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AMERICA - The Right Way!! (Day 1747) [Remember the Trade Center!!]
Various News Sources and FReepers | November 2, 2005 | All of Us

Posted on 11/02/2005 4:51:46 AM PST by Chairman_December_19th_Society

We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail!

Good morning!!

Do not let the victims of the attacks on New York and Washington, nor the brave members of our Nation's military who have given their lives to protect our freedom, die in vain!!

Quick start--network hosed here so I'm doing wireless.

For AMERICA - The Right Way, I remain yours in the Cause, the Chairman.


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To: bevlar

Good morning, bev.


51 posted on 11/02/2005 6:59:36 AM PST by lysie
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To: lysie
Be very careful,lysie, you are sliding into entitlements area

LOL!!! @:) Morning all!

52 posted on 11/02/2005 7:00:58 AM PST by Holding Our Breath
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To: Redleg Duke

Redleg, it's so good to "see" you. I'm moving from Reston to Chantilly. Maybe we could meet up some where to say hi in person!


53 posted on 11/02/2005 7:06:54 AM PST by Holding Our Breath
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To: Common Tator
As long as the senate had two loyal Democrats they can use rule 21 to prevent an up or down vote on Alito or anyone else.

Close. But No Cigar!

IF Frist has the will and the votes. I think he can overcome it.

It would require 3 Republicans on the floor of the Senate whenever the Senate is in Session. Not just the floor leader and the individual in the Chair, but 3 other members who are quick on their feet.

I'm sure you're aware all the Senators are seldom on the floor at the same time.

Chapter 39, Sec. 430 of Mason's Manual of Legislative Procedure lays out the Motion to Postpone Indefinitely

It would be an ugly fight, but Reid has set himself up for a knife fight if Frist can get his members to lock arms.

Frist needs people on the floor at all times, so the next time a Dim stands up and requests Rule 21 a Pubbie can scream Object, which requires a second. Once there is a second, another Pubbie moves to postpone indefinitely, and someone else needs to second the motion to postpone. A vote of the Senate would follow.

The objection and motion to postpone need to be done with precision. Unfortunately, the motion to postpone is debatable, but eventually someone would have to call for the question. A successful motion to postpone indefintely effectivly prevents any further discussion of the question during the Session, not just during that day's work.

Another option is simply a vote to suspend the rules. You would need all your Pubbie Senators to vote in favor of suspending the rules.

There is a legislative procedure to work your way out of any entanglement you might face if you are in the majority and you have the disipline among your members to do what you need to be done.

If you don't have your members with you, you might as well pull your tail between your legs and go back to the office.

Legislative Procedure is an incredible maze of possibilities. There are only a handful of experts in the world. I am not one of them.

54 posted on 11/02/2005 7:12:11 AM PST by Iowa Granny (I am not the sharpest pin in the cushion but I can draw blood.)
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To: Holding Our Breath
LOL..Well, I worked mighty hard for those entitlements.

;-)

Good morning.

55 posted on 11/02/2005 7:20:59 AM PST by lysie
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To: lysie

Sweetie, with everything you put up with in your day to day life, I don't know anyone who is entitled to good things more than you.

I'm off. bbl


56 posted on 11/02/2005 7:39:42 AM PST by Iowa Granny (I am not the sharpest pin in the cushion but I can draw blood.)
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To: Iowa Granny

I agree with you Iowa Granny. I couldn't resist teasing lysie though!


57 posted on 11/02/2005 7:52:59 AM PST by Holding Our Breath
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To: Iowa Granny

:-)


58 posted on 11/02/2005 7:56:25 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your s God is!)
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To: Holding Our Breath

;-)


59 posted on 11/02/2005 7:59:38 AM PST by lysie
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To: lysie

Bill Kristol on now, undermining Frist. A leopard never changes his spots.


60 posted on 11/02/2005 8:07:52 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Iowa Granny
Chapter 39, Sec. 430 of Mason's Manual of Legislative Procedure lays out the Motion to Postpone Indefinitely

Close. But No Cigar!

Sorry to say you are not even close to being right, Granny. You missed one big important factor, that even dumb hillbillies like me remember, I took a civics class as a sophomore in high school way back in 1952. It was Mr. Wilson who stood right up there in front of GOD and every body and told our class that:
The rules and laws that apply to State Governments and the Rules and laws that apply to the Federal Government are not the same!

Mr Wilson done said it.. and danged if I didn't learn it.

Mason's Manual is an authority recognized by many state legislatures. It does not apply to the Senate of the United States as anyone who has read the Constitution of the United States of America or attended Mr. Wilson's class can readily state.

Quoting Mason's Manual Of Legislative Procedure to the presiding officer of the Senate is just as relevant as quoting a Betty Crocker's Cook Book. Both discuss things that the Presiding officer of the Senate would find to be half baked and in some cases severely pickled.. did I mention stewed?

The only documents that apply to the operation of the United States Senate are the Constitution of the United States of America and the Rules authorized by said Constitution and thereby properly adopted and revised by the Senate of the United States.

