rain of freedom here fell on the just and the unjust, we are coasting on fumes today from the blessings given our parents,

Now we’re all paying for abortions to Moloch and living in Sodom,

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.” Matthew 23:15

“For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not. “ 1 Samuel 3:13


80 posted on 06/02/2016 5:25:36 AM PDT by captmar-vell
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