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It's 5150 Time!!!! Sammy Hagar Re-Joins Van Halen ^ | 11-20-03 | my favorite headache

Posted on 11/19/2003 11:14:22 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

Thursday, November 20, 2003

VAN HALEN WILL RETURN IN 2004 - AT LONG LAST!: Van Halen is on the verge of a long awaited comeback. Long tortured fans are about to be put out of their misery, as the band looks ready to fire in 2004. Details are still sketchy as plans are still in the very early stages of development and are therefore continuing to change as issues are sorted through.

Sammy Hagar is set to return to his role as Van Halen's lead vocalist. Original frontman David Lee Roth is not associated with this re-union.

Here's what's been happening, pieced together from a couple of my well known and reliable sources.

It's not clear who initiated first contact. I was told that Eddie & Alex Van Halen called Sammy Hagar, while it was also suggested to me that it was Sammy that called the brothers out of the blue. Either way, contact was established and an attempt to bury the hatchet was made. Sammy Hagar then made a trip to Eddie's house and the 5150 studio. The idea was to see if Sammy, Ed and Alex could in fact put the events of the last 7 years behind them and work together again. It was also a chance for Sammy to hear the material that has so far been written and recorded by Eddie and Alex. I'm told there have since been a few more meetings – which were apparently both good and bad, but issues are being dealt with and a future discussed. Hagar has apparently already told members of his solo band of his plans to re-join Van Halen. Hagar's legal team is already in discussion with Van Halen's legal team.

I was told that bass player Michael Anthony was not present at the first meeting and I am not yet aware of him meeting again with Ed and Alex, who he hasn't talked to for a couple of years now. But I was told that Sammy has insisted that Michael is part of the re-union line-up.

There is no timetable in place as yet for this re-union. As I said, this is still in the very early stages of being developed. A few ideas are still being considered – such as playing a few shows to get things started before recording/finishing a brand new studio album. What is almost definite though are plans for a new studio album – hoped to be ready for mid-2004, but possibly not until late 2004 - followed by a tour.

News leaked overnight of the band's intention to sign a new management deal with Irving Azoff Management. Azoff's office has made the official "no comment" on the matter, but expect this high profile management company to confirm their equally high profile signing soon. Irving Azoff is a well known and powerful manager, who currently has The Eagles, Christina Aguilera, Seal, Jewel and of course Journey on his roster. Azoff has also been Sammy Hagar's solo manager for the last couple of years.

As far as record labels go, Warner Brothers still has a relationship with the band, given that every album they have released has been with the label. I'm told that they will certainly be the first in line to sign the band should everything work out as planned. Irving Azoff also has a strong relationship with the label. Sanctuary Records is being talked about as a possible home for the band, but don't expect that to happen. Hagar had a solo deal with that label, but only for the Greatest Hits Live release and a yet to eventuate re-issue of his solo albums Ten 13 and Not For Sale, which should still happen when the current deal with the two issuing labels for those albums finish.

Not so good news for fans of the Diamond one. David Lee Roth is apparently out of the picture. It seems another attempt to work with him was made after the denied at the time get together in 2000. Once again it didn't work out and the Van Halen brothers have seemingly ruled out any future attempt to work with him. This is the first contact the brothers have had with Hagar since he departed the band in a storm of ill-feeling in 1996.

Planet Us, the all-star project featuring Sammy Hagar, Michael Anthony, Neal Schon, Deen Castronovo and Joe Satriani is all but over – and has been for some time. The project has been left in the hands of guitarist Schon and drummer Castronovo. One rumor is that Neal Schon is still interested in such an album and has another singer in mind. The guys only recorded two tracks together – Vertigo and Peeping Through A Hole – neither of which has been released officially.

There is still more to come. I had planned to gather more information over the course of this week and the weekend, but the leaked news of the Azoff management deal by the music industry website Hits Daily Double has moved the timetable forward. A new Greatest Hits album was one of the rumors leaked in association with the management news. But, to date I have heard no mention of such a plan, unless the band wants to get something into the public's hands while they work on a new studio record. I personally do not see such a thing happening. Could it be time for the Van Hagar CD re-masters to be re-issued?

This is a slowly developing situation and of course, nothing has been announced officially. When this will happen is another major question. The answer is one I hope to bring to you in due course, along with further developments and details of any firm plans that have been put in place. It's nice to be able to bring such positive news to long suffering Van Halen fans. It's news I have the utmost confidence in.