You are trying to apply rules and laws adopted by individual states to the federal government. And that is just not the way it works.

The fact that your state may have adopted Mason's Manual as its authority on legislative rules has nothing to do with the federal government and never has. It could not without adding an amendment to the Federal Constitution.

61 posted on 11/02/2005 8:11:31 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: Jemian
"I suspect that is one reason why Diana was killed, to stop her influence over the boys."

???????

I thought it was the drunk bodyguard behind the wheel, and the fact that she wasn't wearing a seatbelt.

Who do you think is responsible for her death??

62 posted on 11/02/2005 8:23:12 AM PST by MozartLover ( My son, my soldier, my hero. Protect him, Lord, wherever he goes, and keep him strong.)
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To: LBKQ
In answer to your question from the earlier thread........Ev is spending lots of time with Katie, but he's been here off & on also.

He is right now on his way to Walmart.:)

On Monday, he & Katie drove up to Michigan for fresh pasties (pies filled with meat, potatoes, rutabagas, etc.) Monday night was the party here. Yesterday they drove down to Madison.........that's where he was going to school and where he will continue his schooling post-deployment, and Katie is thinking of transferring there also. Last night he hung out with the guys. I don't know what his plans are for tonight.

He rented a car Sunday night and has already put on nearly 600 miles.:)

I'm glad our weather is so beautiful this week.....sunny, cool, clear blue skies........and that a lot of the trees still have leaves, in various shades of orange, yellow & red. He'll have beautiful memories of Wisconsin to take with him.:)

63 posted on 11/02/2005 8:28:45 AM PST by MozartLover ( My son, my soldier, my hero. Protect him, Lord, wherever he goes, and keep him strong.)
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To: MozartLover

I suspect it was a setup. Diana was alive when the rescuers arrived at the scene. Most people, when taken alive like that to a good hospital, can make it. I know the official story, but like any good conspiracy theorist, I don't believe it. Just call me sceptical.


64 posted on 11/02/2005 8:32:57 AM PST by Jemian
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To: MozartLover
Oh! Who do I think is responsible? Charles or Phillip.
65 posted on 11/02/2005 8:33:47 AM PST by Jemian
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To: Common Tator
Well, you can scratch Lott getting the ML position when Frist leaves. He was just on Tony Snow's show saying Rove should resign because he's a lightning rod, and that the White House needs some "new blood."

Trent just doesn't know when to shut up.

66 posted on 11/02/2005 8:37:33 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Common Tator
I have been quite open about the material I was quoting and have used them as an example of how parlimentary manuvers can be used to overcome most anything. No doubt the Rules of the U.S. Senate allow the same thing, if only someone would sit down and figure it out.

Quoting Mason's Manual Of Legislative Procedure to the presiding officer of the Senate is just as relevant as quoting a Betty Crocker's Cook Book. Both discuss things that the Presiding officer of the Senate would find to be half baked and in some cases severely pickled.. did I mention stewed?

There you go being condensending again. It's such a lovable part of your personality.

67 posted on 11/02/2005 8:44:24 AM PST by Iowa Granny (I am not the sharpest pin in the cushion but I can draw blood.)
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To: lysie

I'm off to my meeting. I'll be back tonite.


68 posted on 11/02/2005 8:46:57 AM PST by Iowa Granny (I am not the sharpest pin in the cushion but I can draw blood.)
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To: gulfcoast6

What an exciting life you live Toby. It will be so much fun putting your "Shack in the Back" together. What color appliance will you get, what color for the floor, what color for the ceiling and the questions go on.


69 posted on 11/02/2005 8:51:27 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Redleg Duke

WELL, it 'bout time you got back here. Missed you. Too many of us shoot from the hip, before engaging mind, 'specially the "boo-birds", of which I am, sometimes.


70 posted on 11/02/2005 8:55:30 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Miss Marple
I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that you were right about Trent Lott. I do think, however, the reason that the President wanted him out was because the President thought he was incompetent, based on the Jeffords fiasco.

I understsand what you say and I agree with you. But they teach it at every business School .... including Harvard. NEVER REMOVE A PERSON FROM POWER and let him remain in the organization.

There were times that I had to remove station managers. I never demoted them. I fired them. For if they had remained on the staff they would have done all they could to see that their successor failed. I could not afford that.

It is just a way too costly a thing to do. Bush knows the consequences of demotion. I think he just misjudged Trent's Southern Gentleman like appearance as weakness and his praise of his mentor as stupidity.

Neither are true.

There are many 'tators in Mississippi. They are far more mannerly and far more soft spoken than their obnoxious Ohio cousin. But there are a significant number of them I would not cross... not while waking up breathing is a lifelong requirement.

71 posted on 11/02/2005 9:03:38 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: tillacum

You sound like the hostess on "Get Color"!!! I love tht show. Some people pick colors that I would never be courageous enought to put on my walls! But it's fun to watch someone else do it!


72 posted on 11/02/2005 9:13:31 AM PST by Holding Our Breath
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To: Miss Marple
Well, you can scratch Lott getting the ML position when Frist leaves.

