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Should Cities Be Allowed to Ban Pit Bulls?
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 9/21/2016 | Jarrett Skorup

Posted on 09/23/2016 11:14:57 AM PDT by MichCapCon

The Legislature is considering a bill that would prohibit local governments from banning people from owning pit bulls. Senate Bill 239, sponsored by Sen. Dave Robertson, R-Grand Blanc Township, has passed the Senate and is being considered in the House.

According to the Detroit Free Press, 26 towns have enacted ordinances that restrict pit bulls and 14 outright ban them and other dog breeds.

It’s true that pit bulls harm more people than any other type of dog. According to one report, they have killed a total of 233 people since 1982. That makes them about 40 percent more likely to kill than Rottweilers — though, when the number of deaths is adjusted to reflect the number of each breed, huskies are actually far more dangerous. Other studies have a slightly higher estimate, with approximately 19 people per year dying because of dogs.

But the question is whether pit bulls are dangerous enough that governments should ban them. While the breed often makes the news, the number of injuries and deaths they cause is still very small.

Evidence suggests that pit bulls are not more inherently dangerous than some other types of dogs. The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) and the federal Centers for Disease Control are both opposed to breed-specific legislation because studies show them to be ineffective and harmful. Other research suggests that while pit bulls are aggressive, other breeds are even more hostile. In other words, pit bulls are only more dangerous because they are bred that way by their owners, meaning local bans just encourage people to train other types of dogs to be violent.

Many cities have ordinances that restrict residents from having any dog that is dangerous or out of their control. This policy is much better than a specific ban on pit bulls or other breeds.


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KEYWORDS: dogs; pets
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To: MichCapCon
The numbers are very small, because sometimes the victim doesn't die.


21 posted on 09/23/2016 11:35:50 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: heylady
I just don’t understand the fascination with pit bulls, but then again I don’t understand a lot about what is happening in the world lately.

While I don't understand the world much either, I don't think it's fair to include pitbulls as a breed into things that have been going on "lately". Pitbulls have been a very common and popular breed long before the country went into the crapper. "Pete the Dog" from the "Little Rascals" was a Pitbull.

Maybe we are breeding the dogs to be more aggressive in this day and age, I don't know.

I've dog-sat a couple pits on occasion and find them to be very good, loyal, and gentle dogs. Their heads feel like they're made of boulders though, so wrestling around with them can be a bit dangerous if his head accidentally catches you in the nose.

And they're a real pain if they happen to get out loose. They don't get caught until they want to get caught.

As for the random "family" pitbull suddenly turning on people, I think that's media overblown.

But I certainly don't object to a locality passing an ordinance one way or the other, where the voice of the local residents carries the most influence.
22 posted on 09/23/2016 11:35:58 AM PDT by mmichaels1970 (Hillary lied over four coffins.)
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To: Carpe Cerevisi
Is your gun prone to going off unprovoked?

Are pit bulls the only dog that go off?

23 posted on 09/23/2016 11:38:13 AM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
Replace "pit bulls" with "guns" and the arguments are the same.

When was the last time your gun escaped from your custody and murdered your neighbor's kid? Or your visiting nephew?

Guns don't have free will.

That said, there may be a useful purpose for pit bulls -- in the cosmetic industry.

24 posted on 09/23/2016 11:40:39 AM PDT by zipper
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

The Memphis pound is going to start not identifying dogs by breed because pepple don’t want the pit bulls


25 posted on 09/23/2016 11:43:25 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Remember the Court)
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To: zipper

Although it may have been inadvertent, you’ve just made the point many of us who oppose breed specific bans also make: it’s the bad owner who makes the bad dog.


26 posted on 09/23/2016 11:43:29 AM PDT by libstripper (oHillary is willing to risk her own life to protect her secretive nature. She would rather go to her)
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To: zipper
Guns don't have free will.

But guns kill thousands per year in the US, much more than pit bulls. They are even designed to be dangerous. Seems to me Big Government needs to step in & protect us all. For the children, and all that.

27 posted on 09/23/2016 11:45:55 AM PDT by gdani
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To: mmichaels1970

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/25/pit-bull-kills-toddler/2113713/

http://www.cbs46.com/story/22066382/toddler-dies-after-pit-bull-attack

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-pit-bull-kills-4-year-old-girl-article-1.1735814

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/10/26/florida.infant.killed/index.html


28 posted on 09/23/2016 11:46:07 AM PDT by zipper
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Years ago I worked in ghetto houses for some reason fixing up homes of welfare rats.

