Posted on 04/24/2018 5:49:39 PM PDT by PROCON
We’re nearly in an energy glut and CA forces us to use this crap at inflated rates.
I don't remember that one being in my Elementary School Library where I first came across RAH.
“And the media who scammed us with this renewable crap.”
You know what’s sick ... I’d bet, at the end of the day, the only reason the Ds hate oil is due to political contributions. If “Big Oil” was funding more Ds and less Rs, you’d probably see lots of scientific evidence that car exhaust is the reason why your typical person will live to be 100 ... longer if more gas is consumed by automobiles.
The Democratic Party would tell the Marxist “Green” true believers to piss off if that were the case.
The main point of the article, (explained within), is that despite the lower manufacturing costs of PV and wind, electricity prices are not going down but increasing.
The author cites California, Germany and Denmark as examples.
Marked. Thanks for posting.
Wind and solar are subsidized by tax dollars. Because of this their bus bar cost is essentially zero. Stealing tax dollars is the only way they can be competitive.
One thing that doesn't get mentioned is that the article mentions 3 of the most socialist states in the world and doesn't make any correlations there.
But as others have pointed out, these is all essentially a money making game based off of whatever rules the government is setting. The interest and desire isn't to save the world, it's to make money. At some point the piper has to be paid when the government manipulates the markets, which I think is probably the root of the high prices.
MA incentivize PV panels and now there are so many that it's actually disrupting the grid. Now they're incentivizing battery storage to balance that out. We'll see what problems that produces 10 years from now and how they incentivize the fix for that.
Just wait until Government orders everyone to buy Electric Cars, we’ll need 200% more oil to make all the Electricity
Of course this technology was sold as exactly that, 'saving the world' but ultimately, the 'right' people made big bucks selling it.
Managers, suppliers and controlling interests will continue to make electricity more expensive with or without solar or wind.
If you want out of slavery, install your own alternative power plant and learn to use less energy. Otherwise, you’ll be completely without power after the nukes fly anyway. And consider the fact that the cheap oil supply isn’t infinite, either. There are hundreds of millions more potential drivers in China and India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_There_Be_Light_(Heinlein_short_story)
https://archive.org/stream/Super_Science_Stories_v01n02_1940-05_slpn#page/n35/mode/2up
enjoy!
Teans are making out like bandits on wind.
But nothing lasts forever, never mind the subsidies (can’t blame them for taking them- at least it nade sense there).
From the article:
“Hirth predicted that the economic value of wind on the European grid would decline 40 percent once it becomes 30 percent of electricity while the value of solar would drop by 50 percent when it got to just 15 percent.”
This because when the sun ahines, it shines everywhere. And the same for when it doesn’t. Ditto for wind.
That unreliability has an economic cost.
The low price of Natural gas probably made more of a difference in Texas. NG plants are a perfect match to wind and solar as they start up quick to make up low performance.
No doubt though, wind has been good for Texas. I think it’s about at 20% of their production so it still has a ways to grow.
Maybe your buddy needs a MidNite solar charge controller. It won’t make the system charge batteries at night, but properly installed and configured, it will do a great job of charging the batteries. ...unless, of course, it’s a grid-tied system without batteries.
Shit up idiot
And keep paying your masters
If you want to be free from them
Put in solar
Try to not let the alcohol guide your responses.
That’s what I figure. All this anti-solar hysteria on FR fails to note the great value of self-sufficient power. Being able to run a car off grid is particularly freeing.
I have enough portable solar to take my office anywhere. Liberating.
Just signed up for “virtual solar”, renting 10 panels (about $20/month) on a solar strip mine, likely producing enough to run 1/3 my needs for not much more than regular prices. I like solar (conservatives can be interested in conservation & high tech), and figure the industry needs customers to reach crossover prices.
My thread isn't about anti-solar/anti-renewable, although some have taken that road.
It's about how some countries and California have fooled their citizens, (under the guise of 'saving the planet'), into thinking that these renewable energy sources will reduce their electricity, (KWH) bill. They were scammed and are paying dearly for their trust in government.
Of course folks that do their homework like you and others can use these sources to your advantage and make it financially work.
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