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Whatever Happened to the Articles of Confederation? Part II
Article V Blog ^ | January 12th 2017 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 01/12/2017 1:41:25 AM PST by Jacquerie

Without a formal league until just a few months before the climactic battle of Yorktown in October 1781, the fledgling independent republics of the Revolutionary War somehow managed to frustrate the most powerful nation on earth. On March 1st, Maryland, under threat of invasion by General Cornwallis, joined twelve other states in confederation. As Maryland illustrated, the first purpose of the confederation was common defense from the English Army and Royal Navy.

The Articles of Confederation (AC) formalized the powers of a pre-existing congress of the states. With one vote each, Rhode Island had as much influence as Virginia. Congress decided peace/war, and foreign policy; it could build and keep a navy, borrow money, ask the states for men and money, and it performed some other duties of a general interest. Considering our experience with Parliament and George III, this was a very generous allotment of authority. However, its exercise was carefully guarded. To carry any measure required a majority of states, and anything of special importance required nine or all of the states.

Along with certain powers granted to congress, others were prohibited to the states. They could not enter treaties, or confederations or alliances, without the consent of congress. The Articles clearly marked the line between powers granted and retained. In comparison with historic leagues among independent republics, the AC framed a model confederacy.

Two important powers, whose absence and necessity were soon evident, were those over taxation and commerce. Combine these shortcomings with the lack of a chief executive, and it was soon clear to many that behind the façade of the AC was no government at all.

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1 posted on 01/12/2017 1:41:25 AM PST by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

Whatever Happened to the Articles of Confederation?

Government under the Articles was superseded by a new constitution and federal form of government in 1789.

This, BTW, is exactly what would happen to our beloved Constitution and our Bill of Rights if there were ever a Convention Of States.


2 posted on 01/12/2017 1:53:02 AM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: Jacquerie

Fascinating read, Jacquerie. Thanks.

History, education, current events BUMP!


3 posted on 01/12/2017 5:49:42 AM PST by PGalt (CONGRATULATIONS Donald J. Trump)
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To: 867V309
The establishment of a central government by the Constitution prevented the re-colonization of America by England, France, or other European powers. Both the English and the French seriously considered intervening on the side of the Confederacy to bolster the former's long standing claim to Canada and the latter's newly acquired Mexican acquisition. The Confederates, however, never won the decisive victory they needed to justify foreign intervention, as the Continental Army did by winning at the Battle of Saratoga. The Constitution also established a common market among the states, not unlike the one Western Europe established in the 1960s and 70s, and a common currency, as Europe did in the 1990s. These things were accomplished, initially without the level of regulations the EU imposed on its members.

However, despite the benefits conferred by the Constitution, the Federal government has morphed into a tyrannical central government dominated by an oligarchy. But for the election of Trump, we could have counted upon a new Clinton Administration inhibiting free speech through controlling the Internet and social media, plus reinstitution of the Fairness Act to shut down talk radio. Hate speech laws would have been used to inhibit politically incorrect speech, as is done in Canada, Britain, and Germany, and a reincarnated Warren Court would have supported these restrictions. Religious freedom would have been inhibited as well, as what was attempted in Houston, with the local authorities wanting to pre-screen sermons, would likely have been attempted on a national basis. We are very lucky, or more correctly, have received an undeserved benefit from Providence.

The Constitution has been a dead letter from the standpoint of limiting Federal authority since the days of the New Deal 80 years ago, when FDR and the Congress massively expanded Federal authority over commerce and industry. It has been a dead letter from the standpoint of war powers, as we have fought four to five wars (depending on whether you separate all Iraq and Afghanistan wars or not) without a declaration of war. We won none of these wars due to stupidity, treason, or indecisiveness.

The Constitution has not worked as an effective governing instrument for over 80 years, perhaps longer, though I see FDR as the real turning point. Perhaps we should look at bringing back the Articles of Confederation, or some looser foundational document.

4 posted on 01/12/2017 7:08:28 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Jacquerie

As I see it, our first Constitution, The Articles, was all we needed, but we did need to provide for an Army and Navy.

This was the open door that led to an entirely new document that proved to be the way to enable big Gubmint, big Biz, big everything!
We traded simplicity and continuity for our present state of being overwhelmed! One crisis after another, w/o end.

Gary North, I believe’s the name of the writer whose book puts it all together.

The Articles, together w/the DOI, and perhaps the Bill of Rights was it! Simplicity and Continuity!

Dick.Gaines: AMERICAN!
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5 posted on 01/12/2017 9:44:48 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: Wallace T.

