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Pistol replacement recommendation [Vanity]
None ^ | June 3, 2016 | Self

Posted on 06/03/2016 9:23:17 AM PDT by Reno89519

My smallest concealed carry is a Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 380. By all accounts a quality pistol. In practice, though, I increasingly dislike it. The long 12-pound trigger pull prevents accurate, consistent shooting. After over a year and many hundreds of rounds, the results are all over the place.

By comparison, I can place a six-inch result at 45-feet and at 21-feet, mostly in 3-inch, using either a Sig Sauer P320SC or, almost as well, with a S&W M&P Shield 40.

At 21-feet, the S&W 380 Bodyguard is typically 8-12 inches.

I like the smaller size of the S&W Bodyguard 380.

So my question is, what replacement would you recommend? So many choices in that smallest size format...


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To: Reno89519

Ruger LCP .380. Small, really small. Easy carry. Less than 10 oz.
I don’t have one but it’s on my list. Not sold on .380 as enough cartridge.

As far as accuracy, let’s face it, to defend yourself with a gun the perp practically has to be beating the s#$% out of you. Accuracy at 1-4 feet is point and shoot.


21 posted on 06/03/2016 9:43:40 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Lurker

XDS .45 in an Alien Gear Cloak Tuck 2 holster here. Love that gun for EDC.


22 posted on 06/03/2016 9:43:53 AM PDT by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: Reno89519

At 21 feet 8-12 inch group is a little too much. Do not forget all subcompacts by nature have short sights and light weight and most are double action. The 12 lb trigger pull sounds excessive, but can be over come via a gunsmith lightening the pull. The 10 to 12 pound on most double action semi autos is the magic number some police departments require because of the pull on most double action revolvers and if they produce a weapon in several calibers, they will all get the heavy pull. So get that down to a light 8 or so pounds. Sights on mouse guns are another problem. short and usually black. That also can be fixed. Then lots of quality range time.
Summertime, I usually carry a Tauraus 380TCP. Weighs 12.5 oz loaded, double action with a pretty light (for a double action) pull. I highlighted the sights and can usually pull off a 6-8 inch group at 15 yards. Center mass. That should be sufficient for a belly gun.


23 posted on 06/03/2016 9:45:46 AM PDT by Tupelo (we vote - THEY decide.)
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To: Reno89519

Glock 43 is a good carry if size is a top priority.


24 posted on 06/03/2016 9:47:17 AM PDT by IamConservative (There is no greater threat to our freedoms than Bipartisanship.)
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To: DCBryan1

Let me add:

Carry is not an occasional thing. It is not based on where you think you might need it. It is a way of life. IOW, you either carry or you don’t. It has to be a habit, like putting on your pants. You just do it.

The sheriffs detective who teaches the various classes I have taken (and will take) makes the above very clear.


25 posted on 06/03/2016 9:47:26 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I would have liked it better as a double/single action but the trigger (it has an exposed hammer) is light and over all, the gun is quite accurate.

I bought this slightly used. A sheriff’s deputy had it for sale when his boss mandated 9 MM for all carry and backup pistols. I think it had less than a box of ammo through it.


26 posted on 06/03/2016 9:47:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Reno89519

Walter PPK or PPK/S, and stick to German or French made versions, buddy. Expensive but quality always is. Safe, compact, accurate, dependable. If your life depends on it, spend the money.


27 posted on 06/03/2016 9:55:25 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Reno89519

You might want to check out the Ruger LC9s, it’s compact, light, and has a very sweet striker trigger. If you prefer a less nanny-ized version (no manual safety), there’s also the LC9s Pro.

I’m very pleased with mine.


28 posted on 06/03/2016 9:55:25 AM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Reno89519

Suggest you take a look at the Sig Sauer in 380. Single action. Very sweet. P238.


29 posted on 06/03/2016 9:55:32 AM PDT by DugwayDuke ("A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest")
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To: Reno89519

I love the gun threads. You seem like a person who practices so the recommendation to you is different than someone who does not practice.

Some considerations before a recommendation. Foregoing things like firepower...

