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Private Property Rights in the USA 7/4/1776 - 6/23/2005
My Dark and Foreboding Mind ^ | 6/23/2005 | Self

Posted on 06/23/2005 8:37:19 AM PDT by Red Badger

The SCOTUS today pulled the feeding tube of the American Private Property Rights. In so doing, these 5 justices have finally confirmed the total and unconditional power of the government over the people. Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Franklin are turning over in their graves...........


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: dead; privateproperty; rights

1 posted on 06/23/2005 8:37:19 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Can't we just throw those 5 out? Tell me again why justices sit for life??


2 posted on 06/23/2005 8:39:15 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: RockinRight

The Constitution says so.........


3 posted on 06/23/2005 8:40:28 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: RockinRight

Totally agree.

Just as there should be accountability for teachers and doctors and lawyers (which too is fiction in today's America), so also for judges. A good way to achieve that is fixed terms for less than life.


4 posted on 06/23/2005 8:40:53 AM PDT by voletti (One Ring to rule them all, one Ring to find them....)
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To: Red Badger; eyespysomething

Might as well get used to it. Your entire existence is to serve the interests of the local, state and federal governments, and if you are impeding progress (read growth of the tax base) then your existence is unnecessary.

I am so disappointed in my country.


5 posted on 06/23/2005 8:41:23 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Red Badger
The Constitution says so

That's becoming a lousy excuse ... the justices don't care what the Constitution says, why should we?

6 posted on 06/23/2005 8:42:06 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Red Badger

Yep. This is pretty much the end.


7 posted on 06/23/2005 8:45:05 AM PDT by beeler ("When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me.")
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To: SittinYonder

They pay attention to the Constitution only when it fits their agenda, otherwise it might as well be a living document..........


8 posted on 06/23/2005 8:45:28 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Red Badger

I know...but sometimes I do think that's one area that the Founders could have done a bit differently.


9 posted on 06/23/2005 8:45:47 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: beeler

Only if we can't get the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress to pass an AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION!........


10 posted on 06/23/2005 8:47:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: beeler
That's what these guys' friends said some 230 years ago:

They did something to fix the problem...

11 posted on 06/23/2005 8:47:39 AM PDT by RockinRight (Conservatism is common sense, liberalism is just senseless.)
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To: RockinRight

They couldn't foresee such greed and misuse of the power of IMMINENT DOMAIN........


12 posted on 06/23/2005 8:48:52 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: SittinYonder

This is The Dred Scott Decision of this age............we are all slaves on the plantation now.......


13 posted on 06/23/2005 8:50:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Red Badger
All property beongs to the government and always has. "Owners" are just paying varying amounts of rent depending on how much control they want to assume over a property. With standard rent - you can't knock out the interior walls; with "ownership" you can...but the government can take over full and real control (ownership) of the property any time they want for what they deem to be a higher and better use. The compensation they offer in return is compensation for your loss of use, not for the property itself.

This has been true since the founding of the Republic - it's only recently that governments have started deciding that the "ownership" level of property control gives too many rights to the "owner" when the government has something else in mind for the property.

14 posted on 06/23/2005 8:51:39 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Up until this age, imminent domain was used for public use of property, now it's being used for transfer of ownership from foe to friend...........


15 posted on 06/23/2005 8:54:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Red Badger
That wouldn't help. The Constitution is essentially null and void now.
16 posted on 06/23/2005 8:56:47 AM PDT by beeler ("When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me.")
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To: Red Badger
"Nothing is ours, which another may deprive us of." --Thomas Jefferson to Maria Cosway, 1786. ME 5:440

"The first foundations of the social compact would be broken up were we definitely to refuse to its members the protection of their persons and property while in their lawful pursuits." --Thomas Jefferson to James Maury, 1812. ME 13:145

"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence." --John Adams (1735-1826) Founding Father, 2nd US President

"Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; secondly, to liberty; thirdly to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can." --Samuel Adams (1722-1803), was known as the "Father of the American Revolution."

"[A]ll power is originally vested in, and consequently derived from, the people. That government is instituted and ought to be exercised for the benefit of the people; which consists in the enjoyment of life and liberty and the right of acquiring property, and generally of pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. That the people have an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform or change their government whenever it be found adverse or inadequate to the purpose of its institution." --James Madison (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA, 4th US President

"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether Americans are to be freemen or slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their houses and farms are to be pillaged and destroyed, and themselves consigned to a state of wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them. The fate of unborn millions will now depend on God, on the courage and conduct of this army. Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of brave resistance, or the most abject submission. We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die." --George Washington (1732-1799) Founding Father, 1st US President, 'Father of the Country'

17 posted on 06/23/2005 9:04:14 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Red Badger

Maybe justices should have term limits for 20 years lets say. Don't forget, the life span was so much shorter in the 1780's that it was incomprehensible that a justice would be on the bench for 30 years or so.


