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Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down: Pain for Pleasure
ABC ^ | 5/9/05 | Charlotte Sector

Posted on 05/19/2005 6:41:02 PM PDT by pissant

"Nurse Nasty," "Wicked Doctor," "The Prison Matron" … not the usual way to introduce yourself, but in the leather-clad world of sadomasochism, naughty is nice.

And pain is pleasure.

"I need stimulation and get a terrific high from playing rough," said Allena Gabosch, 52, a Seattle-based "bottom," meaning she's the one on the receiving end of spanking. The buxom, tattooed, alternative sex activist finds pain play very seductive but, "I still ask for Novocain at the dentist's office."

While most couples don't need whips, paddles or ropes to get in the mood, a minority find sadomasochism, or S&M, erotic. They like to explore the fine line between pain and pleasure to escape from reality, test their endurance, experience a spiritual high or simply to act out fantasies and fears.

The pain can be real, but the goal isn't injury or broken bones. And despite the early belief that smacks in the sack led to mental illness, psychologists say that S&M practitioners are just as well-adjusted as the average person.

Slap Me for Pleasure

Sex or lovemaking is about feeling good, so what feels good about pain?

"People clearly want fictionalized pain for attention and symbolic effect," said Roy Baumeister, professor of psychology at Florida State University and author of "Masochism and the Self." S&M helps people temporarily lose their normal identity and focus on the flashes of pain, he said.

Baumeister described S&M pain as separated from its biological function. "It's no longer about warning you of injury, it's about escaping yourself."

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1 posted on 05/19/2005 6:41:03 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Sorry,I just can`t begin to understand this kind of thing.


2 posted on 05/19/2005 6:43:38 PM PDT by carlr
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To: pissant
I wonder what their [S&M practitioners] mortality rate is compared to the rest of the population.

5.56mm

3 posted on 05/19/2005 6:43:51 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Xenalyte

Bring your friends PING


4 posted on 05/19/2005 6:43:53 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant
"I still ask for Novocain at the dentist's office."

And I don't provide it to her. She can ask, beg, and plead, but I decide.

5 posted on 05/19/2005 6:44:10 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: pissant

I'm a big believer in pleasure for pleasure.


6 posted on 05/19/2005 6:44:38 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: carlr

As long as I get to deliver and not receive...


7 posted on 05/19/2005 6:44:57 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

This woman is 52, for crying out loud.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 6:45:05 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: pissant
...psychologists say that S&M practitioners are just as well-adjusted as the average person.

Puh-leaze.

9 posted on 05/19/2005 6:45:17 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: theDentist

You cruel dentist. rip them molars right out sans novacain!


10 posted on 05/19/2005 6:45:54 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: Petronski

Can I fluff yer pillow for ya?


11 posted on 05/19/2005 6:46:27 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant
Can I fluff yer pillow for ya?

Thanks, but I have someone for that now, and she's cute as a button!

12 posted on 05/19/2005 6:47:53 PM PDT by Petronski (A champion of dance, my moves will put you in a trance, and I never leave the disco alone.)
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To: M Kehoe

I think most of the S&M folks are pretty non violent. Red butt cheeks is about it.


13 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:01 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

14 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:16 PM PDT by maggief
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To: Trinity_Tx

ouch PING


15 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:24 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

is 52 OLD?


16 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:48 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: theDentist
"I still ask for Novocain at the dentist's office."

And I don't provide it to her. She can ask, beg, and plead, but I decide.

You are a bad, bad boy........

17 posted on 05/19/2005 6:48:53 PM PDT by tioga
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To: maggiefluffs

Is that your pic Maggie? Got some J-Lo goin on.


18 posted on 05/19/2005 6:49:30 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant
The buxom, tattooed, alternative sex activist

 


19 posted on 05/19/2005 6:49:56 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Television is a medium because anything well done is rare" - Ernie Kovacs)
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To: Born Conservative

Egads! this thread is gonna lose steam now. :(


20 posted on 05/19/2005 6:51:27 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant
Masochist: "Beat me! Beat me!"

Sadist: "No! No!"

21 posted on 05/19/2005 6:52:03 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

LOL. good one.


22 posted on 05/19/2005 6:52:36 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

That's Allena!

TALKING WITH SEATTLE SEXUAL ACTIVIST ALLENA GABOSCH
by Mistress Matisse


Allena has been producing educational and social events for the sex-positive community since 1990. She is a frequent speaker on BDSM at colleges and conferences and is a board member of the National Coalition for Sexual Freedom.

How did you become a sexual activist?

I came into the community by answering an ad in a swingers' magazine. I then began working with Kinky Couples, a group holding BDSM events at a local swingers' club. A few years later, a friend and I opened Beyond the Edge Cafe, and it became a hub for the kink community. BTE held BDSM workshops, erotic art shows, and play parties in its basement.

After selling the cafe, I was hired to be the executive director of a club called the Wet Spot. It isn't a BDSM club or a swingers' club, although it has aspects of both. It's a place for all sex-positive people to gather for social and education events.

How would you describe yourself sexually?

[A] bisexual, polyamorous, masochistic switch who is only submissive to her "Daddy." I'm currently with out a primary partner. But I have two secondary partners, my Daddy and my boi, and several other wonderful people I play with, so I keep quite busy! Recently I've become a bondage aficionado, and have spent a lot of time all tied up.