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To: My Favorite Headache
151 posted on 11/20/2003 2:38:00 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: Skooz
A lot of people said the same thing when Sid left ( or was asked to leave - thrown out - whatever). I think they were at their best when they all contributed, albeit with Waters contributing the bulk. But to me the greatest Floyd moments revolved around either Gilmour's vocals (Us & Them being my fav) or his guitar work. That being said his song writing is suspect.
152 posted on 11/20/2003 2:38:03 PM PST by pdunkin
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To: Sabertooth
I fear that may be my tag line for the rest of my days here on FR.

I get alot of posts that are meant for you.

We must educate these ignorant masses.
153 posted on 11/20/2003 4:16:35 PM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, Im SabREtooth.)
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To: meanie monster
Sammy is actually one of the best guitar players in rock, with one hell of a voice. When he joined VH the first time, his guitar skills added a richer sound to the group. Of course, with Eddie's ego being what it is, Sammy didn't last long. Nor did Dave. Nor did that one guy...
154 posted on 11/20/2003 4:20:01 PM PST by rintense
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To: dfwgator
Who from that era is not a cliche? Are you a hunchback or is that your behind on your shoulders. Tis better to be a has been than a never been ; )
155 posted on 11/20/2003 4:21:39 PM PST by Laura Earl (128)
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To: All
Van Halen back? Maiden never went away!

156 posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:45 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: dfwgator
157 posted on 11/20/2003 5:48:49 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: Pappy Smear
Does anybody do concerts in football stadiums anymore?

They would need a football stadium for the necessary distance between dressing rooms - one for Dave, far away from the one for Sammy, one for Michael, all on the other side from the ones for Eddie and Alex.

Having said that, I wish Van Hagar the best.

158 posted on 11/20/2003 6:02:58 PM PST by michaelt
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To: pro libertate
Damn, Steel Breeze - that's a name that I haven't heard in a while. I lived in Sactown in the early 80s, growing up with KZAP.
159 posted on 11/20/2003 6:05:19 PM PST by michaelt
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To: Freebird Forever
160 posted on 11/20/2003 6:28:55 PM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: Dan from Michigan
Standing Hampton was my favorite.
161 posted on 11/20/2003 6:46:38 PM PST by BOBWADE
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To: Charles Martel; L.N. Smithee; pro libertate; My Favorite Headache; StoneColdGOP; BethWoodfin; ...
Good Evening All-

Saw a Van Halen concert in 1986 just after David Lee Roth left the band and Sammy Hagar had joined. He was wearing an absurd tee-shirt with "Dave Who?" emblazoned on the chest. Even then I found it completely childish. I longed for David Lee Roth during that show.

Sammy Hagar is clearly competent, but he will never capture the magical showmanship of David Lee Roth.

In other excellent music news, Rob Halford has rejoined Judas Priest with tour dates being announced soon. These guys took the time to properly resolve their differences and you know Rob, Glenn Tipton, K.K. Downing, Ian Hill, and Scott Travis are going to seriously rock out.

What a fantastic nostalgia trip this upcoming summer might become. My (considerably) younger staff will never figure me out. Ha!

~ Blue Jays ~

162 posted on 11/20/2003 9:38:02 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Gottwnz
LOL. I remember using "sit-shiation" in literature discussions and public speaking at college. Forgot myself completely.

It's been a long time since I heard Nugent, except radio play. I heard him on Radio Hannidy and it sounded like Sean was overwhelmed by Nugent and wife.
163 posted on 11/20/2003 9:58:18 PM PST by sully777 (ad absurdum)
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To: My Favorite Headache
MFH: I got the "Rush in Rio" DVD today and have had a run thru. Incredible. I had seen them on the tour last year (the tour this show was from) and left the concert thinking that it was the best Rush show I had ever seen. They were tighter than ever, and yet totally relaxed in front of an incredibly energetic Atlanta crowd. But later, I convinced myself that it couldn't have been that good ... maybe I was just exagerating based on the fact that I hadn't seen them since the TFE tour, and had come to believe, based on the tragedies that Peart had gone thru, that I would never see them again.

But after seeing this DVD, it is clear that my initial impression was right. They are playing better than ever, and the show had a wonderful energy that I remember from all Rush shows, but especially that last tour. An incredible show, and the crowd in Rio is unbelievable. Anyone that is even a passing Rush fan needs to get this DVD.