18 posted on 06/23/2005 9:05:22 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (Bring Down the Mullahcracy in Iran)
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To: Red Badger

Boortz has been a strong leader on this issue, for all his spiritual warts. He provided an AP link on this from his website:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050623/D8ATCKVO1.html


By HOPE YEN


"WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses - even against their will - for private economic development."
[snip]

THIS IS WHY WE NEED NEW 'SUPREME' COURT JUSTICES. This is the COURT THAT THE LEFT RABIDLY DEFENDS! 5-4 decision.

We conservatives need to make this crystal clear: WE DO NOT SIDE WITH THIS COURT DECISION!

It's hot as a firecracker on talk radio. Congratulations. Today, you are part of that special group, the tip of the sword!

FRegards....


19 posted on 06/23/2005 9:16:33 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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To: MeekOneGOP; Blurblogger; goldstategop; backhoe

Tip of the sword ping!


20 posted on 06/23/2005 9:17:23 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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To: SittinYonder

My brother has a bumper sticker on his truck that says: "I am proud of what my country USED to be". So much for the fifth amendment.


21 posted on 06/23/2005 9:18:23 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (THE ACLU IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: beeler

"Yep. This is pretty much the end."

On the contrary: this is the beginning. All who side with the Supreme Sandwich Court will be in for a long string of negative press. It will never end, until this ruling is reversed.


22 posted on 06/23/2005 9:20:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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To: NCC-1701

We should all have that bumper sticker.


23 posted on 06/23/2005 9:23:42 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Red Badger
Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Franklin are turning over in their graves...........

More like they're slashing their wrists!

I am having a hard time thinking of a more serious attack on our way of life, indeed, against the foundations of our country, than this one.

And yes, that would include the national islamic terrorist threat.

The power to tax is the power to destroy. The power to condemn is the power to enslave. What better threat to invidual freedom and individual choice?
I may be wrong, but I believe that even historically fascist states made "condemnation" a difficult process.

24 posted on 06/23/2005 9:24:15 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Red Badger
The Constitution says so.........
25 posted on 06/23/2005 9:25:07 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961

That's what Amendments are for


26 posted on 06/23/2005 9:25:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Red Badger
The Constitution says so.........

They'll probably cite some international law to support their decision, why can't we find some international law to get rid of them. They can't have it both ways.

27 posted on 06/23/2005 9:26:15 AM PDT by tertiary01
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To: Red Badger
Please, everyone, is there a site to read the complete decision?

Has anyone analyzed the statements, the reasoning and the refutation for this decision?

I am dumbfounded. "Due Process" has been reduced to the asinine concept of simply going through motions; as if the rest of the Constitution no longer exists.

28 posted on 06/23/2005 9:29:11 AM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: beeler

Who were the five pricks that voted for the canceling of the fifth amendment?


29 posted on 06/23/2005 9:29:17 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (THE ACLU IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: Publius6961

"...That's what Amendments are for..."

That's what Amendments WERE for. Now, it doesn't make any difference. The SUPREME COURT can do what ever it wants and the rest of us be damned.


30 posted on 06/23/2005 9:32:32 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (THE ACLU IS A CULT!!!!! IT MUST BE ERADICATED FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH.)
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To: NCC-1701

The usual suspects minus OConnor plus Kennedy


31 posted on 06/23/2005 9:33:13 AM PDT by tertiary01 (It took 21 years but 1984 finally got here.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; All
To me, these are the defining issues of our times:

-Men(ace) in Black? SCOTUS goes Rogue...--

-Useless Eaters vs The Death Cult--

-Thunder on the Border-- (Minuteman Project)--

1- an unaccountable Judiciary.
2- whose life is it, anyway? Yours, or someone else's?
3- whose Country is it?

There are other vital issues, of course- but these three will determine just who we really are as a nation.

32 posted on 06/23/2005 9:38:13 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: Red Badger
Wrong. From article three, section one: "The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour..."

Nothing in the Constitution about lifetime appointments!

33 posted on 06/23/2005 9:51:52 AM PDT by ReaganCowboy (History books are written by winners.)
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To: ReaganCowboy

Since Clintoon's time, now you must define what good behaiour is............


34 posted on 06/23/2005 10:06:46 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: SittinYonder

The one idea all the revolutionaries had through out all their fighting, and reworking the Constitution, and passing it etc etc was property rights.

Property rights, property rights, property rights. They disagreed about a lot of things, but that was the thing they all agreed on.

I am sick to my stomach. I can't believe how upset I am over this.


