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Game of Thrones S06E09 discussion thread
6/19/16 | marty

Posted on 06/19/2016 8:10:14 PM PDT by martin_fierro

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To: KC_Lion; chris37
"I didn't think they were going to have the Knights of the Vale ride in at the last second, al la Stannis in the Battle of Castle Black, but they did :P"

Blackwater was like that as well. All 3 battles were lost and then the calvary rides in. Kinda cliched. But still, awesome battle. Poor Wun Wun, I guess he was the last giant anyway. Poor Rickon, not special enough for the Lord of Light to bring back? I don't think he had a single line this year and I can't remember if he ever said anything back when he was little. He shouldn't have run in a straight line like that, turn, duck, roll, something.

Speaking of Stannis, I forgot to mention last week was really hoping to see the Braavos play version of him before they wrapped that up. I wonder how they would have characterized him and how much flatulence would be involved.

Seems like they have a lot to fit into the season finale, even for an extra long episode.

41 posted on 06/19/2016 11:34:22 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery)
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To: Williams

You could be right. That is just something I think when I’m being pessimistic about it.

I was cruising around various Game of Thrones articles earlier tonight, and someone had posted in the comment section that Book 6 is already finished and is in the translation stage at this time.

I’ve no way of knowing if that is true or not, but time will tell.

I just want to read it, dammit!


42 posted on 06/19/2016 11:55:40 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: chris37

Patience grasshopper. Martin is really good at chess.


43 posted on 06/20/2016 12:53:12 AM PDT by Read Write Repeat
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To: Mad Dawgg

You’d think that “Don’t piss off the chick with 3 dragons” would be some sort of standard rule.


44 posted on 06/20/2016 2:05:16 AM PDT by Salamander (I Aim To Maim...)
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To: martin_fierro

Good puppies!


45 posted on 06/20/2016 3:34:04 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: martin_fierro

Best episode ever!


46 posted on 06/20/2016 3:48:07 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Williams

Can you watch the previews for next week? Davos figured out that the stack of wood was actually a pyre and his favorite little princess is mixed in with the ashes. They show exactly where that’s going next week. Only if you want to know...


47 posted on 06/20/2016 3:52:11 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Caipirabob

I guess I had lost sight of the fact that Davos was away when Shireen was burned. I had it in my head that Davos knew what we know. But I guess he just learned something. And not a good thing.


48 posted on 06/20/2016 3:54:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The official language of the United States should be Arabic. It's clear that our government is.)
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To: KC_Lion
A little off topic, but the Lannisters have completely screwed themselves, totally, and next episode I think we will see that bare fruit. Everyone will stop pretending and call-out Tommen for what he is, a Bastard, born of Incest like is Brother before him, and Chaos will reign. Just as Dany comes from the East and The White Walkers from the North....

Recalling an earlier conversation, I have some difficulty seeing how the show will string out the story for two more seasons unless there is at least one more major plot reversal. Last night's episode was an all-points "turning of the tide." At the beginning of the hour, the good guys faced disaster both in the North and in Meereen. At the end of the hour, they were victorious on both fronts, with an Ironborn alliance thrown in as a bonus. The show logic is driving to an endgame sooner rather than later.

In principle, Euron and his fleet are no more than kindling for the dragons. The trick will be finishing Euron while saving the ships for Dany and Yara, but that's a minor piece of scriptwriting. The story can be further padded out with endless clash of armies subplots. That would be a mistake. The White Walkers have been unveiled, and they are moving in the north against Jon and the emergent northern alliance, and anyone who rallies to him in the next couple of episodes. The three D's are moving in the east (Dany/Dothraki/dragons). Anything in between is fluff. The fluff may insist on dying pointlessly, or it may join the emerging alliance in time, but that choice is incidental to the finale.

I am afraid those responsible for the show have caught Peter Jackson disease and have fallen in love with extended battle scenes. Last night's was tedious. The only important thing was the timely arrival of the Knights of the Vale, and that should have been better plotted instead of being left as a hackneyed cavalry-over-the-hill, perils of Pauline rescue.

Looking ahead, it is really pointless to stage endless sideshows involving Lannister, Martel, Tyrell and Dornish armies at this point.

The internal politics of Kings Landing and the remaining great houses should be resolved swiftly, but the writers may have become too self-indulgent to care.

