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Barry Bonds: Before & After Photos

Posted on 12/04/2004 8:24:41 AM PST by TRY ONE

Anyone have Before/After Photos of Barry Bonds ---

One photo ~ 20 years ago when Barry was ~ 180 lbs with a hat size of ~ 7 1/2;

And a recent photo showing him ~ 260 lbs with a hat size of ~ 9 3/4;


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: balco; barrybonds; bonds; doping; steroids
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1 posted on 12/04/2004 8:24:41 AM PST by TRY ONE
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To: TRY ONE

nice if they were actually POSTED.


2 posted on 12/04/2004 8:28:45 AM PST by Puppage (I)
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To: TRY ONE
If I recall correctly Barry is about 38 to 40, and that much weight gain happens as one ages. I weighed 120 in high school, 124 when I went in the army, and now 190 at age 62. My metabolism slowed down with age, and now when I smell mash potatoes I go to bed at night and hear the fat glands grow.
3 posted on 12/04/2004 8:30:58 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: TRY ONE

Would really like to see pics--saw something like this before--like night and day


4 posted on 12/04/2004 8:31:52 AM PST by Ft50
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To: TRY ONE
Buncha photos here
5 posted on 12/04/2004 8:32:10 AM PST by martin_fierro (brrrrrr)
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To: GarySpFc

True enough, but check out the dude's bulging 'roid head. I bet your hat size didn't go from a 6 7/8 to a 7 1/2 when you turned 40.


6 posted on 12/04/2004 8:32:29 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: TRY ONE

http://journals.aol.com/cmottram04/ShowMeYourBlog/entries/178


7 posted on 12/04/2004 8:33:11 AM PST by Huck (The day will come when liberals will complain that chess is too violent .)
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To: TRY ONE

My Friends Son took Steroids while Lifting weights.

I read that Children born from a parent who took Steroids can have Clubbed Feet.

My Friends Sons First Daughter has Clubbed Feet.

The Whole Family wont talk about it.

Pretty Sad. We Worship Sports, and Poison ourselves to
Go Beyond what God intended.


8 posted on 12/04/2004 8:33:39 AM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: TRY ONE

Here's a "before".

9 posted on 12/04/2004 8:34:45 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all)
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To: TRY ONE
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10 posted on 12/04/2004 8:34:50 AM PST by cripplecreek (I come swinging the olive branch of peace.)
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To: GarySpFc
that much weight gain happens as one ages

Yeah, right..THAT'S it.

Case closed.

11 posted on 12/04/2004 8:37:03 AM PST by Puppage (I)
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To: LtKerst

I have a relative who used them in his 20's when he was BIG into body building. He developed prostate cancer at age 25.
He was also VERY aggressive when using them and was physically abusive to several girlfriends he had during those years.

I know another guy who used steriods in his 20's (body building). His kidneys shut down and he had a transplant.


12 posted on 12/04/2004 8:37:21 AM PST by Muzzle_em
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To: TRY ONE
There is indeed quite a difference over time:


13 posted on 12/04/2004 8:38:19 AM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: TRY ONE; Puppage


14 posted on 12/04/2004 8:38:23 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: TRY ONE

Here:

http://espn.go.com/

right corner. under barry Photos: Human Growth.


15 posted on 12/04/2004 8:40:07 AM PST by Huck (The day will come when liberals will complain that chess is too violent .)
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To: GarySpFc

Bonds' face is fatter now then it was when he was younger, but that probably could be said of most people.

Is there any proof that his hat size is larger now? If there is, that would end any doubt for me (not that I really have any that he used some form of steroids). I could go by the photos, but photos don't always tell the truth. Besides, it would probably make more sense to use a photo of him a year before he started really mashing the ball for the comparison instead of when he was twenty.


16 posted on 12/04/2004 8:42:00 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: Muzzle_em

The bodybuilders were nuts with the amounts of steroids they used during the sixties and seventies. Many were using doses that would make sense if you were the size of a cow. I'm shocked that any of them are still alive now.


17 posted on 12/04/2004 8:44:23 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: TRY ONE

Hell's bells, I'm bigger than I was 20 years ago, too.(Except I've had a few 'adult beverages' since then! ;~} )


18 posted on 12/04/2004 8:46:53 AM PST by Jackknife (.......Land of the Free,because of the Brave.)
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To: Freepdonia
The bodybuilders were nuts with the amounts of steroids they used during the sixties and seventies. Many were using doses that would make sense if you were the size of a cow. I'm shocked that any of them are still alive now.

Actually, the bodybuilders today are using doses that weren't even considered in the '60's and '70's. Look at the size of some of the top competitors today - they put Arnold's size to shame.

