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Slant Magazine "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith" review. (movie is anti-Bush)
Slant Magazine ^ | Ed Gonzalez

Posted on 05/06/2005 7:38:34 PM PDT by wallace144

I imagine that Revenge of the Sith is very much the film Lucas's fans want to see, but are some of them ready for an anti-Bush diatribe? Though every Star Wars film until now has existed in an insular comic-book world, a lot has happened since 1999 and 2002 in the real world and Lucas dares, for the first time, to address how the hollow political conflict in his franchise correlates with the reality outside its panels. (It would have been stupid not to strike a parallel.) Revenge of the Sith's two greatest moments tap into the uncertainty of our own political climate: the dazzling battle between Yoda and Darth Sidious (an outstanding Ian McDiarmid) inside the beautifully spiraling Senate hall evokes Democrats and Republicans scrambling for power and the with-us-or-against-us Anakin's obscenely over-the-top final duel with Obi-Wan (Ewan McGregor) is prefaced none-to-subtly with the Jedi master declaring, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Lucas's political gestures would be easier to appreciate if he himself didn't trade in absolutes and generalities (you know the drill: the darker the couture, the closer you are to the dark side), but it's still a welcome step forward. Pity we had to wait so long for it, but, as they say, better late than never.

(Excerpt) Read more at slantmagazine.com ...


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1 posted on 05/06/2005 7:38:35 PM PDT by wallace144
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To: shanscom

my thoughts exactly.


3 posted on 05/06/2005 7:42:19 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: shanscom

Well, we could always play the "who is this character supposed to be" game. LOL!


4 posted on 05/06/2005 7:44:44 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: wallace144
Man, even Star Wars mini-writeups are boring. No wonder I can't remember any of the plotlines, or characters, between movies.

They're just not That Big A Deal.

5 posted on 05/06/2005 7:45:05 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: wallace144

I have never seen any Star Wars movie and I never will. From the hundreds of clips I've seen over the last three decades, it appears to be geared for 10-year old boys. I never understood the big deal.


6 posted on 05/06/2005 7:45:11 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: shanscom

The remark about "absolutes" simply reflects Lucas's bogus-mysticism. Move on nothing to see here.


7 posted on 05/06/2005 7:45:16 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: wallace144
Oh come on.
8 posted on 05/06/2005 7:45:25 PM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: ozzymandus

Your loss.


9 posted on 05/06/2005 7:45:56 PM PDT by silent_jonny
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To: shanscom

Actually Lucas did the same political message with his first three, but managed to make the Jedi so deadly dull in the process that Darth Vader was actually the most interesting (and often secretly admired) charactor in the first three movies.


10 posted on 05/06/2005 7:46:18 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: wallace144; Corin Stormhands; Ramius; ecurbh; All

ohfercryinoutloud.


11 posted on 05/06/2005 7:47:08 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: shanscom

we could easily say it is anti clinton in bosnia if it had come out in the 90's.

sometimes a cigar is a cigar.


12 posted on 05/06/2005 7:48:14 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wallace144

LMAO, the Bush haters can't even attend a movie anymore without perceiving some ridiculous back-handed affirmation for their Bush hating mental illness?! It's a Sci Fi movie but they somehow have to incorporate their own sickness into the movie to feel better about themselves! How pathological are these people?? They go to a Star Wars movie and read into Lucas' hackneyed dialogue affirmation for their pathetic Bush hating mental illness?? Do their diseased minds even possess the capability of freeing themselves even for 2 hours from their roiling Bush hate?? Good gosh, get these people some therapy! I'll put it on my credit card!


13 posted on 05/06/2005 7:48:40 PM PDT by MikeA
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To: ozzymandus

That's okay. I'm not a 10 year old boy and I like them. But then there are probably movies that you like that I don't.


14 posted on 05/06/2005 7:48:40 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair
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To: silent_jonny

Agreed. This is dumb.


15 posted on 05/06/2005 7:49:18 PM PDT by juggernaut
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To: wallace144

Oh come on.


16 posted on 05/06/2005 7:49:20 PM PDT by TBarnett34 ("Unnngh!" -John F'n Kerry, 11/2/04)
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Look at where this review comes from...Slant magazine. One of the most left-wing websites on the internet. Any movie that has a bad-guy in it is a allegory towards the Bush administration, according to Slant. This reviewer completely de-legitimizes his whole review with this garbage.

Lucas planned out the plot for Episode 30 years ago. If John Kerry had won in 2004, the plot for Revenge of the Sith would have been exactly the same. Would Mr. Gonzales still have written the same review, complaining about Kerry? Of course not.

I am a huge Star Wars fan, but like many people, I felt disappointed in the first and second prequels. This third prequel is getting rave reviews so far. It looks like George Lucas has redeemed himself. Give this new movie a try. It will remind you of the original trilogy.


