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Does Johnny Depp Deserve YOUR Money?
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Posted on 06/30/2005 4:15:25 AM PDT by Jon Alvarez

Boycott Alert: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Release Date: July 15, 2005
Starring: Johnny Depp

"America is dumb, it's like a dumb puppy that has big teeth that can bite and hurt you, aggressive."

--Johnny Depp, in Berlin, Germany, 2003


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To: dead; Rca2000
The original movie version of "Willy Wonka" is one of those movies that everybody remembers fondly, but if you go back and actually watch it again, it's awful.

And that Grandpa Joe is the biggest load in the history of all movies! He lays there like a lump for twenty years, while his grandson tries to scrap together some living for the whole family.


Yeah, I was kind of floored how poor Charlie and his family were. When I see it, I try to determine the country Charlie lives in, I do remember seeing a Phillips (electronics company who developed the CD and cassette recorder) ad on a side of the building as Charlie is walking about town. I know Phillips is Dutch (although known around the world) and the the town looks like it could be in Holland, perhaps the UK. I remember his teacher was English and everyone spoke English so I can also assume he lives in England. I always got a big kick out of his TV, it looks like an old postwar British (405 line system) or Dutch set. If it is British, it looks like maybe a Cossor brand. I get into old electronics, especially old radios and TV's.

I'm perplexed at Grandpa Joe though, he seems to be able bodied enough to help out the family financially although the rest of the grandparents I'm not sure of. Still if they sat there for 20 years, they would have been dead a long time ago. Maybe if I read the book, I'll get some insight. B-)
151 posted on 06/30/2005 8:48:02 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: what's up
And what is it with people who honor people because they are good "actors" even though they hate their politics or lifestyle? Is being a good actor an honorable thing?

I know historically, people have always seen the acting profession, musicians, and entertainers in general as being in an immoral profession where they are seen as a bit loose at best and "satyrs" (male version of a "skank") and "hoes" at worst. Of course, not ALL entertainers are that way, but I do like to read Victorian/Edwardian literature and most of that do not cast entertainers in a positive light or at least they had to some questionable things to get where they are. I think the antics of a lot of the Hollywood crowd do make the Victorians (although that viewpoint existed way before their time) right on that assessment although you have exceptions of course. Then you have your better entertainers like Tom Selleck, Charleton Heston, Pat Boone and so on who are seen as the exceptions.
152 posted on 06/30/2005 8:55:53 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Vision Thing
They may be paid studio flaks

I would be impressed if FR was important enough to garner this much attention. However, I doubt it. Actually, they're just people who have their heads in the clouds in the respect. Another reason I don't think they're studio flaks...I have some of them in my family.

153 posted on 06/30/2005 8:56:36 AM PDT by what's up
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To: 7thson

"A Star is Born" with Barbra Streisand was dumb too, although Kris wasn't too bad playing the burned-out drunk rock star.


154 posted on 06/30/2005 8:59:37 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: rbg81

'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"). If you watch those two movies, the character movements are very similar"

...yes they were now that you mention it. "Fear and Loathing..." was funny in a weird way. I hate his politics but I have to admit he has talent. Check out "Ed Wood", "Donnie Brasco", "Whats Eating Gilbert Grape" and you will see he is pretty versatile.


155 posted on 06/30/2005 9:04:27 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Cool Multiservice Soldier

I think from the trailers Depp looks like Julia Roberts.


156 posted on 06/30/2005 9:04:30 AM PDT by bluerose (Rumsfeld and Mehlman in 08)
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To: sweetliberty

"Johnny Depp is a talented actor, and incredibly handsome"

I have read that he is part Native American which would explain his lovely olive skin, high cheekbones and fine looking lips.


157 posted on 06/30/2005 9:06:34 AM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Cecily

It was rumored at the time that Elvis was slated for that role. Perhaps Babs nixed that because he would have been a bigger draw then her.


158 posted on 06/30/2005 9:16:41 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Nowhere Man
Interesting about the Victorian perspective.

However, my point is slightly different I think. I don't understand why "acting" or "someone being a good actor" is worthy of admiration.

Loyalty, courage, thriftiness...etc. These are worthy of honor. But pretending to be someone else? We may enjoy watching it, but this character trait is not worthy of honor IMO.

159 posted on 06/30/2005 9:19:36 AM PDT by what's up
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To: eyespysomething

Thank you very much for the ping. I hadn't seen the thread, and I'm going to go and read it now.

Regards,


160 posted on 06/30/2005 9:28:20 AM PDT by VermiciousKnid
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To: Nowhere Man

Yeah, I was kind of floored how poor Charlie and his family were. When I see it, I try to determine the country Charlie lives in, I do remember seeing a Phillips (electronics company who developed the CD and cassette recorder) ad on a side of the building as Charlie is walking about town. I know Phillips is Dutch (although known around the world) and the the town looks like it could be in Holland, perhaps the UK. I remember his teacher was English and everyone spoke English so I can also assume he lives in England. I always got a big kick out of his TV, it looks like an old postwar British (405 line system) or Dutch set. If it is British, it looks like maybe a Cossor brand. I get into old electronics, especially old radios and TV's.