Some of the top women bodybuilders are a little "masculine" as well.

19 posted on 12/04/2004 8:47:37 AM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: LtKerst
I, for one, dont think this steroid thing is a big deal...

Lots of people resort to surgery to sculpt their bodies. We have breast implants and penis implants, and tummy tucks and face lifts and hair pieces. A lot of the best looking people are half plastic.

I have gotten email about substances to enlarge myself. I can get a prescription for a drug that will give me a 4 hour... Oh, never mind.

Why is it anyone's business what substances an athlete takes?
20 posted on 12/04/2004 8:49:48 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Muzzle_em

"His kidneys shut down and he had a transplant."

Yeah, kind of like the NBA's Alonzo Mourning. Oh, and FloJo (Florence Griffith Joyner) just happened to die in her early thirties, I guess from natural causes. Right. Walter Payton too.


21 posted on 12/04/2004 8:52:49 AM PST by raptor29
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To: Freepdonia
Actually, there's no doubt now that Bonds used steroids. He admited as much. However, he also claims he "didn't know" what he was being given by the Balco Boys were 'roids. He apparently wants us to believe he's so stone stupid that he thought the massive mucle mass gain he received was from "nutritional supplements".

My opinion (even though you didn't ask)? He knew, he made a conscious decision, he's a pr!ck, and he should be sent packing now, before there's any "asterisk" controversy when he passes Ruth and Aaron.

22 posted on 12/04/2004 8:55:40 AM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: meyer
Actually, the bodybuilders today are using doses that weren't even considered in the '60's and '70's. Look at the size of some of the top competitors today - they put Arnold's size to shame.

From what I have read about it, they don't use nearly the same level of dosages that they used earlier. IOW, it was overkill back then. The reports I have read are from the bodybuilders themselves such as Tom Platz and Dave Draper.
23 posted on 12/04/2004 8:57:01 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: TRY ONE

Yeh, but his attorney was on tv and said he was rubbing the cream on his body in front of G_d and everybody and he didn't know the cream had steriods, so he isn't responsible.

Case closed.


[lol. Gotta love those paid mouthpieces.]


24 posted on 12/04/2004 8:57:34 AM PST by TomGuy (America: Best friend or worst enemy. Choose wisely.)
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To: raptor29
Right. Walter Payton too.

Payton? Was he any bigger at the end of his career than he was at the start? He always looked the same to me. Not that I would be shocked if he had, mind you.
25 posted on 12/04/2004 9:00:20 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: babygene
Why is it anyone's business what substances an athlete takes?

For the same reason they won't allow corked bats, or vaseline on the ball when pitched, or stick-em on receivers in football, etc., etc. Those are performance enhancers which give an athlete an artificial advantage. It's sports... it's supposed to be about clean, fair competition. Yeah, it's a money making business, but it relies on the fans believing the playing field is level.

Hell, why not allow batters to come to the plate packing guns, and if they get a pitch they don't like, they can shoot the pitchers, then round the bases? Why not allow them to carry the bat all the way around the bases with them? It would certainly make breaking up a double play a lot easier. Again, the idea is to make the playing field as level as possible. Steroid use throws that all out of whack.

26 posted on 12/04/2004 9:01:40 AM PST by Jokelahoma (Animal testing is a bad idea. They get all nervous and give wrong answers.)
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To: Jokelahoma
Actually, there's no doubt now that Bonds used steroids. He admited as much. However, he also claims he "didn't know" what he was being given by the Balco Boys were 'roids. He apparently wants us to believe he's so stone stupid that he thought the massive mucle mass gain he received was from "nutritional supplements".

Yeah, his defense smells really bad, doesn't it? :-)
27 posted on 12/04/2004 9:02:30 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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To: babygene
Why is it anyone's business what substances an athlete takes?

Medical reasons aside (and there's lots of debate on that issue), the issue relates to maintaining a level playing field among the participants in the sport. Bobby Bonds might be a better home runner than Hank Aaron or Babe Ruth, but if his performance was enhanced in a manner not available to the others, would his capabilities really be superior? The rules are there for several reasons, and that's one of them.

28 posted on 12/04/2004 9:03:31 AM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: TRY ONE
I don't know what this proves. Look at his how his father aged here.
29 posted on 12/04/2004 9:03:40 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: Freepdonia
I'm shocked that any of them are still alive now.

Remember Lyle Alzado, he played NFL football for the Broncos and later the Raiders? He was picked up by the Broncos out of Yankton College in SD for practically nothing by the Broncos and made the team. He became a steroid junkie in an effort to maintain a competitive edge. As his football career advanced so did his strange behavior, eventually he left football and, not long after, died of a malignant brain tumor.