17 posted on 05/06/2005 7:49:54 PM PDT by Tester10
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To: wallace144

I never woulda guessed that Dubya was such a badass Evil Sith master! Hope he meets up with Kim Jong Il and Osama and slices them in half with his lightsaber!


18 posted on 05/06/2005 7:55:15 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Tester10

hmmm, perhaps he is one of those garage virgins whom "evil" shatner asked if they had ever kissed a girl. (old SNL skit)


19 posted on 05/06/2005 7:55:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MikeA; Zeppelin; shanscom

Don't be so sure. I mean, I don't think that the movie as a whole will come across as identifiably anti-Bush; Lucas surely wouldn't risk pissing off an audience looking for nothing but a couple of hours of escapist entertainment by beating them over the head with his far-left San Francisco politics.

But I don't see how this one line of having a bad guy basically quote Bush word for word with the 'with us or against us' bit and having it rebutted by the good guy can't be taken as a small, but deliberate shot by the San Fran liberal against Bush. I mean, why use one of Bush's most famous quotes if this is not the intention?


20 posted on 05/06/2005 7:57:04 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Dreagon

I agree with you about Darth Vader. The Empire Strikes Back was far and away the best of the series so far. As for the review, just for the record I posted it for discussions purposes. I don't know if it is anti-Bush or anti-anything for that matter because I haven't seen it (obviously).


21 posted on 05/06/2005 8:00:32 PM PDT by wallace144
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To: wallace144

More review excerpts from rottentomatoes.com

Lucas couldn’t resist the temptation to impose his political views on the audience, especially since they are so Hollywood. During the climactic battle between Darth and Obi, Darth says, “If you are not with me…you are not for democracy.” Obi responds, “Only a Sith would deal in absolutes.” Grow up, George. While you had apparently stacked the screening audience with your employees (cheers went up for the opening titles, as well as for these lines!), hard as it may be fore you to believe, nobody cares how George Lucas feels about George Bush and Iraq. You are making a comic book entertainment and you demean your product by advertising the comic book level of your political opinions.

-- Tony Medley, TOLUCAN TIMES

One of the most surprising elements of this film is Lucas' political statement. "Any one that's not with me, is my enemy," Anakin says at one point, paraphrasing the famous line from a George W. Bush speech. "Only a Sith believes only in absolutes," Obi-wan replies. "So this is how liberty dies,” Padmé points out in another scene as Senator Palpatine is laying out his new political strategy. “With a round of applause."

-- Scott Nash, THREE MOVIE BUFFS


Lucas' screenplay is his strongest in years, and even contains a few barely-concealed critiques of the Bush Administration and the Iraq War. The commentaries on democracy are offered in direct counterpoint to a government that is clearly overstepping its bounds, and the parallels are obvious to anyone looking for them. While Bush might not be an evil emperor (yet), it's not that far a trip from Senator Palpatine to Tom DeLay.


-- Gabriel Shanks, MIXED REVIEWS

I imagine that Revenge of the Sith is very much the film Lucas's fans want to see, but are some of them ready for an anti-Bush diatribe? Though every Star Wars film until now has existed in an insular comic-book world, a lot has happened since 1999 and 2002 in the real world and Lucas dares, for the first time, to address how the hollow political conflict in his franchise correlates with the reality outside its panels. (It would have been stupid not to strike a parallel.) Revenge of the Sith's two greatest moments tap into the uncertainty of our own political climate: the dazzling battle between Yoda and Darth Sidious (an outstanding Ian McDiarmid) inside the beautifully spiraling Senate hall evokes Democrats and Republicans scrambling for power and the with-us-or-against-us Anakin's obscenely over-the-top final duel with Obi-Wan (Ewan McGregor) is prefaced none-to-subtly with the Jedi master declaring, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes." Lucas's political gestures would be easier to appreciate if he himself didn't trade in absolutes and generalities (you know the drill: the darker the couture, the closer you are to the dark side), but it's still a welcome step forward. Pity we had to wait so long for it, but, as they say, better late than never.

-- Ed Gonzalez, SLANT MAGAZINE


22 posted on 05/06/2005 8:05:39 PM PDT by Mentos
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To: silent_jonny

Yeah, but I can live with it.


23 posted on 05/06/2005 8:06:21 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Aetius

Honestly, I could care less. The basic plot arc of the Emperor's rise to power is very plausible in any government and in any time. I don't find anything particularly set on anti-Bush (though Lucas may be intending it that way), it's just a plausible way to bring the audience into an implausible universe.

And what's with this Ed Gonzalez's fascination with penises and perverts? These commies could sexualize anything, I swear...


24 posted on 05/06/2005 8:06:50 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Mentos

Great post!