I think it was filmed in Germany (with British financing)

About British TV sets...before the move to solid state in the 70s British TVs used valves and extremely flammable materials (instead of tubes like we used)...giving them the tendency to catch fire (one brand was Bush, which had the nickname of "Burning Bush"!). Which is why Brits unplugged their sets at night!


161 posted on 06/30/2005 10:26:07 AM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: 7thson

agree...several things are at work here...

high prices...for 3 people, might as well wait and buy the dvd

popcorn and soda stickups

cramped seating...cell phones, rude people, babies, etc.

silly scripts, tv and movie remakes, etc.

and of course, idiotic and out of touch celebs.

how many have gone on USO tours? they'll be at tsunami relief and LiveAid concerts...but won't go support our guys and gals protecting them from the Islamic barbers.


162 posted on 06/30/2005 12:23:30 PM PDT by Jon Alvarez
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To: Jon Alvarez

I'm with you!


163 posted on 06/30/2005 2:48:50 PM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: RonPaulLives

Hey! Long time no see. I'm going to be in Kentucky in a week for a family reunion at Cumberland Lake. Going to Colorado first. How's it been going? Found Ms. Right yet?


164 posted on 06/30/2005 3:32:31 PM PDT by sweetliberty (Never argue with a fool. People might not know the difference.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

He seems to be playing Wonka as a flaming gay as well, judging from the hair-do, lipstick, etc

Pass


My sense is that he has one character that he plays in different parts with different costumes. BOOOORRRRRINNNNG!


165 posted on 06/30/2005 5:30:01 PM PDT by mlmr (CHICKIE-POO!)
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To: what's up
Loyalty, courage, thriftiness...etc. These are worthy of honor. But pretending to be someone else? We may enjoy watching it, but this character trait is not worthy of honor IMO.

People of great character are usually talented,
don't you think? Too bad talent is so often mistaken for character, tho.

166 posted on 06/30/2005 6:13:09 PM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
People of great character are usually talented

Talented in acting? I don't think so.

167 posted on 06/30/2005 7:14:11 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Houmatt
So what? Willy Wonka begins and ends with Gene Wilder.

Only for those illiterate souls who were exposed to the movie and not the book. Regrettably, that's the larger audience these days.

168 posted on 06/30/2005 11:14:57 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: SauronOfMordor

The do etc, are from the original illustrations.


169 posted on 06/30/2005 11:16:11 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Monterrosa-24
I think of the old CHOCOLATE factory movie as still modern so why remake it?

The appeal of the original movie is primarily those who've never read the book. Those who read the book, weren't particularly pleased with the movie. The new movie, promises to be much closer to the original text.

170 posted on 06/30/2005 11:20:03 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Jon Alvarez

I agree with all you said except for one thing. I thing the seating is better now than in the past. I am 6'3" and when I was a teen and in my early 20's, many times my legs were cramped by the seat in front of me. The other night when I saw Batman Begins, when the do not use the seat in front of you as a lounger warning came up, that is when I noticed the extra leg room. And though I know it is not right, I now bring my own drinks in the theater. I took my two grandsons last month to see Madagascar and it cost me 43 dollars! I thought that was outrageous! I think they get a little suspicious when I order a large popcorn with no soft drink.8-)


171 posted on 07/01/2005 3:28:04 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Chiapet

Sorry, I never did read "Danny". And now I'm too old to. :|


172 posted on 07/01/2005 3:47:45 AM PDT by graycamel
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To: justt bloomin

Funny thing. This morning I took a peach out of a bag I have on my kitchen shelf, cut it open and took a bite. It seemed ripe, but wasn't. No sweetness at all. I said "phooey" and threw it in the trash can. I think the sticker said "South Carolina". Hold on let me check. (going to the trash to look)...It says "Tree Ripened South Carolina Peaches." What a lie! It wasn't ripe!


173 posted on 07/01/2005 3:57:19 AM PDT by graycamel
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To: 7thson

"And though I know it is not right, I now bring my own drinks in the theater."

I do that too. I usually have a bottle of soda or juice tucked into my purse, along with some fruit if I don't feel like candy or fried movie food. Shhhhh...I won't tell if you don't.


174 posted on 07/01/2005 4:21:57 AM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: graycamel

"Sorry, I never did read "Danny". And now I'm too old to. :|"

No you're not! I recently re-read the C.S. Lewis Narnia series and Alice in Wonderland just to see if I still like them. Yes, people looked at me funny on the train, but who cares? The books are good no matter how old you are.


175 posted on 07/01/2005 4:23:51 AM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: mlmr

Apparently, after his success in basing Jack Sparrow on Keef Depp is basing his WW on Marilyn Manson.

I suspect myself that this will be really good - Burton and Dahl are made for each other.

The dark tone of Dahl's work is, many believe, the result of the death of his young daughter.

If any of y'all are ever over in my neck of the woods the Dahl museum has just opened and seems to be well worth a visit:

http://www.roalddahlmuseum.org/


176 posted on 07/01/2005 4:25:32 AM PDT by Killing Time
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To: Melas
Only for those illiterate souls who were exposed to the movie and not the book.