30 posted on 12/04/2004 9:04:40 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Freepdonia
Check out the picture series at ESPN's site. It shows photos of Bonds every year from 1988 to 2004, with stats (HR's, RBI's, and AVG) for each season.

Yes, over time Bonds does get bigger and clearly heavier - but with age, most people do. But the increase in his head size and muscle mass are undeniable, and to me, a pretty good indication that he used steroids.

But the other thing about Bonds is that he has, for all of those seasons, put up 30-50 HR's almost every year. You can't explain that through steroid use alone - the guy is a great hitter with a good eye and a beautiful swing. However, that being said, the incredible numbers he's put up over the period from 2000-2004, definitely stretches plausibility unless you accept that he has been using steroids, particularly given his advancing age. Most baseball players see their performance peak from age 28-32 (or thereabouts). For Bonds to put up the most monsterous numbers of his career from age 37-42 is, to say the least, extremely suspicious.

31 posted on 12/04/2004 9:04:47 AM PST by Sicon
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To: Huck

There's a big change from 1999 thru 2001.


32 posted on 12/04/2004 9:04:58 AM PST by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: Freepdonia

Virtually EVERY NFL guy is on the stuff. The biggest joke in this whole thing is the NFL coming out with their 'holier than thou' proclamations about their steroid testing. Every year they pick one insignificant player to be the sacrificial lamb for p.r. purposes and they suspend this guy to show how tough they are on steroid enforcement. The whole league collapses and they start over if steroids are ever dissallowed in the NFL. Baseball has a problem with 'roids, no doubt about it. But the NFL is a complete joke and completely phony on this subject.


33 posted on 12/04/2004 9:04:59 AM PST by raptor29
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To: Freepdonia
From what I have read about it, they don't use nearly the same level of dosages that they used earlier. IOW, it was overkill back then. The reports I have read are from the bodybuilders themselves such as Tom Platz and Dave Draper.

A lot of what they're saying is designed to enhance the image of bodybuilding. But I don't think we're breeding people that much larger today than we were 30 years ago.

I've heard other bodybuilders report differently, but not in more public avenues.

34 posted on 12/04/2004 9:07:02 AM PST by meyer (Our greatest opponent is a candidate called Complacency.)
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To: GarySpFc

Quite right Gary, if fat deposits were signs of steroid use, I'd be typing this from a maximum security steroid detox unit. LOL


35 posted on 12/04/2004 9:07:07 AM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
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To: Freepdonia

Also, Marion Jones didn't put on incredible amounts of mass, just some. But Payton and others were really 'cut' and that muscle definition doesn't just come naturally.


36 posted on 12/04/2004 9:10:26 AM PST by raptor29
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To: Ft50
"Would really like to see pics--saw something like this before--like night and day"

- Yeah, me too - some guy named Ruth who started out slim as a rake and ended up looking like a sack of turds tied in the middle. His home runs kept going up with his girth so I figure it had to be steroids.
37 posted on 12/04/2004 9:11:41 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: GarySpFc

Man, tell me about it. I'm 58. I try not to gorge myself, but I finally just quit getting on the scale. I can tell by my clothes I've lost a little, and whether or not I get on the scales there seems to not be a lot I can do about this fatty arbuckle thing I've got going on. When I was 20, I weighed 117-118 lbs., then it worked up to 165 by the time I was 40. I've lost 25 lbs. since then a couple of times, only to gain it back by looking at something fattening. Now, I don't know what I weigh. I suspect about 165 (though I've been up to 179 a few months ago). Also, some of the blood pressure meds I take list weight gain in the side effects. Oh, and I'm a woman which probably makes it worse. However, at my age, I am not enthusiastic about starving or doing without carbs just so I can still look like Miss Piggy even after dieting. :@(
And, I just got tired of asking an inanimate object (the scales) whether or not I can be happy today.


38 posted on 12/04/2004 9:12:32 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: GarySpFc

LOL. Me, too. The years have given me two diseases. One is furniture disease: my chest dropped into my drawers. The second is dickey-do disease: my stomach sticks out further than my di** do.


39 posted on 12/04/2004 9:13:13 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: Freepdonia

At one time I trained with a man who was a world champion power lifter in the 181 pound class. I never understood why I didn't develop the strength that he did. He wound up in the hospital when his liver ceased functioning.
The doctors were mystified about his condition until he informed them that he was using Dyanabol {sic}. He lived and I understood that his being 5'2" tall and having a muscular walking weight of over two hundred pounds wasn't normal. I found another training partner.