1) Comfort and fit. Even guns of the same class and caliber often feel different, and depending on hand size may or may not work best. Try a Glock and a M&P and a XD and you will know what I am saying. Different grip widths and backstrap to trigger lengths.

2) Complexity. For concealed carry or even open carry defense, the more complex the gun, the slower your response time will be due to disengaging safeties, double action to single action pull trigger pulls, etc. Similarly, your training time on a complex gun will be considerably more to get your holster to shots on target time down. The flip side is if you can master the complex gun, like an M9 Beretta (double action to single action, safe hammer drop), you can probably shoot anything. But there is a reason most law enforcement is shooting Glock like guns these days.

So with that said, Glock/H&P/XD are probably amongst the best choices for personal defense. I used to say 1911 (because I like the idea that I still have a 7 pound club even when I am empty), but the thumb safety is a complexity that will slow your holster to shot time down. I have run an M9 just to try that, but would not personally recommend any double/single action. Getting used to two trigger pulls is not something I am against, but its not to my advantage either. Between the Glock, H&P and XD, I own all three but the Glock is less comfortable due to trigger to backstrap distance. The H&P and XD are pretty much even, though the XD added some tactile features that allow you to know the state of the gun (both loaded, and cocked) by feel (in the dark) which is nice, and ultimately why it is my carry of choice now.


30 posted on 06/03/2016 9:58:05 AM PDT by Magnum44 (I dissent)
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To: Reno89519

I used to have one of those before the boating accident.

Anyway, the trigger pull is heavy. Go to a gunsmith. I think any small self-defense weapon is going to have a heavy trigger pull, for liability reasons.


31 posted on 06/03/2016 10:00:31 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Looking at a bersa thunder for a car gun on console by right knee. Do like my GLOCK 42. my edc is a GLOCK 26 +1 with two spare mags. Been in Maryland the past week. Longest time not carrying in over two years. I now find it uncomfortable to not carry.


32 posted on 06/03/2016 10:03:10 AM PDT by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight,)
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To: Reno89519

I have had the same experience as you only I have a Ruger LCP 380 that I have a hard time hitting the target with. My EDC now is a Glock 19 in and Alien Gear IWB holster.


33 posted on 06/03/2016 10:05:04 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: Reno89519

Ruger has as series of back up pistols that might suit you.

LCP .380ACP cal. wt. 9.4 oz. capacity 6+1
LC9 9x19mm wt. 17.1oz. capacity 7.1

Both have relatively lighter trigger pulls than the Body guard.


34 posted on 06/03/2016 10:08:42 AM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Reno89519

To follow up on my post 39, I think Glock, H&P, and XD are all offering slim single stack models these days, so you can probably find something as compact as your .380 in a larger caliber without any difficulty.


35 posted on 06/03/2016 10:09:22 AM PDT by Magnum44 (I dissent)
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To: Reno89519

Sorry, my post 35 was referring to my post 30, not 39.


36 posted on 06/03/2016 10:10:48 AM PDT by Magnum44 (I dissent)
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To: Vinnie
Ruger LCP .380. Small, really small. Easy carry. Less than 10 oz.
I don’t have one but it’s on my list. Not sold on .380 as enough cartridge.

I have the Coyote special version of that. I always say LCP stands for little cute pistol. It is my concealed carry pistol.I have Hornady Critical Defense in it.

37 posted on 06/03/2016 10:13:33 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Donald Trump will ban auto-correct with an Executive Order. Go Trump!i)
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To: Reno89519

Check out a Ruger LCP if you want a small .380. My son likes his slightly larger LC9s Pro 9mm.


38 posted on 06/03/2016 10:20:50 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Magnum44

Sig makes a 9mm P938 that is essentially the P238 in a larger caliber, very small increase in size.

However, I can’t comment as to how good it is, only having personal experience with the P238.


39 posted on 06/03/2016 10:23:47 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there....)
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To: Reno89519

I find the SigP239 9mm very concealable and very controllable.


40 posted on 06/03/2016 10:24:35 AM PDT by NorthMountain (A plague o' both your houses.)
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