But for the election of Trump...

Aye, there's the rub of your argument, you just made it against yourself. We have a document that works when the people are educated and care about responsible government.

A Convention Of States won't fix stupid, no matter how much you'd like to believe it would.


6 posted on 01/12/2017 12:04:06 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: 867V309
<>This, BTW, is exactly what would happen to our beloved Constitution and our Bill of Rights if there were ever a Convention Of States.<>

I addressed your concerns here.

7 posted on 01/12/2017 12:33:27 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: PGalt

Thanks PG!


8 posted on 01/12/2017 12:33:44 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: 867V309
You incorrectly assume I favor a Convention of States or a Constitutional Convention. Trump was elected for several reasons, one of which, the Electoral College, we owe to the Framers of the Constitution. The others, however, are extra-Constitutional: the sheer arrogance of the coastal elites, the subsequent alienation of non-elite white Americans, the weakening of the MSM's stronghold over information, and Trump's unwavering courage.

The reason I oppose a Convention of States or a Constitutional Convention is because such an assembly could well be hijacked by leftists to establish a unitary national state, which would then be dominated by liberal big cities. That being said, the Constitution has been ineffective in controlling the growth of government power. The last century, and the first few years of this century, show the failure of the checks and balances.

The United States is too large a nation, and for better or worse, too ethnically diverse, to support a representative republic. The Founders envisioned the future of America as a great nation, but one with a common culture, based on the British heritage of the colonies, and a common religion, Protestant Christianity, though with tolerance for Catholics, Jews, and Unitarians. This is no longer true.

Size is another issue. America now has over 300 million souls within its boundaries. The average Congressional district has over three quarters of a million people. If we were to limit the size of a district to 50,000 people. we would have a House of Representatives of 6,000 members, clearly an unwieldy body. As currently existing, the House of Representatives can no longer realistically represent the general electorate. The passage of the 17th Amendment eliminated the role of the Senate as representing the legislatures and therefore the interests of the constituent states. It now serves as a House of Representatives writ large, with the only benefit being allowing small population states the same number of votes as the big ones.

I don't know of any long term solution to the breaking and diminishing of Federal power within the current framework of the republic. It may be a good thing if the West Coast states (excluding Alaska) or the Northeast and Middle Atlantic states (excluding Pennsylvania) were to secede, although the United States could no longer be as great a world power with the loss of these states.

9 posted on 01/12/2017 1:09:23 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.; Jacquerie

You incorrectly assume I favor a Convention of States or a Constitutional Convention.

My point is that ANY piece of paper, no matter how well written, won't be any better, and will probably be worse than what we have, if it is administered by the same kind of miscreants we seem to want to elect.


10 posted on 01/12/2017 1:32:07 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: 867V309

How then, as per the Declaration, are governments to go about securing unalienable rights?


11 posted on 01/12/2017 1:53:29 PM PST by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

How then, as per the Declaration, are governments to go about securing unalienable rights?

For many years we have carried the stupefying burden of the lying, propaganda media, fully supported by filthy, mendacious politicians. Together, they forged a nearly impenetrable wall of self-serving deceit. But the internet, and the internet alone, has pried a crack in that wall through places like Free Republic and others.

I believe divine intervention played a hand in giving us the blessing of the internet, and we are reaping the reward which is the light of truth. The battle's not won, but it sure has begun.


12 posted on 01/12/2017 2:08:15 PM PST by 867V309 (Lock Her Up)
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To: Jacquerie

Article 4 Free Inhabitant bunp


13 posted on 01/12/2017 2:23:22 PM PST by freedomlover
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To: Wallace T.

“The Constitution has been a dead letter from the standpoint of limiting Federal authority since the days of the New Deal 80 years ago,”

You’re a few years late. Any restraints on federal power were lost around 1865.


14 posted on 01/30/2017 8:08:08 PM PST by Pelham (liberate Occupied California)
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To: Jacquerie; 867V309

The Declaration was an announcement to North American colonials at large, and to interested governments like France and Holland, that the people of British North America were seceding and declaring their independence.

The Declaration didn’t secure any rights. It’s verbiage regarding the origin of rights is to delegitimize any claim that rights originate from Kings and to serve as a justification for rebellion and secession.

Unlike the Declaration,the Bill of Rights did secure rights. And without it the Constitution never would have been ratified. The Anti-Federalists insisted upon it.

And as it was the fears of the Anti-Federalists came to pass anyway. A warning there about what documents can do I suppose.


15 posted on 01/30/2017 8:26:39 PM PST by Pelham (liberate Occupied California)
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