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Rhythmic Submarine Volcanos And El El Niņos
Science Frontiers ^ | September-October 1993 | William Corliss

Posted on 08/29/2005 1:37:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The real cause of El Ninos is still obscure. However, the recent discovery of over 1,000 previously unmapped submarine volcanos rising from the seafloor in the eastern Pacific may lead to El Nino's source. The synchronous eruption of, say, 100 of these volcanos might warm the ocean around Easter Island a tad -- just enough to warm the atmosphere above a bit -- resulting in a shift of the high pressure area.

(Excerpt) Read more at science-frontiers.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; chandlerswobble; chandlerwobble; climate; godsgravesglyphs; history; poleshift
from PBS' website:
Not So Frequently Asked Questions about El Niño: Do volcanoes or sea floor venting cause El Niño?
by Billy Kessler
As far as deep-ocean vents modifying the ocean temperatures, researchers now think that this source of heat does contribute to the long-term evolution of the ocean state. We can trace the chemical signatures of sea floor venting carried for quite a distance in the deep currents. Those traces are useful for estimating the deep flows, which are difficult and expensive to measure directly since they are so slow. However, we observe that the heating due to deep venting becomes diluted in the vast reaches of the abyssal ocean and therefore does not make quick changes in the ocean state. These affects are felt over decades or centuries, not on the relatively rapid time scale of El Niño.
OTOH:
Check the climate before you invest
by Patrick Larkin
Cincinnati Post
Evelyn Browning Garriss, a climatologist and editor of the Browning Newsletter, noted some impacts of climate on businesses last week at Bartlett & Co.'s annual institutional investors conference.

Ms. Garriss correctly called the current El Nino by following volcanic activity in - and under - the Pacific Ocean, believed to be a major cause for El Ninos.
The Browning Newsletter will run you about $225 a year.

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1 posted on 08/29/2005 1:37:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Whatever happened to the global warming theory? I was growing rather fond of that one.


2 posted on 08/29/2005 1:38:27 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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3 posted on 08/29/2005 1:38:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

submarine volcanos ? Magnetic anomoly? Caterpillar drive?

One ping only, please.


4 posted on 08/29/2005 1:39:28 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Magma displacement?


5 posted on 08/29/2005 1:40:33 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Not for nothing, but this info is "shown" in an old atlas', circa 1890. It shows these hot spots "In color" as a pattern, i.e., something that is re-occurring. I read separately from a circa 1850 book that methane is the varmit that gets into the atmosphere.


6 posted on 08/29/2005 1:46:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau

Aren't methane hydrates responsible for the "Bermuda Triangle" phenomena?


7 posted on 08/29/2005 1:50:46 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I've heard that hundreds if not thousands of caterpillars are lost each year in the caterpillar drive. Takes forever too.


8 posted on 08/29/2005 1:52:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: coconutt2000

Melted under public scrutiny, appropriately enough. :')


9 posted on 08/29/2005 1:55:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Don't know anything about that. The atlas shows this "activity" in the Pacific. The other book is all about volcanoes in general but gets specific as they relate to certain areas. I will look into it.


10 posted on 08/29/2005 1:55:44 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: SunkenCiv
I've heard that hundreds if not thousands of caterpillars are lost each year in the caterpillar drive. Takes forever too.

Understandable with all those damn trees in the way!

11 posted on 08/29/2005 2:00:26 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

>> Aren't methane hydrates responsible for the "Bermuda Triangle" phenomena?

They may be, there are vast deposits in the Gulf of Mexico and off of Florida... http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/gas-hydrates/title.html

I saw a real piece at a rock and mineral show. It is a stone that changes to methane gas. They had some stored in dry ice, it was cool.

Some day we will begin to mine the stuff.


12 posted on 08/29/2005 2:11:46 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: SunkenCiv
I've heard that hundreds if not thousands of caterpillars are lost each year in the caterpillar drive. Takes forever too.