Maybe this needs its own thread ... ;)
164 posted on 11/20/2003 10:25:43 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: sully777
And speaking of Hagar taking a musical que from others, will someone tell me why Hagar hasn't been sued by Gary Glitter's people for stealing Rock And Roll for Hagar's Mash Tequila? Same music!

I have to concede you that point. "Mas Tequilas" is a straight rip-off of Gary Glitter's "Rock & Roll Part I."

165 posted on 11/20/2003 10:34:47 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: discostu
VH was a better band with Dave, more fun and the sound worked better with his crappy voice; much like how Black Sabbath was a better band with Ozzy than with Dio.

That's a perfect analogy. Ronnie James Dio is an outstanding rock vocalist, and Ozzy is barely one, but Ozzy's comparably weak and whiny voice was the one that everyone heard when they became fans of the band.

Unless you're AC/DC, when you change the singer, you completely change the group. Look at Motley Crue (who cut one forgotten LP without Vince Neil), Audioslave (formerly known as Rage Against The Machine, minus rapper/lyricist Zack De La Rocha and plus former Soundgarden lead singer Chris Cornell), Genesis (who went from progressive rock to power pop when Phil Collins took over lead vocals from Peter Gabriel) and Fleetwood Mac (ditto, when Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks were signed up).

166 posted on 11/20/2003 10:54:37 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Blue Jays
Of all concerts I've seen during the heavy metal 80's....Priest's music was the only one that mad me go deaf for a few hours.......I loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
167 posted on 11/21/2003 5:23:13 AM PST by geege
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To: Blue Jays; usurper
Thanks for the info B-Jays....and since we're talking the "old school", how about Bob Seger???? Any news on his whereabouts and uptoo's?

Usurper, maybe you'll find this "old school" music talk stimulating.

Rock-on Gentlemen :)
168 posted on 11/21/2003 6:04:37 AM PST by BethWoodfin (Chirishthunder :))
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To: BethWoodfin
Last I saw Bob was racing boats on the Great Lakes.
169 posted on 11/21/2003 6:25:16 AM PST by TomHarkinIsNotFromIowa (Foe Hammer!)
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To: L.N. Smithee
I haven't actively listened to Shmuel Hagar since he was a cantor at his father Rabbi Shlomo Hagar's Reformed Temple Beth Shalom Shwartz straight out of Compton--just kidding (See David Lee Roth's Jewish heritage).

Hagar's songs just appear unannounced like so many bimonthly Rock Line appearances. I hear this song that sounds like mash tequila and like a dope I think that's the title. Mas-Mash: who knew? But it is definitely Gary Glitter's Rock and Roll song.

I'll gladly listen to Hagar if that means one less song from Creed played on the radio. Agreed? Agreed!
170 posted on 11/21/2003 7:25:50 AM PST by sully777 (ad absurdum)
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To: L.N. Smithee
I always think of the Ozzy/ Dio change because of how it evolved. Heaven and Hell is one of the best heavy metal albums in my collection, but I never listen to it when I'm in a Black Sabbath mood and I rarely listen to it when I'm in a Dio mood, H&H has it's own specific mood because it has it's own specific sound. And then Mob Rules the sound has changed even further and it's functionally Dio's first solo album (has nearly an identical sound to Holy Diver and Last in Line).

The only reason AC/DC pulled it off is that Brian Johnson basically immitates Bon Scott, if you've ever listened to interviews with him you'll know immediately his singing voice shouldn't be that high and scratchy (well maybe now after tearing his vocal chords to pieces, back then no). But he seemed to understand that AC/DC had built a sound around Scott's voice and changing the voice would require changing the sound. Changing vocalists, unless the new guy sounds nearly identical, is the equivalent to trading the lead guitar for a balalaika, the band might still make good music but it's not gonna sound the same.

And it got worse with VH because then Eddie got to monkey with his keyboards. I'm all for artisitic freedom but Dave was right when he would remind Eddie that he was a Guitar God and shouldn't be toying with keyboards. Sammy's not nearly as good a player as Eddie (which really isn't a hit on Sammy, Eddie is damn good) and the band lost a lot of oomph with the down grade in guitars and developing more of a keyboard focus. Musically probably a better band, but not the same and not as much raw fun.
171 posted on 11/21/2003 7:45:51 AM PST by discostu (You figure that's gotta be jelly cos jam just don't shake like that)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Unless you're AC/DC, when you change the singer, you completely change the group.