35 posted on 06/23/2005 10:14:18 AM PDT by eyespysomething ( A penny saved is a government oversight)
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To: eyespysomething

Look on the bright side. WalMart and Costco etc. will be closer to home. Less distance to drive during these days of high gas prices.


36 posted on 06/23/2005 10:22:18 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: Red Badger
Wait until Greenies start getting elected to more and more County and City governments. They will start seizing farms and ranches and selling them to the conservancies for a $1.00.
37 posted on 06/23/2005 11:29:51 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Mike Darancette; backhoe

Wait until Rush gets his house taken away from 'eminent domain'. There's no limit to local government abuse. You can level restaurants, flatten farms, silence newspapers, silence radio stations, and destroy political opponents. I predict that this will get very, very ugly.


38 posted on 06/23/2005 1:06:15 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; All
We saw this coming- look at what CFR did to the first Amendment:

Silence, America!:

Silence, America!: for Silence, America!. 

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39 posted on 06/23/2005 1:11:18 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the Sunset...)
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To: backhoe

Yes, and the courts are getting arrogant. They did nothing to make nice with Americans with this issue. They bit off more than they could chew. This can be a major issue in 2008: property rights. Who will jump on it? Hillary, I wonder? Talk radio is giving the GOP fair warning about this. They better not ignore the new media, just like with borders. If they drop borders AND land rights, that could be enough for the rats to get back in power.


40 posted on 06/23/2005 1:17:05 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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To: Red Badger
The Constitution is just Judicial toilet paper and Congress and the White House are complaisant in this. If they do nothing they share the blame. Possible responses:

1. Impeachment (fat chance too many fat cat repugnats and corrupt demoncrats are all for this despite the rhetoric)

2. Cut the courts budgets (only needs 50+ votes and it is done)

3. Censor the court or hold hearings. (Drag them through the mud sunrise to sunset seven days a week four weeks a month until they scream like a little girl.)

4. Redraw districts and eliminate the troublesome sections (the 9th circuit court of appeals would be a good start, they may not be part of the problem this time but what the heck it is time to let them know we are done with them)
41 posted on 06/23/2005 2:25:33 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Red Badger
Apologies for acting as spelling police, but it's urgently important that all of us be prepared to go out and educate the public about this awesomely important issue that isn't even on most people's radar screens, and to come across in a way that doesn't open us up to any criticism or ridicule.

The term is "eminent" (not "imminent") domain. Both are real words, but they mean two different things. However, the term "imminent" does have plenty of applicability when discussing this eminent domain decision, as in "The end of our Constitutional republic seem imminent". No wonder you got confused . . .

Main Entry: em·i·nent
Pronunciation: 'e-m&-n&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin eminent-, eminens, present participle of eminEre to stand out, from e- + -minEre; akin to Latin mont-, mons mountain -- more at MOUNT
1 : standing out so as to be readily perceived or noted : CONSPICUOUS
2 : jutting out : PROJECTING
3 : exhibiting eminence especially in standing above others in some quality or position : PROMINENT

Main Entry: eminent domain
Function: noun
: a right of a government to take private property for public use by virtue of the superior dominion of the sovereign power over all lands within its jurisdiction

Main Entry: im·mi·nent
Pronunciation: 'i-m&-n&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin imminent-, imminens, present
participle of imminEre to project, threaten, from in- + -minEre (akin to Latin mont-, mons mountain) -- more at MOUNT
: ready to take place; especially : hanging threateningly over one's head "was in imminent danger of being run over"
- im·mi·nent·ly adverb

42 posted on 06/23/2005 7:55:15 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Red Badger

If ever there was a time to say "From my cold dead hands" and really mean it, this is it.

One of these abominations is going on in my township. I wish the affected owners had the guts to put out a public call for the militia. They might be very surprised at who shows up to defend their property from the tyrannical government. I really don't think I could live with myself if I didn't answer such a call.


43 posted on 06/23/2005 8:03:44 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The choice of spelling was intentional.........


44 posted on 06/24/2005 5:10:05 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Re: "They bit off more than they could chew. This can be a major issue in 2008: property rights."

You mean like Roe v Wade was in 1973. Funny I seem to recall much the same kind of talk then. I also notice these kinds of things happen most often when a Repugnat is in the WH. GWB will do nothing just as Nixon did nothing. When the courts found out they could kill babies and the nation only fussed they knew they could do anything they pleased. And they will.
45 posted on 06/24/2005 1:37:08 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South

You nailed it.


46 posted on 06/25/2005 3:46:46 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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To: Mark in the Old South

If people aren't willing to defend their nation's innocent babies, then the people aren't ready to challenge tyranny in any way, shape, or form. We must get back to the basics.


47 posted on 06/25/2005 3:48:13 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<< Ad Campaign for Durbin the Turbin in profile)
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