25 posted on 05/06/2005 8:10:25 PM PDT by wallace144
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To: dr_who_2

WI felt like I was watching some pathetic attempt and combining CSPAN with video game during Satr Wars I and II. I'm glad to hear this third movie has some excitement in it. As for the politics you suggest, have another look at Star Wars II. One of the main characters has a line that goes something like, "When people are not willing to fight for democracy, all is lost..." Of course, that movie came out on the heels of 9/11 and big ideas like human freedom and representative democracy were even popular with the left.


26 posted on 05/06/2005 8:11:30 PM PDT by Firefox1 (Politics in Star Wars Movies)
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To: Dreagon
Actually Lucas did the same political message with his first three, but managed to make the Jedi so deadly dull in the process that Darth Vader was actually the most interesting (and often secretly admired) charactor in the first three movies.

Why be secret about it?

Vader '08: In Your Heart, You Know He's Right


27 posted on 05/06/2005 8:13:12 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (Proud Member of the WPPFF Death Cult - We're coming after YOU next!)
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To: Mentos

So basically, Lucas is trying to imply that we as Republicans are on the dark side.

To this I say: so what? The dark side is cooler anyway.

I mean honestly, anyone who isn't a fool would take the Sith over the Jedi anyway. I'd much rather throw around lightningbolts and cruise around in Star Destroyers than throw around a bunch of flower power idealistic garbage.


28 posted on 05/06/2005 8:13:58 PM PDT by SunnyD1182
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To: Tester10

"Lucas planned out the plot for Episode 30 years ago."

Only vaugly in his mind. This was not a series that had 30 years of planning put into it, which the first two movies clearly show.


29 posted on 05/06/2005 8:14:34 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: wallace144
Lucas is from the dark side...
Star Wars is dark side propaganda...
/ tinfoil Jedi badge..
30 posted on 05/06/2005 8:16:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: wallace144

This statement by Obi-Wan sounds a bit similar to one he made in Return of the Jedi. He said something like "Many of the truths you cling to depend greatly on your own point of view." Which sounds quite a bit like relativism.


31 posted on 05/06/2005 8:16:16 PM PDT by ConservativeTeen
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To: HairOfTheDog; Ramius; ecurbh; Bear_in_RoseBear
the beautifully spiraling Senate hall evokes Democrats and Republicans scrambling for power...

Oh good grief.

Like, in all of history the only groups to have ever struggled for power were Democrats and Republicans...

Hollywood being "anti-Bush" is no surprise (if this movie even is).

I just care about this being anti- Jar Jar.

32 posted on 05/06/2005 8:18:56 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (It's 5 O'clock somewhere...)
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To: SunnyD1182

"To this I say: so what? The dark side is cooler anyway. "

No kidding. Lucas had to kill Vader off because if he had of lived after throwing the emporer down the shaft...he would have probably kicked Lukes ass for throwing his lightsaber away when facing a Sith Master. I can see it now...

Vader: Who the hell taught you to do THAT!!
Luke: (whining) Well, Obi Wan did it!!
Vader: And then he DIED! Remember that part?
Luke: Well, Yoda said not to give in to anger, he would have approved.
Vader: Are we talking about the little green guy who talked backwards and DIED in a swamp? That Yoda?
Luke: Well I'm sure other Jedi understood.
Vader: You mean all the other DEAD PEOPLE!!! ARE YOU NOTICING A TREND HERE, LUKE??? SHEESH, MAYBE THIS SISTER OF YOURS HAS MORE BRAINS!
Luke: That would be Leia
Vader: You mean the chick who dresses up in metal bikinis and hangs out with giant slugs??? That cinches it, Padme must have been sleeping with Jar Jar because there is no way you to cartoon charactors are kids of mine >:(


33 posted on 05/06/2005 8:22:38 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: Sofa King

You are correct, sir. Lucas's "plan" was a hazy outline on a yellow legal pad. Even if one didn't read up on this it's pretty clear that he hadn't planned this whole thing very well. Recently he admitted that Eps. 1 and 2 each had "20% plot, the rest filler" while this one has 60% of the plot needed to pull it all together. I he could have only gotten over his silly need to look like he had this planned all along, ditched the old numbering system, and made all three of these into one GOOD movie, cutting out the little kid and introducing the adult Anakin, he could have had something, and then leaped ahead past the end of Jedi. But I've already thought more in this post than Lucas has in the entire script for the first one so I'll stop. :)


34 posted on 05/06/2005 8:23:13 PM PDT by Darkwolf (Jean Shepherd audio: http://www.flicklives.com/Mass_Back/mass_back.htm)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I just care about this being anti- Jar Jar.

LOL, I'm with you on that one.