As we are discussing the movie and not the book, I find your comment insulting and irrelevant.

177 posted on 07/01/2005 6:24:04 AM PDT by Houmatt (Is it too much to ask for Tiffany to forgive my transgressions?)
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To: what's up
People of great character are usually talented

Talented in acting? I don't think so.

Let me clarify -- I'm not talking about acting talent per se.
I got to thinking about what you said regarding true
character -- loyalty, thriftiness, etc. -- qualities of substance (which actors only imitate),
and realized that the people I know of truly great character are
also blessed with talent, often multi-talented.
Like leadership, communication skills, unselfishness.

Unfortunately, too many that are blessed with talent
seem to stop there, without developing character.

There was the coolest show on a couple nights ago
about a contest in England, a search for Opera stars.
One of the two women who won was a mother of three, and she was blind.
She went on to perform in Rigoletto. What an inspiration...we can't stop talking about her.

178 posted on 07/01/2005 7:53:53 AM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
People of great character are usually talented, don't you think?

Nope, complete opposite. With regards to artistic talent, the scale is so heavily weighted towards the absolute flakes that it's not funny. Orson Wells once question if an emotionally healthy man COULD be a great actor. I think Orson was pretty much spot on.

Self-indulgent, inconsistent, neurotic types tend to reach higher rungs on the creative scale than people with character. My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that stable people aren't seeking escape from their tortured lives 24/7 in their imaginations. Artists of all stripes are constantly retreating into their imaginations seeking escape, and that fuels the genius.

179 posted on 07/01/2005 10:11:24 AM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Melas

People of great character are so often multi-talented, like
Reagan & Condi Rice, don't you think?
People who confuse talent with character seem to be the narcissistic
types you and Wells describe.

Some exceptions I admire are
Mel Gibson, Jimmy Stewart, Robert Duvall, Jean Stapleton, Ginger Rogers and many other principled stars and leaders.


180 posted on 07/01/2005 10:31:57 AM PDT by b9
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To: doodlelady
As much as I do look up to Ronald Reagan, great artistic talent he did not possess. Reagan was a journeyman actor, but a great president. Let's just thank God it wasn't the other way around.

I personally know of no great artistic talent of Condi Rice.

Gibson is a bit of a flake. He's not even as remotely conservative as some like to believe.

Stewart is truly the exception, as I suspect is Tom Hanks. There are always a few like that, but they're the exception not the rule.

I know diddley squat about Jean Stapleton or Ginger Rogers, so I won't say a word.

Duvall is a genuine actor, with all the baggage that it implies. He's about as weird as Depp living in the woods of France, only Duvall long since retreated to Argentina.

I could give examples all of day of artistic talents being truly weird individuals, and often broken individuals as a result:

Van Gogh, Hemingway, Dorthy Parker, Orson Wells, Marlon Brando, Robert Dinero, Robert Dinero (anyone that weird gets two mentions), Edgar Alan Poe, Edgar Alan Poe, Frida Kahlo, Dora Carrington, Mozart, Mozart, Beethoven, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jimi Hendrix, Janice Joplin, Henrty Miller, Tennesee Williams, Oscar Wilde, D.H. Lawrence, Thoreau, Emerson, Judy Garland, Pavorati, Richard Burton, Joan Crawford, Bette Davis, and anyone ever named Barrymore.

That's just a quick list off the top of my head!!

181 posted on 07/01/2005 11:02:04 AM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: Melas
You keep assuming talent means "artistic" talent.
My dictionary's first definition says:
"talent - a gift committed to one's trust to use and improve"

Reagan was called "The Great Communicator"
and Condi Rice is the epitome of refinement and culture.
She's a classical pianist and trained ice skater, who could've gone pro with either.

The others have commanded extraordinary respect in their field, despite personal convictions and principles. Just google them and see for yourself.

I'm not defending individuals here, just the principle that
talent is a gift which people of great character use unselfishly.

Surely you don't think 'talent' just means 'artistic' do you?

182 posted on 07/01/2005 11:33:26 AM PDT by b9
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To: Jon Alvarez

I am so SICK of everybody fawning over how frigging great Johnny Depp is and how talented and cute he is. I dislike him with every fibre of my being.
He's an emo goth. He's a sappy, sad, deep "vampyre" boy who doesn't seem to wash his hair or shave (Girls find that cute and sexy?).


There are so many other people who could have played Willie Wonka. Why can't Burton hire unknowns for once? Why does he keep having to whore out and beat the dead horse?


183 posted on 07/10/2005 8:07:51 AM PDT by Darth_DiC
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To: Darth_DiC

local paper ran a story where he has "grown up" as he used to be a bad boy...

what's grown up about being an admitted heroin user? he even admitted he'd buy drugs for his kids as he'd want to make sure they get "safe" drugs...I guess he knows the good stuff. sicko.


184 posted on 07/11/2005 4:09:30 AM PDT by Jon Alvarez
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To: All

It just hit me, there was something distrubing about the Johnny Depp version of him being Willy Wonka. Looking at him, he sort of reminds me of Alex DeLarge from "A Clockwork Orange" or at least he has that air about him.


185 posted on 07/12/2005 7:10:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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