One home had three generations of leaches living there and a drug dealer son who drove a vette. Drug dealer had a pit bull that slept on the outside back porch. At one point, the dog got up and walked downstairs and ripped the legs off a stray dog in the backyard, then he went upstairs and back to sleep. The senior welfare rat started wailing that the dog was going to kill her future welfare rat babies, two young girls that junior welfare rat bore out of wedlock.

Being the compassionate guy that I was, I told her that her drug dealer son had a 22 rifle in his room and if it was loaded, we’d take care of the dog for her. We shot it and threw it in the dumpster.


29 posted on 09/23/2016 11:46:18 AM PDT by cyclotic
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To: MichCapCon

If you can ban pit bulls you should also be allowed to ban muslims.


30 posted on 09/23/2016 11:52:05 AM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA MATTERS)
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To: gdani
I don't accept the premise that pit bull ownership is constitutionally protected.

The problem of vicious dogs need only be left to local and state governments.

My opposition to Big Government does not imply opposition to a social contract.

31 posted on 09/23/2016 11:54:59 AM PDT by zipper
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To: cyclotic

Another heartwarming slum-lord story!

;)


32 posted on 09/23/2016 11:56:38 AM PDT by zipper
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To: libstripper
Although it may have been inadvertent, you’ve just made the point many of us who oppose breed specific bans also make: it’s the bad owner who makes the bad dog.

No, because dogs have free will. Guns don't.

33 posted on 09/23/2016 11:59:53 AM PDT by zipper
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To: MichCapCon

Yes - Pit bulls were bred for fighting and killing. In my opinion, the breed needs to become extinct. Their largest number of fatal victims are children - and that really angers me.

I had one charge me a while back while I was out running one morning. I took on a fighting stance and he veered off that the last second. It was enough to make my heart pound for a while.

Now I carry Pepper Spray in my left hand, with a CRKT spring loaded knife, and a lightweight .357 S&W Mountain Lite in my belly band under a T-shirt when I run.

With two little children at home, if I even see that dog on my street again I will shoot him dead.


34 posted on 09/23/2016 12:00:47 PM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: MichCapCon

yes!!


35 posted on 09/23/2016 12:01:37 PM PDT by ronniesgal ( Go Trump!!! Kick ass and take names!!!)
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To: MichCapCon

The pounds are full of pit bulls that no one will ever re-adopt. This is animal cruelty straight up!


36 posted on 09/23/2016 12:03:47 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: zipper

Myself and a business partner once bought a house in the ghetto of Detroit. The home was structurally sound but cosmetically awful. We bought it for $2000 case in 1986 or so.

We thought that by being good landlords, our tenants would be good tenants. Yea, of course we were wrong. They skipped rent, destroyed stuff, stole stuff, lit the place on fire etc. After the fire, we replaced the kitchen floor tile only to have it destroyed THE NEXT DAY. We sold out to a real slumlord.

From my experience in the slums like that, I have a very jaded attitude toward long term welfare recipients.

In a year of so with that job, I came across exactly one person who deserved long term aid. He worked in a factory and the owner absconded with the pensions funds. He was a producer all his life and through no fault of his own, was left with nothing. He deserved help. Those who live all their lives on a government check should be cut off and forced to make it on their own.

Michigan’s Governor Engler did that. Able bodied men on welfare were cut off. None died of starvation.


37 posted on 09/23/2016 12:08:34 PM PDT by cyclotic
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To: jimjohn
towns should have the right to allow them to be shot on sight by armed citizens.

That's fine, I agree. But what about little kids?

38 posted on 09/23/2016 12:09:28 PM PDT by bankwalker (Does a fish know that it's wet?)
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To: MichCapCon

Yes.

Should people who want to keep pit bulls be allowed to live elsewhere?

Yes.

This could be a niche market opportunity for some contiguous municipal jurisdiction.


39 posted on 09/23/2016 12:09:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The coming of a Cthulhu presidency will be heralded by a worldwide wave of madness.)
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To: MichCapCon

wow so many smart folks here on FR but when we talk dogs we get all fused up
large town we live near does this to pitbulls
they have to be altered
live in a ENCLOSED pen with top covered
when in public must have on muzzle and leased
easy fix men and gals


40 posted on 09/23/2016 12:14:13 PM PDT by curdogmen (we got a dog in this hunt)
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