35 posted on 05/06/2005 8:25:08 PM PDT by ecurbh (Got horse milk?)
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To: wallace144

It is amazing what some people will imagine and interpret. Having read the novelization of the movie I can confirm that it is NOT anti-bush. The only parellel is the one that existed since the first movie: Leader brainwashes people (largely based off Hitler and how he came to power) and stokes up nationalism to distract the masses away from his own aims and other problems, this is what every tryant has done ever since the invention of Fascism and Communism.


36 posted on 05/06/2005 8:26:16 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Corin Stormhands
I just care about this being anti- Jar Jar.

LOL I agree!

37 posted on 05/06/2005 8:27:54 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Dreagon
Vader: You mean the chick who dresses up in metal bikinis and hangs out with giant slugs??? That cinches it, Padme must have been sleeping with Jar Jar because there is no way you to cartoon charactors are kids of mine >:(

Luke: No! You mean...

Vader: Exactly. Luke. -- I am not your father.

38 posted on 05/06/2005 8:28:29 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: wallace144

Lucas is very left and he throws a lot of leftist hints in his movies, especially the latest trilogy. For instance, Nute Gunray who came from a race that lived the "survival of the fittest", where those that couldn't compete were left to starve. (Liberal idea of a Republican nirvana)

And the reason the Trade federation started the problem with Padme's world was they didn't want to pay their fair share of taxes.

And of course, there is lots in the latest movies on how great planets who work together (United Nations) are enlightened, while all problems should be 'talked' out by reasonable people. And in the first movie a Clintonite president is "falsely accused" of corruption. And there's lots more.

However, I've noticed that the more Lucas gets enmeshed in that garbage the worse the movies get. The original trilogy, which is not so skewed and more traditionalist in philosophy, is far superior.


39 posted on 05/06/2005 8:28:58 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: wallace144
For your Next Project, I suggest a trenchant socio-political analysis of Beanie and Cecil.
40 posted on 05/06/2005 8:29:48 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Corin Stormhands

41 posted on 05/06/2005 8:31:37 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Paul_Denton

Most movie critics are failed movie students. Most movie critics are also notoriously liberal. Its natural that these morons would try to find modern-day political comments in a movie they like. It helps justify their acceptance of the movie. Its pathetic.

Earlier, someone quoted several reviews so far, all of which claim that Lucas is making a political comment in Revenge of the Sith. Dont believe it. Hell, I could take quotes from reviews of Gone with the Wind, and taken out of context, they would sound like commentary on the Bush administration.

There is no intended anti-Bush commentary with Revenge of the Sith. I read the screenplay. I saw the movie last night in Los Angeles. Get over it.

BTW, the movie rocks. It was alot of fun.


42 posted on 05/06/2005 8:33:46 PM PDT by Tester10
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To: Kirkwood

43 posted on 05/06/2005 8:35:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Dreagon
For that, you get an Oscar! ROFL!

If anyone has read the book, the Republican Senate reminds me of our current government..total corruptness.

44 posted on 05/06/2005 8:35:51 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (Freedom is worth FIGHTIN FOR, for if we don't fight for it, we WILL lose it!)
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To: Aetius

i could be wrong, but i don't think that Bush is the first leader in history to say "you're either with us or against us."


45 posted on 05/06/2005 8:37:22 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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To: Tester10

Lucas's Star Wars movies are general allegories, that could relate to any era. For example, if you saw this movie two thousand years ago, you might think it relates to the Caesars and the Roman Empire. If you saw it 70 years ago, you might think it relates to Hitler's rise to power. The only political comment in Star Wars movies are the comments viewers bring to the movie in the first place. If you are desperate to find a political comment in Revenge of the Sith, you will find it.


46 posted on 05/06/2005 8:39:50 PM PDT by Tester10
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To: Zeppelin

Good point Aetius,

How many times did Winston Churchill make that statement, in one form or another?


47 posted on 05/06/2005 8:40:48 PM PDT by Tester10
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To: Kirkwood

48 posted on 05/06/2005 8:43:23 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: MikeA

The Bush haters are utterly delusional, and incredibly desperate. It is pathetic beyond belief.


49 posted on 05/06/2005 8:44:52 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: Tester10
Most movie critics are failed movie students. Most movie critics are also notoriously liberal. Its natural that these morons would try to find modern-day political comments in a movie they like. It helps justify their acceptance of the movie. Its pathetic. Earlier, someone quoted several reviews so far, all of which claim that Lucas is making a political comment in Revenge of the Sith. Dont believe it. Hell, I could take quotes from reviews of Gone with the Wind, and taken out of context, they would sound like commentary on the Bush administration. There is no intended anti-Bush commentary with Revenge of the Sith. I read the screenplay. I saw the movie last night in Los Angeles. Get over it. BTW, the movie rocks. It was alot of fun.

Yep I know, read the novel as I said. I agree. I cannot wait to see it.

50 posted on 05/06/2005 8:45:56 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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