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Posted on 09/03/2005 4:45:47 PM PDT by VastRWCon
First shotgun purchase need some freeper help.
Plain jane model 870 Remington. Reliable and rugged and won't break the bankbook.
You can get a great used Remington 870 for under $250. (I have no clue what they cost new) In a short barrel, there is no better home defense weapon.
If you are quick and very good, you could shoot clay pigeons with it.
I know I could hit clay all day with mine, but it would scare the heck out of anyone standing close by.
You got to hit them almost as soon as they come out!!
But seriously, ther are several very good shotgun with multible barrels out there that would work well.
For home defense, the 870 is king.
My first shotgun was from Sears Roebuck! If I remember correctly it was @$100.00. I still have it, looks great and shoots great. 12 guage pump, shoots up to a 3in Magnum. Works great for me. Keep it clean and well lubricated.
Use it for small game, rabbit. pheasant, etc. Have also used it for White Tail Dear, using slugs. This was in Virginia and Rifles were not allowed in that area. Of course it's very easy to get an Irish setter confused with Deer in Virginia! Some of those great deer hunters we all know hunt that breed of deer with rope burns around their neck!!
A Remington 1100 would be easier for your daughter to handle, less recoil.
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I'm also in the 12 gauge 870 crowd. I found mine for $100 but the barrel turned out to be bent, right at the 18" spot, so it's a riot gun now. Extended mag, etc. The only way it can be called a game gun is if terrorists are a protected species.
Get your daughter a 20 gauge, if she's big enough, .410 if not.
nice thanks, anything in a semi-auto that you would suggest?
nice thanks, anything in a semi-auto that you would suggest?
And an automatic like the 1100 would be more suitable for trap or skeet. 12 gauge, 28 inch barrel, screw in chokes.
For sure, get a 12 guage. You can buy "low recoil" loads if recoil is a problem for your daughter, and you can use full power loads. I'd recommend a pump action from one of the major brands.
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Does the 1100 have less recoil then the 870? Also, 20 gauge would be more appropriate for a 12 year old than a 12 or 16 gauge?
450 Bucks or less if ya have a FFL Gunslinger Friend. It's all ya need for multipurpose self defense as is yet I added ghost ring sights and a reciever rail for my old PVS 4 night vision scope. Good night fighter tool when accessorized with 3 large Rottweillers....
There are two big schools of thought, but I will say this.
GO with a 12 gauge. You can buy or reload shells that will not pack enough kick to hurt your 12 yr old daughter, and besides, if you are going to the range, you don't want to slam yourself with it.
Secondly, you have two options: pump or auto. The pump is cheaper, easier to clean, and simpler to operate and repair jams. The drawback: harsher recoil.
The auto is more expensive, a bit more challenging to clean (more moving parts) and jams can be a bit more difficult to work around. On the other hand, the recoil is reduced even with less powder shells but you take the chance of loosing the energy to eject spent hulls.
Regardless, for a 500 dollar price tag, a Remington 870 or 1100 is the way to go. You can find them at WalMart, pawn shop or gun store. Be wary of used guns unless you have a gunsmith to take it to and have it thoroughly checked over or if you know what you are doing when you select one.
LOL I'll keep that in mind!!!
Yea I am leaning toward the semi-auto 1100 thanks for the advice. My daughter is well built for ballet so the less recoil the better to get her hooked on shooting.
If you are going to use this rifle for home defense, you will want two things: 1) tritium sights (the sights glow in the dark due to the tritium isotope in them-- you don't have to "charge them up" with light), and 2) a light for target ID.
Without those two items, your shotgun is not going to be very useful at night.
You'll want something that is easily accessorized and has plentiful spare parts. IMHO, a Remington shotgun is #1 in both categories.
You probably want a shortned stock (sometimes called a youth stock) because the standard stocks are quite long.
For a light, go with a Surefire (they are the only manufacturer I would trust to make a light for a shotgun) that has a disable switch so that you can avoid accidental light discharges.
In closing, I'd recommend you consider the following (I don't have this one, but will probably purchase one next year):
Wilson Combat Standard Model #SSTD-AS
If you scroll down on that website, it's the second one from the top. It has a light, a tritium front sight, and shortened stock. But it's pricey... about $1165.
I used to hunt with a guy who's wife complained how her 20 gauge kicked. He tried it, and it kicked more than his 12. It turned out it was one of the light 20's, so less mass to absorb recoil. Something to consider.
In an auto, the 1100 is good.
What do you plan to do with it?