The hardest part though is branding them after you've rounded them all up. Have to use teeny tiny branding irons (much too small for Pete to cut his teeth on) and be real careful how deep you mark them.

13 posted on 08/29/2005 2:23:31 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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Chandler's Wobble Causes Earthquakes, Volcanism, El Nino, and Global Warming
Michael Wells Mandeville | 2004 | Michael Wells Mandeville
Posted on 01/18/2005 8:58:05 PM PST by IGBT
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1323583/posts


14 posted on 08/29/2005 2:28:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: John O

:')


15 posted on 08/29/2005 2:29:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: mmercier; Fierce Allegiance

There's a deposit off a part of North Carolina's coast which would supply US natural gas needs for more than a year. The total gas hydrate deposits on the ocean floors would run the entire civilization for thousands of years.


16 posted on 08/29/2005 2:30:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

>> There's a deposit off a part of North Carolina's coast which would supply US natural gas needs for more than a year. The total gas hydrate deposits on the ocean floors would run the entire civilization for thousands of years.


Now all we need to do is get this past 40 rat Senators and a couple of hundred thousand environmentalist fanatics.

Start gathering twigs now if you want hot food in a decade, as these deposits will go unexploited until well after the lights here go out.


17 posted on 08/29/2005 2:48:56 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: SunkenCiv
Re #1

An interesting post! Who knew that geothermal influence on earth's weather is so significant?

18 posted on 08/29/2005 6:03:58 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: SunkenCiv

Ahh, but the problem lies in accesssing the stuff. If you do exploratory drilling via a vessel and have an escape, the vessel will sink. Same for any type of floating platform. If you were to use a stiff leg derrick, it would need near infinite jack-up cpapbility that can simultaneously handle collapses as the reserve is depleted/mined.

I suppose horizontal/directional drilling could work. I wonder if production would require 2-way pumping. Heat may be required to liberate the methane from the hydrate form.

Very interesting idea. However, the enviroweenies will likely never allow such a thing, as the won't even allow wind farms on subaqueous terra firma.


19 posted on 08/30/2005 5:07:13 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
The hydrates are on and in the crud on the bottom, and can literally be scooped up.

Gas Hydrates
Google

20 posted on 08/30/2005 9:58:33 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Sorry, I have no idea how I got two "El" in the title of this topic. From my links page:

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/536525/posts

Energy: California's crisis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1098109/posts?page=5#5

Energy: Coal in a Nice Shade of Green (thanks neverdem)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371023/posts

Energy: Coal-to-liquid solution for energy woes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174878/posts

Energy: EU in push for support on nuclear fusion reactor... (thanks AKSurprise)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227151/posts

Energy: Fossil Fuels Made without Fossils
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Energy: Heavy-Metal Nuclear Power
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1288533/posts

Energy: Here is what the acolytes of solar power don't want you to know... (thanks Boot Hill)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946342/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1229392/posts

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1182542/posts

Energy: Iran warns US, European pressure on nuclear could prompt oil crisis
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356921/posts

Energy: Israel Strikes Oil ("New Find Fuels Israel's Economy")
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1208484/posts

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Energy: Norton Confidently Makes Case for Alaskan Oil Drilling
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Energy: Oil from Coal (a nice digest post from 2001)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/599330/posts

Energy: Petroleum Will Not Run Out Before We Burn Up
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1177382/posts

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Energy: Where Our Energy Will Come From
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Energy: World's Fastest Electric Car
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21 posted on 08/30/2005 10:01:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

From your links, gas hydrates are not stable in liquid water unless it is some km below sea level.

In any case, with our current rising energy costs, expoloitation may become viable.


22 posted on 08/30/2005 10:23:34 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks, interesting stuff. Especially the info on the wealth of untapped gas(es).


23 posted on 08/30/2005 6:07:21 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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Catastrophism

24 posted on 06/03/2006 12:28:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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just an update.
 
Catastrophism
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25 posted on 07/08/2007 2:28:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (This tagline optimized for the Mosaic browser. Profile updated Friday, July 6, 2007.)
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