AC/DC's situation was unique, but other bands that are not reliant upon *one* signature voice have pulled off the vocalist switcheroo. Styx got away with it two or three years ago - but the guy who replaced Dennis DeYoung can't measure up. Fortunately, the band has also relied heavily on lead vocals from Tommy Shaw and James Young (JY is now effectively the only remaining member of the "original" band), who have steered the band away from the power ballad stuff towards a harder rock sound. Only Dennis can sing Suite Madame Blue, though.

172 posted on 11/21/2003 8:15:55 AM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Charles Martel
Styx got away with it two or three years ago - but the guy who replaced Dennis DeYoung can't measure up.

When I saw the Styx episode of VH1's Behind The Music I was shocked at how much infighting there was in the band. Apparently, Dennis was yanking the group in a smooth pop/ballad direction, while James Young and Tommy Shaw wanted to keep the focus on rock and roll. When you're a young and unworldly fan, you assume musicians you admire as a group like each other as much as you like them. It hurts a little the first time you discover that in reality, they were constantly at each other's throats.

Glen Burtnik was an able replacement for Tommy Shaw. I thought Edge of The Century was a pretty good album, and loved JY's song "Homewrecker". I often recalled that tune when reading accounts of Monica Lewinsky and Andy Bleiler, with whom she carried on an affair while being nanny to his and his wife's children. It was to the Bleilers that Monica made her infamous comment about going to D.C. to earn her her "presidential kneepads."

173 posted on 11/21/2003 1:14:44 PM PST by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: pdunkin
He may have already started his slide then, but that song appeared on the Piper album when he was really creative, and I think that whole album was a masterpiece. I think those sounds at the end of Bike were supposed to be the gears in his mind turning while coming up with new music and/or lyrics. My take anyway. To me the lyrics on the Jug Band Blues song showed that he was losing it.

Esp the 2 lines:

"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here, and I am most obliged to you for making it clear that I'm not here."

"And I'm wondering who could be writing this song."
174 posted on 11/21/2003 11:25:25 PM PST by gawatchman
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To: My Favorite Headache
Dude, you cant tease me like that. I have looked on the net for any mention of a new Rush tour, but have found nothing. Where did you hear about the April start date, or any other info about the tour? Just wondering...JFK
175 posted on 11/22/2003 5:43:34 AM PST by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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It is not a is being planned out right now. Tour starts in Europe in April and will continue worldwide through October. Trust is going to happen. Neil's new drums are being made as we speak.
176 posted on 11/22/2003 11:36:45 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: spodefly
Good that thread! And watch everyone come in and say Limbaugh played Brazil?

You should have seen Rush In Rio when it was in theaters...amazing. But yes..everyone should pick up this is incredible.
177 posted on 11/22/2003 11:40:37 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Heh, me and my dad were having a talk about how rock and roll was going to die, which made me miserable thinking of the fate...

So, I went on email EVH and told him... Im really depressed about the music today and that Van Halen fans are tired of waiting for a new Van Halen CD. I gave him my birthdate- November 20th.

And this is how he replied me... Amazing on rumor mail... This is going to rock the whole world and as Steve Vai says it Van Halen will sell out the Sahara Desert.

And if you guys look at the New songs on Greatest Hits by DLR, you can see that hes so friggin wasted he cant do one more decent piece.

If you bitch about it... Look around... Limp Biskit, Blink 182, WS? Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala... I consider that shite at the third degree and I want people to be happy.
"Look at all these little kids
takin' care of the music biz
Don't their business take good care of me?
Honey! I'm the one, the one you love
Come on baby show your love"

Van Halen will be back... With 4 years on licks by EVH on the guitar, cello, and piano. With Sammy Hagar's latest CDs shows HE CAN DO IT! His lyrics will pierce your heart. Eddie will play his peak... And Van Halen will never be any better.

I can tell you that the next album if it comes out it will sell at least 12 Million. For all people who are musically disabled keep on fussing about this reunion. But for Hi Qual- Rockers and Real Van Halen Fans this is our time to see rock and roll on for another decade and the death of rap.

Love to see DLR sing Dreams when it goes "Higher and HIGHA!" One word for this- Meltdown. So get ready for the CD of the century.