I went out for early dove season this morning...took the limit. :)
on the 1100 model.... I see remington has many different versions of the 1100, Classic, field, etc... whats the difference in them?
go to the range and shoot, teach my daughter how to shoot, probably no hunting, to busy fishing. I am prior military and have been feeling the need to pull on a trigger again... LOL
LOL...In it's basic out of the box new condition it is a very well made shotgun and needs no extended mags or other tweeks as it has it all as sold. Very good one purchase to peek at if ya have time !
http://www.remington.com/NR/exeres/0000169arnfegvfaieeznzvo/RemArms+Rich+Product.asp?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2ffirearms%2fshotguns%2f870mrmag%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7bE56F9FE4-BDEB-47D1-BE86-106EE7CD2A2E%7d&NRQUERYTERMINATOR=1&cookie%5Ftest=1
Remember also that the MSRP listed is about 200$ more than what it can be found for if ya shop carefully....
Good luck on yer purchase....
http://www.spartangunworks.com/spr310_field.htm
I'm shooting one of these now. It's under $500, comes with 4 different choke tubes and you can buy more, shoots nice, isn't too heavy, absorbs recoil well, and it's built like a tank. The wood is nice, and the wood/metal fit is good, too. It's made by Baikal in Russia and is imported by EAA. I like it a lot, so far.
"Big 5" sporting goods carries it, they have stores in a lot of places. Don't get the Turk Khan which is a little cheaper, and real nose-heavy.
I'm a righty but I'm left eye dominant, so I had to get the stock bent to straight by a gunsmith since I shoot shotgun lefty. I'm not sure if they are all cast to the right, or just mine.
For skeet, buy 1 oz loads. 1 1/4 oz of lead kicks a little more, and isn't more likely to break clays.
Also don't shy away from lessons from a NSCA certified instructor, for your daughter either. I shot OK before, but after a few lessons from a good instructor, my shooting improved a huge amount.
I like my Ithaca Model 37 pump - smoothest action of any pumpgun I've ever used
Ditto on the 870. It's a classic smokepole -- simple, rugged, useful. If you want even cheaper, go with a break-barrel. You could probably get a beater for under $50. Single-shot. Won't be much use in an assault. But if you want home protection, you're probably not going to need (or get) much more than one shot anyway.
I prefer the placement of the safety on the Mossberg over the Remington, but that's strictly a personal preference.
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I have no idea. I'm guessing price tag, however. lol
Not for a novice. Under pressure there is a major problem with short stroking the action and causing a double feed jam. It will also kick more, or at least there will be the perception of greater recoil. If home defense is the object nothing beats a semi auto Benelli Super 90 with extended tube. IF you can find the original M121 which preceded it, it will have beautiful wood furniture and you can put a riot length and choked barrel on it. That's what I have. Mine has ghost rings, sling and has been proported. I got it for about $400 at a gun show, used. There are different barrels available IIRC so it can be converted to other uses. The weapon is recoil operated and as that big block of steel goes into motion it absorbs the recoil, so it feels like a gentle push. I can empty the eight round tube before the first hull hits the ground and I'll stay on target.
Check it out.......but I've been told that Benelli has committed production to the U.S. Marine Corps for most of this year....
http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/m4.tpl
Semper Fi
---Does the 1100 have less recoil then the 870? Also, 20 gauge would be more appropriate for a 12 year old than a 12 or 16 gauge?---
The 1100 has less recoil than the 870 and is more suitable for clay targets. A lot of people get 20 gauge shotguns for young shooters, but you can get light loads for the 12 gauge that are comparable. I've got a 28 gauge Remington 1100 that's like shooting a BB gun, but the cost of shells is very high. I just like 28 gauge. :^)
12 gauge auto is the way to go.
Holy Spetsnaz, Batman! A 12ga. AK-47!
yeah.
*GRINS*
Spktyr (I think) clued me in on them.
supposedly the basic configuration is available for about $250.00, but so far I am damned if I can find such a unit for sale at that price
...I still don't like the Osprey...
Actually in all reality for a first time firearm owner I'd suggest one of the EAA Bounty Hunter II 12 or 20 gauge double barrels and a simple S&W revolver in 357 magnum that could use 38 ammo if so desired.
Easy to operate and maintain for the novice owners....
The bad guys surrendered about midnight that night. A couple of days later the Ranger brought the scope back. I asked him if it did him any good. He said not directly, but he thought he had saved the lives of a few head of livestock, because every time a lawman heard a sound in the bushes, they came to him to check it out. The scopes were big novelties to civilians back then.
Thanks for building a fine product. I mean that THANK YOU VERY MUCH !
Your work saved more lives than ya know....I have used and carried the PVS 2 and 4 and own a 4. Well done friend...well done !
Eternally grateful for what those tools did for those of us in harms way.
THANKS !!
LMAO....I remember that !
Yep 870 is real good... also look at the winchester 1300.... teach your girl how to use it ! and make sure its always ready to protect you life, liberty, and property!
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