Posted on 09/08/2016 2:36:00 PM PDT by AzNASCARfan
I don’t run that ping list. I’m not on it.
In re: preventative laws, I don’t support all of them. I think we have to honestly do a cost/benefit analysis, and change with changing situations/technology, etc.
I drive a taxi. I can have open containers in there. It is not a problem. I don’t support open container laws. I don’t think they are effective in stemming any major problems.
I think with the advent of airbags and etc, mandatory seatbelts should be questioned, at least for adults. The only caveat is, you become a missle in a moving car if you aren’t wearing one. I’d have to think about that point.
I am not for mandatory helmets on motorcyclists. You are just risking your own self truly in that instance.
I am all for blowing things up on your property as long as dangerous explosives are kept from minors or the retarded. Also noise ordinances being reasonably kept.
I am all for buying machine guns if you want one. I think they do more good than harm, particularly as deterrents.
I think meth labs should not be allowed next to my house. I should not have to wait until I am harmed.
Etc.
I think drugs designed to make you irrational, comatose, or hallucinatory should be banned. Unless medically needed. Sorry. It is bad enough if someone is one of the above through no fault of their own. I don’t think it is your “right” to make yourself a potential hazard to other people just because you like it.
Personal freedom by its nature has its limitations, even the most hard core Libertarian will agree to that. It is where those limits lie where we have disagreements. I find Libertarian philosophy inconsistent on this count.
Not many Libertarians would have a caregiver on acid taking care of their senile Dad. Even though Dad didn’t get hurt yet. You realize the danger is too great and you don’t do it. Because you love your Dad. Most of us wouldn’t leave baby in care of a sitter sitting in the living room smoking bowls. Most of us would not want to sit in front of an unbelted 200 pound man in the car, you know. Most of us would object to an unfenced pond in the neighbor’s front yard if we have toddlers. Yet hard core Libertarian philosophy says you must wait until the death or injury occurs. I don’t think that’s biblical, actually, although not everyone cares - and I don’t think it’s right.
Of course the pendulum can swing too far the other way and we end up having to mince down the street in bubble wrap. I don’t advocate that, either.
We have to look at these issues and re-assess when called for and consider the cost/benefit and protect the innocent from measurable threats of harm from those who like to exercise their “liberty” to a degree that truly threatens others, even if somewhat passively like the pond I mentioned.
Hmmm Tobacco is physically addictive (will cause withdrawl pains) and health problems where Marijuana is only psychologically addictive... and I just don’t believe there is nearly enough evidence to say it causes anything more than the munchies and then only if its the right strain... much less brain damage... I am an organ donor, I will donate my brain to be studied to see how much damage was done maybe if somebody is still interested by then.
Yes, Thank you, we have had a very respectful discussion... the mocking part was a comment on a few others in the thread but mostly main stream public conservatives that I really was calling out.
YES on the farce of Medical cards too, there are legitimate card holders and others purely recreational... which is why it needs to be legal and not just medical.
I am simply arguing the conservative point of personal freedom, I don’t think all drugs should be legalized like most libertarians, Just a simple natural plant. I mean its legal to go buy poppy seeds right? The Heroin plant, is legal to grow, Why? because you need to process it to make Heroin I guess. That said, I do believe it needs to be handled some how better than it is now, by criminalizing, jailing, releasing and repeating...
Marijuana is physically harmful, too, you can’t take smoke into your lungs like that and not harm yourself.
But I do think you have some right to risk your own health and etc. To “self harm,” to surf, to climb mountains, whatever.
Just not to the point where you are endangering others. I think making yourself nutty endangers others, as a general rule.
Again I would advocate for using marijuana as food, now, preferably still green form not even dried...
Even as I say that though I would leave the door open that with enough research, there could be things that a medicinal smoke was beneficial for too... If there is a benefit from inhaling man made chemicals like all these inhalers I continually see advertised on the TV. Not to mention, my son had an earache one Christmas and my grandmother told my wife who smoked cigarettes to blow the smoke into his ear... the earache went away about the 3rd time she did it.
As far as acting nutty, well my only response would be I know quite a few people, who have completely reversed their belief about Marijuana after they found out I smoked it recreationally, 25 years ago in my younger work-o-holic days, I averaged a buck an hour raise from the beginning of my drawing career until work ended abruptly in ‘08. My first job at a structural engineering firm in ‘84, was a wake up call to me on the overall mainstream popularity of Marijuana when we had a non official company party and only about 3 of the 12 structural engineers (some were EIT, some registered professionals) abstained, this was a party during my bet to stay away from alcohol... these were well educated people, some designing large commercial projects, Intel facility was first one I worked on, others getting ready to take their structural engineering exam’s, an open book exam they took a suitcase of books in for. I started drawing by hand, for about 8 years and then learned autocad R10 on windows 3.1 at home on a computer I bought to learn it, self taught during a time I was probably smoking a half ounce a week for the record.
Let me clarify that by saying this was not an office of full of stoner engineers... LOL, re-reading that sounded bad, there was probably 85-100 employees at least and maybe 30-40+ engineers of which about a dozen of the younger crowd showed up to this party...
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