How does the BDSM scene in Seattle compare to other cities?

Seattle is very cohesive. My experience with other large cities (and some small ones) is that they are more fractured. We also are a bit bloodier than most, and seem to be edgier and more into SM than DS--but that could just be the folks I hang around with.

Overall, I adore the leather community. The only thing that annoys me are the One True Wayers. If you don't agree with them you are branded as Bad, or Unsafe, or "just a newbie." I find that those folks are usually Internet players and have little real-life experience. (The Internet is great, but it is no substitute for real-life play.) They have gotten wrapped up in the fantasy world they created online--they've limited themselves by their One True Wayism.


23 posted on 05/19/2005 6:52:39 PM PDT by maggief
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To: maggiefluffs

that's not the same gal as in post 19. can't be.

Are you signing up for her class?


24 posted on 05/19/2005 6:55:47 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

http://www.tabletmag.com/95/features/95_Sex_pos.shtm


25 posted on 05/19/2005 6:56:45 PM PDT by maggief
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To: pissant
"Slap Me for Pleasure"


No, please don't. My imagination has hurt me enough tonight.
26 posted on 05/19/2005 6:58:32 PM PDT by chapin2500 (Revenge is a dish best served cold.)
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To: maggiefluffs

Thanks. It must take her an hour to squeeze into that thing!


27 posted on 05/19/2005 6:59:06 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: chapin2500

Well you need some Passion Pants to soothe ya.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1406081/posts


28 posted on 05/19/2005 7:00:09 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

"You promised you would wait until pissant got here."

29 posted on 05/19/2005 7:08:07 PM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: Enterprise

Best post of the day Award for Enterprise!


30 posted on 05/19/2005 7:09:20 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

Aw shucks, thanks.


31 posted on 05/19/2005 7:11:13 PM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: Enterprise; shaggy eel

where's shaggy?


32 posted on 05/19/2005 7:11:38 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

"Someone looking for shaggy?"

33 posted on 05/19/2005 7:20:45 PM PDT by Enterprise (Coming soon from Newsweek: "Fallujah - we had to destroy it in order to save it.")
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To: Enterprise; shaggy eel

I think that does resemble him


34 posted on 05/19/2005 7:22:10 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant; Enterprise
"I still ask for Novocain at the dentist's office."

,,, even though he's wearing his rubber dive suit and aqualung?

35 posted on 05/19/2005 7:29:32 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: concordKIWI
S&M practitioners are just as well-adjusted as the average person.

,,, "hand" me the average person.

36 posted on 05/19/2005 7:31:26 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel

Sorry this wasn't as enticing as last nites thread!


37 posted on 05/19/2005 7:32:45 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant

,,, don't be sorry - you're a respected "educator" now.


38 posted on 05/19/2005 7:34:18 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel

very scholarly indeed!


39 posted on 05/19/2005 7:35:50 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: F16Fighter; arasina

Pingster


40 posted on 05/19/2005 7:36:29 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant
"Sticks and stones can break my bones, but whips and chains excite me" ping...

...and spanks for the memories.

41 posted on 05/19/2005 7:43:23 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck (Life is so short. Play naked.)
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To: pissant
,,, one time, in the early to mid 1980s I went to see a film called In the realm of the senses at the Paramount Theatre, where I live, in Wellington.

The film society I was a member of had included this little number in the annual festival and had hyped it up to the max. It screened at 11pm on a Friday and that was the only screening approved by the chief censor, as I recall.

I had to flash my membership card at the door on the way in - everyone agreed I looked more than the strictly "21 or over" and I took my seat. There wasn't an empty seat in the whole place!

Anyway, this Japanese/French co-production started at the end and centred around a Japanese woman at the very end of WWII who was found in a trance like state walking around the streets with her lover's member in her hand - the lover unattached.

The film then went back and told the story of how they took each other to the limit with strangling, choking - which is how he died and inventive applications with boiled eggs.

I got home after seeing this and was proud to consider myself remarkably unexciting... a boast I've maintained thru to this day.

42 posted on 05/19/2005 7:47:57 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: theDentist; pissant
"Deviant Dentist"...never tried that one m'self....

...rather into, so to speak, gynecology tho'.

43 posted on 05/19/2005 7:48:20 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck (Life is so short. Play naked.)
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To: shaggy eel

Yes. Being Bobbitized has little appeal for most men.


44 posted on 05/19/2005 7:49:38 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

lol


45 posted on 05/19/2005 7:49:59 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

You cunning lin..... Nevermind.


46 posted on 05/19/2005 7:53:00 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: pissant
Why does a man's heart beat quicker, he goes weak at the knees, gets a dry throat and thinks irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?

BECAUSE SHE SMELLS LIKE A NEW TRUCK !!!

47 posted on 05/19/2005 8:06:29 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel

Or if you are gay, a new BMW


48 posted on 05/19/2005 8:15:05 PM PDT by pissant (Pissant - Life coach extraordinaire)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
This woman is 52, for crying out loud.

So? You got a problem with that?

49 posted on 05/19/2005 8:17:14 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: pissant

,,, I'll take the truck, even if it's sideways... I'll take the truck.


50 posted on 05/19/2005 8:19:30 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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