Yeah, we'll get higher and higher
Straight up we'll climb
Higher and higher
Leave it all behind
Oh, we'll get higher and higher
Who knows what we'll find?

178 posted on 11/22/2003 6:12:44 PM PST by grant101
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To: My Favorite Headache
What a great thread. Have read most of the way through, so thought I'd add the thoughts / observations of an old rocker: rock guitarist since '68; rock music fan for even longer. Think that qualifies me to have an opinion. :)

I ask each of you to think hard.........about how many times you have actually been stopped dead in your tracks by a piece of music. Walking through the house while the stereo (record player?) was playing; driving down the road......and hearing one of those songs that just floors you.

Few have done that to me. The Beatles......Gary Moore.........Eddie Van Halen. Vai may have more training; may even have more skill. I take nothing away from his playing.........but he has never moved me like Eddie has. As has been pointed out above, Eddie Van Halen almost single-handedly revived the rock genre.

Sammy Hagar........hell, I've followed his career since his early work with Montrose. He's twice the singer David Lee Roth is. Roth has talent, but he's the perpetual rowdy teenager. Hagar brought a sense of maturity to the band's music.......and some balls to their vocals. Roth preened; Hagar just rocked. The differences in their music with Hagar were profound, and their CD's / records were far less schlocky than with Roth. Face it; listen now to some early Van Halen stuff.........take out Eddie's incredibly game guitar work........and you have a lot of dreck.

No, this is a damned fine lineup of musicians, and I'm glad they're going to go at it again.

179 posted on 11/22/2003 7:35:55 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: discostu
I always think of the Ozzy/ Dio change because of how it evolved. Heaven and Hell is one of the best heavy metal albums in my collection, but I never listen to it when I'm in a Black Sabbath mood and I rarely listen to it when I'm in a Dio mood

I read that Jim Dandy Mangrum of Black Oak Arkansas was considered to take Ozzy's place in the band.That would have been interesting.He had the long blonde mane and strutted the stage like a rooster long before David Lee came along.He was once quoted "He done me proud"speaking of Dave of course.Been a long time fan of BOA myself.

180 posted on 11/22/2003 8:10:52 PM PST by Uncle Meat
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To: RightOnline
I totally agree. Sammy is Better then David by far. He just has to stop talking about drugs and booze. like Amsterdam or GIVE ME A SCORE OF HEROIN.

OU812 and 5150 was there Albums of Success. F.U.C.K is there rock CD but I didnt find any strength to it when they were trying to badasses of rock.
181 posted on 11/23/2003 7:02:30 AM PST by grant101
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To: Peace will be here soon

Yeah, but Hagar's a Republican.

182 posted on 02/22/2005 11:33:16 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: Pro-Bush

I agree. Sammy was great solo but with VH only mediocre.

But-he's a hell of a guy and a GOP donor, so he can't be that bad...

183 posted on 02/22/2005 11:36:00 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: grumple

Augeri is good, very good. I saw Journey twice, once with Perry in '96 and once with Augeri in '00. Perry was tired and worn out by 1996 but the new guy is energetic (granted, a lot younger too).

184 posted on 02/22/2005 11:43:42 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: discostu
Hagar was great as a soloist, both on guitar and vocals. The album VOA showcases that he is and always was a true Patriot (and a Republican I might add).

Roth WAS Van Halen (Eddie's an awesome guitarist, and also made the band, but it was the VH/Roth combo that made them great). Roth was pretty crappy on his own, IMHO.

185 posted on 02/22/2005 11:45:16 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: RockinRight

Van Halen still around? I thought the tour was over. This was from like a year and a half ago. Sammy is alright, I liked him better as a solo act though.

I saw him last in concert at Busch stadium in 1977 ( or was it 1976?)!!

186 posted on 02/22/2005 8:32:29 PM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: Peace will be here soon

It's over-I was just browsing some old threads.

187 posted on 02/23/2005 5:58:04 AM PST by RockinRight (It's NOT too early to start talking about 2006...or 2008.)
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To: L.N. Smithee

Hagar is way better than Roth as a solo artist. Roth was much better matched to VH though, the chemistry (and music) was much better. Roth solo sucked.

188 posted on 07/11/2005 3:04:30 PM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Old thread...I know...but I was listening to Hagar's VOA last night...several songs on that album are very pro-America...not surprising as Hagar's a lifelong Republican.
189 posted on 11/28/2005 11:20:42 AM PST by RockinRight (Itís likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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