Posted on 07/13/2016 10:32:57 AM PDT by w1n1
Recent advances in technology enable hunters or anybody to take shots at extreme ranges (TrackingPoint), no untrained shooter would even consider shooting an animal at such range.
Video from Extreme Outer Limits highlights hunters successfully making a 1,315 yard shot on a mule deer. These hunters were using a rifle chambered in .26 Nosler using 140gr Berger VLD bullets with a ballistic coefficient of .612 (an extremely aerodynamic bullet).
There's a mixed sentiment conversation taking place out in the online world whether it is ethical or not.
Some comments were: – the bullet duration time of flight taking too long, even for a high end long range cartridge. With the lag time other what could have happened was that the animal could have moved and be struck to only wound it.
– takes most of the "hunt" out of the experience and turns the experience into target practice on live animals. See the video here. What do you all think about this?
If CWII ever breaks out, these sharpshooters who routinely make 1300+ yard shots will be in high demand.
I had a 250+ yd shot many moons ago from my lever 45/70....a whole lot of Kentucky windage came into play - a big fat doe went toes up in the swamp....1 shot...It was one of those deals it was so far away that I couldn’t take my eyes off it without fear of losing sight of it - I pointed my buddy out to it
Plenty of sport in the long range shot under field conditions, but I agree. The target should be a steel silhouette. Not a live animal.
1: If you put out a salt lick for them.
2: If they are in a zoo.
3: If they are pulling Santa’s slay.
There’s hunting and then there’s stunting. His first two shoots luckily were clear misses, what if they hadn’t been? A gut shot deer can travel a long ways before dying and it can take hours if not a couple of days for it to die depending on the actual wound itself. Not much for this type of stunting but I do like that caliber.
What about Elmer Keith’s (in)famous long range 600 yard shot with a .44 magnum pistol! He got the deer.
Not knocking “The Man”,who we all know well was a “Shooter”, but with luck like that,he shoulda bought a lottery ticket??
I like your reply. An “unethical” shot is any shot you’re not certain you can make. That doesn’t mean you can’t ever miss but you should feel confident, with your ego tamped down, that it’s a shot you are very capable of.
I prefer the term ‘ill-advised’ over ‘unethical’ as applied to this discussion but I guess that’s just semantic nit picking.
Subsistence hunting is one thing, you take a shot when you get one, but these guys are just showing off using live creatures as their targets.
I’ve lived on the prairie, I know how big the great wide open is. When you describe how far something is by how many hours it takes to get there rather than miles, you live on the flatlands.
Being an old geezer, I rarely shoot over 50 yds
and usually much less as I tend to hunt where
the cover is thick. I can’t tree hunt anymore
so have to build hides and clear shooting lanes.
Watch the wind and your scent and stay awake.
It’s unethical. This is guys pretending they are Army snipers. They aren’t recovering these animals. And they aren’t hitting where they should. They are hitting “the deer”. Anywhere on the deer will do for these slobs.
The game it they shoot at extreme range, “can’t” locate the animal, conclude they must have missed. Then they save the tag and just keep shooting animals. Cal sportsman again.
WHY do we have to bring ethnicity into it?...damn let the Deer work it out themselves.....uh what?
When you're "shining" them.......
I had an uncle back in the 50's and 60's who was a notorious poacher who lived alone out in the boonies of northern Michigan.
In his defense, even tho he was the town drunk who would frequently get thrown in jail for his bar fights, he only poached deer he was going to eat........
“If you are hunting to eat, there is nothing unethical about the longer range.”
That video wasn’t anyone killing to eat. The money on those rifles, optics, and hunts would buy a year of food. Admit that its sporting, and then be an ethical hunter.
Until the collapse of society, you shouldn’t be shooting if you cant know where on the deer you’ll hit.
These guys were shooting so far they missed the first two or three shots. then one finally connected on a deer....somewhere.
Gutshot, hit a leg, cripple it. doesn’t matter to these guys.
They wouldn’t invited back in the camps I haunt.
Out here in the west they spot you miles away and run off. Can’t make a long shot? No game for you!
“What is the difference between a guy that taking or missing a 100yd shot, which he thinks he can make, and a guy taking or missing a 1300yd shot”
The rational probability that your shot will be inside that 10 inch or so vital zone. Those bozos at 1300 weren’t aiming at a part of the deer, they were just hoping to hit it anywhere. this cripples a lot of animals. That why its unethical.
If you want to play junior sniper, go to thunder ranch or something.
When you have the slightest feeling it will be more than one shot, then a dispatch.
Alternately, when it shows up on Cal Sportsman.
Back in my old muzzle hunting days we’d pack a couple ounces of salt in the load to preserve the meat till we could get there. Our horses could only run so fast.
Where I hunt, Ozarks hard woods, 200 yards is an extremely long shot.
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