40 posted on 12/04/2004 9:17:51 AM PST by em2vn
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To: meyer; Jokelahoma
"the issue relates to maintaining a level playing field among the participants in the sport."\

First of all, you have to realize that professional sports is just "show biz", nothing more...

Olympic athletes are so highly engineered that it also has little to do with natural ability.

Your argument is bogus.
41 posted on 12/04/2004 9:20:33 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: JeeperFreeper

Not to mention the dreaded "Dunlap's Disease"...my belly has dun lapped over my belt.


42 posted on 12/04/2004 9:22:30 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: BluH2o

Lyle Alzado went to my old high school in Lawrence, N.Y. where he was a tall skinny kid and played defensive end with abandon ! He is a good example of why steroids can kill as they did him and he openly admitted it. It's a shame how some "cash in their bodies" making the big bucks and have to live (or die) with the consequences later.


43 posted on 12/04/2004 9:23:01 AM PST by Searching4Justice
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To: finnigan2

Beginning in 2000, at age 35/36, the newly bulked-up, BALCOed-up Barry began producing monstrous, drastically higher slugging numbers. This does not happen normally. Ever. In the history of baseball.

In his first 14 seasons, Barry had averaged about 31 HR, slugging % in the mid .500s, batting avg. in the upper .200s. In the last 5 seasons, beginning at age 35, BALCO Barry has averaged 52 HR, with slugging % in the upper .700s, and batting avg. in the mid .300s. This does not happen.

Compare Bonds with the other three top HR hitters in baseball history, their five seasons starting at age 35, in HR, slugging, and batting:

Ruth (1930-34): 49, 46, 41, 34, 22/ .732, .700, .661, .582, .537 / .359, .373, .341, .301, .288
Mays (1967-71): 22, 23, 13, 28, 18/ .453, .488, .437, .506, .482/ .263, .289, .283, .291, .271
Aaron (1970-74): 44, 38, 47, 34, 40/ .607, .574, .669, .514, .643/ .300, .298, .327, .265, .301
Bonds: (2000-04): 49, 73, 46, 45, 45/ .688, .863, .799, .749, .812/ .306, .328, .370, .341, .362

From age 35 on, Ruth experienced a steady decline every year. Mays had mediocre, below-normal seasons all five years. Aaron held close to his career averages. Only Bonds had dramatically better years all five seasons than he had ever had before. Starting at age 35! This does not happen.

Look where Barry was the two seasons prior to his power surge, at ages 33/34 and 34/35:

1998: 37, .609, .303
1999: 34, .617, .262

About 35, .610, .280 . . .This is what you would expect from a very good player beginning the downward glide path. But then, all of a sudden, for the five seasons after that, numbers like 52, .780, .350?! Come on!


44 posted on 12/04/2004 9:24:59 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Junk Bonds.)
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To: babygene

"professional sports is just "show biz", nothing more..."

If what you're saying is true, then every game in the NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB is orchestrated and the outcome preordained. You are seriously arguing that there is no competitive difference between Major League Baseball and the World Wrestling Federation? What evidence do you have of this?
And you are calling someone else's argument "bogus"?


45 posted on 12/04/2004 9:26:28 AM PST by Luddite Patent Counsel ("If you accumulate enough layers of superficiality, that's pretty much the same as having depth")
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To: GarySpFc
If I recall correctly Barry is about 38 to 40, and that much weight gain happens as one ages. I weighed 120 in high school, 124 when I went in the army, and now 190 at age 62. My metabolism slowed down with age, and now when I smell mash potatoes I go to bed at night and hear the fat glands grow.

Bonds is an ATHLETE don't know about you

I weigh ten pounds less than I did in college
I am 6 ft 160 at age 68
In college I was 6 ft 170 ( 6% body fat )

Unfortunately the ten pound less is ten pounds less muscle
46 posted on 12/04/2004 9:27:09 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Huck

Looks like he started in 94-95 to me. The change in his face in those years is undeniable.


47 posted on 12/04/2004 9:29:20 AM PST by rintense
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To: TRY ONE

wrestling is real, baseball is fake.


48 posted on 12/04/2004 9:30:30 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
"What evidence do you have of this?"

Their multimillion dollar salaries for starters...
49 posted on 12/04/2004 9:31:29 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Sicon
For Bonds to put up the most monsterous numbers of his career from age 37-42 is, to say the least, extremely suspicious.

Without a doubt, Sicon.

Check out the picture series at ESPN's site. It shows photos of Bonds every year from 1988 to 2004, with stats (HR's, RBI's, and AVG) for each season.

Thanks for the head-sup.
50 posted on 12/04/2004 9:31:33 AM PST by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours! (I told you so :-))
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