The Jon Snow/Targaryan reveal is almost anticlimatic at this point. Bran, Jon, and Dany have emerged as the triumvirate against the White Walkers. Arya, Sansa, Yara, Brienne and Meera are all sympathetic and popular secondary characters who need to sorted out, dead or alive. We will see if GRRM and/or the screenwriters are misogynist enough to kill a couple of them off. I'd like to see Tyrion ride a dragon, but it's not terribly important one way or the other; Tryion is now a servant of Dany. Varys needs resolution as well, but that too is a minor detail, as are the Clegane brothers. (Go Hound!) Of the secondary characters left standing, probably the biggest question is Jamie; will he finally break with Cersei and find redemption, or will he end badly? Kevan Lannister is also an attractive character, but he has already overstayed his role and is probably about to be Varysed.

That leaves Littlefinger as the last major schemer still to be unmasked and settled. That doesn't take two seasons. Killing Dany would scramble everyone's calculations, but that would be premature before the penultimate episode, if at all. As a matter of dramatic pacing, the next two seasons are shaping up as anticlimactic.

49 posted on 06/20/2016 4:30:36 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: BeauBo

You said “Varys is on a mission to Dorn.”

In the Epilogue in the last book, Varys shows up in King’s End and kill Kevan Lannister just as a white crow arrives to announce that it’s really Winter.

He tells Kevan that he’s sorry, but he has to cause dissension in King’s Landing, because Kevan has acted shrewdly in unifying the Faith and the Throne. That’s a big
“coming attraction” hint. I would think that if the show follows that, Tommen isn’t long for this world, as predicted by the witch that Cersei spoke with as a child. She said Cersei would be queen, until another more beautiful queen showed up (Margeary), that she would have three children, but they would all die, and that her husband (Robert) would have 20 children, none of them hers.


50 posted on 06/20/2016 4:46:47 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: BeauBo; RedWulf

Thanks :). I love the dragons (long time fantasy fan) and look forward to all of them carrying riders.

On the other hand, the longer they put it off, the longer the show goes on. I’m not anxious for it to come to a conclusion.

The only TV I watch along with Supernatural.


51 posted on 06/20/2016 5:04:38 AM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The toy that Davos found belonged to Shireen.

The carved Stag (Baratheon sigil) was a gift from Davos to Shireen before he left. Stannis had sent him on some mission, probably because he knew Davos would stop him from burning his young daughter to death. Davos had a soft spot in his heart for Shireen, the young girl who taught him to read.

52 posted on 06/20/2016 7:28:53 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: MattinNJ
Mad King and Ned Stark’s sister.

Actually, not the Mad King, but, Rhaegar Targaryan. Jon is half-Stark, half-Targaryn. I think he could be a dragon rider; but those other two dragons look a little small. I am now wondering about Tyrion's background, as he walked up to the dragons, touched them, spoke to them, before he released them. Is there a touch of Targaryn in Tyrion? When Tywin Lannister would constantly say that he was no son of his, etc.; perhaps he meant something other than Tyrion being a dwarf?

53 posted on 06/20/2016 7:33:44 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Duchess47

In theory, Jon Snow and Tyrion Lanister if he’s really the mad king’s bastard.


54 posted on 06/20/2016 7:37:20 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: MattinNJ

Apparently HBO did that on purpose.


55 posted on 06/20/2016 7:38:03 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: sphinx

Yara gets her backing for Queen of the iron born, Daenerys gets political points when she says it comes at the cost of the Iron born ending their raiding because all of their victims want it to stop.


56 posted on 06/20/2016 7:39:33 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Pearls Before Swine

If Varys gets Dorne’s support for Daenerys while Dany gets support for the Irornborn queen by saying the crown comes at the cost of ending piracy, she has 2 of the seven kingdoms behind her.
And Kings Landing and others may side with her if Cersei blows up key real estate in a petty squabble.


57 posted on 06/20/2016 7:41:47 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Could uniting “faith and crown” been done to put restraints on the King’s behavior and actions in an effort to prevent another Joffrey?


58 posted on 06/20/2016 7:42:47 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Salamander
"You’d think that “Don’t piss off the chick with 3 dragons” would be some sort of standard rule."

EGGSactly Batman.

It's the whole "Don't Tug on Superman's Cape" argument. And they knew she had the Dragons because in the terms of surrender they wanted her to kill the two under the pyramid.

59 posted on 06/20/2016 9:20:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: trebb; tbw2; Dalberg-Acton; vladimir998; ConjunctionJunction; KC_Lion

Ramsey’s actor agrees:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3650947/Game-Thrones-star-Iwan-Rheon-gives-verdict-brutal-battle-episode.html


60 posted on 06/20/2016 11:25:04 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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