That is not Lott's goal Lotts goal is to do to George Bush what George Bush did to him. That is why I was so upset when Bush had him fired.

It is such a masculine thing. You took me down!!!.. Now it is my turn to take you down!!!

I am not defending Trent. I never have. I just can't support the President doing things that over time will prove counter productive. I suspect that Bush was following Rove's asssesment of Trent when he had him replaced by Frist.

If that be the case then what Trent said today was perfectly predictable before Trent was removed. It is just more payback.

But I too have done many dumb things in anger. That is why I try so hard to never act or re-act until I have had time to cool down. But fairly often I fail to take my own advice. It has cost me dearly.

The other cheek that men turn is the one on their rear end.


73 posted on 11/02/2005 9:18:24 AM PST by Common Tator
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To: Chairman_December_19th_Society; Dog; Miss Marple; kayak; kassie

The Washington Times' website is down, but Drudge has a headline linking to their site about a black Republican being pelted with Oreo cookies by black Dems...

Anyone know anything about this?


74 posted on 11/02/2005 9:20:47 AM PST by TBarnett34 (Hillary Clinton IS the Great Satan.)
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To: Jemian
Interesting.

Re: "Good hospital"......this was France, you know.

75 posted on 11/02/2005 9:32:57 AM PST by MozartLover ( My son, my soldier, my hero. Protect him, Lord, wherever he goes, and keep him strong.)
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To: TBarnett34
Here it is.

Disgusting.

76 posted on 11/02/2005 9:37:58 AM PST by MozartLover ( My son, my soldier, my hero. Protect him, Lord, wherever he goes, and keep him strong.)
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To: Common Tator

Hmmm. Maybe Bush could appoint Lott to an ambassadorship or something. Send him to France (he couldn't make things worse) and then Haley Barbour could appoint someone to the senatoe seat.


77 posted on 11/02/2005 9:50:17 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: Holding Our Breath

I love color. Roomey says if he stands too long in one place I'd paint him too.


78 posted on 11/02/2005 10:09:49 AM PST by tillacum
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To: MozartLover
Hi Mozie.

Usually, when we buy tickets it's for musical concerts. Dec. 2, we will see Glenn Beck's Christmas Show in Syracuse. It's the first time we bought tickets that were not for our musical enjoyment, but comical/satirical enjoyment.

79 posted on 11/02/2005 10:35:12 AM PST by lysie
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To: MozartLover

Thanks for the Ev report!
Sounds as though he's really enjoying himself.
Good for him!


80 posted on 11/02/2005 10:53:07 AM PST by LBKQ
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To: lysie

Man, Rush is on a roll today!


81 posted on 11/02/2005 10:54:53 AM PST by LBKQ
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To: LBKQ
Good afternoon. I have decided to chill for the afternoon and accomplish very little. LOL

I'm hiding in the bedroom with the cats and dogs..headphones on and listening to Rush while FReeping. Guilt free I am..guilt free.

82 posted on 11/02/2005 10:57:35 AM PST by lysie
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To: LBKQ
Yes, he is. I heard some of those quote re: WMD.. and dems this morning while listening to Glenn Beck.

Rush said those quotes were in his Limbaugh letter 2003.

Oh, I'm also watching Dynasty and will watch Dallas the next hour.

If I had bon bons I'd pop those babies in my mouth, too.

I'm despicable. LOL

83 posted on 11/02/2005 11:03:28 AM PST by lysie
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To: lysie

DO NOT FEEL GUILTY AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You, my dear sweet lady, deserve this break!


84 posted on 11/02/2005 11:08:18 AM PST by LBKQ
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To: lysie
Pop away, sweetie ... and enjoy every decadent moment ... :-)


85 posted on 11/02/2005 11:09:08 AM PST by kayak (Have you prayed for your President and our military today?)
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To: MozartLover

That article's so very, very telling of the truth behind the Democrat plantation.

At its core, Leftism exemplifies bigotry -- after all, they want everyone to be the same.


86 posted on 11/02/2005 11:12:38 AM PST by TBarnett34 (Hillary Clinton IS the Great Satan.)
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To: kayak; LBKQ
Thanks.

I have to tell you why I said that. G ...knowing perfectly well that I don't pop bon bons while reclining...as a joke.. will accuse me of doing that. Trust me it's a joke 'cause if it wasn't he'd get the look. ;-)

87 posted on 11/02/2005 11:14:08 AM PST by lysie
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To: lysie

LOL!


88 posted on 11/02/2005 11:17:38 AM PST by LBKQ
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To: lysie
:-)

Be lazy. It's good for you.:)

My hubby's Dad passed away a year ago today. We went to Mass this morning with his Mom and took her out for breakfast.

Yesterday I injured my wrist slightly while moving some equipment for my theater group. Today while teaching a lesson I noticed I was having trouble writing, and with lifting my water bottle, among other things. The student I was teaching at the time happens to work in the medical field. She advised me to take Ibuprofen, put ice on it for 20 minutes every few hours, wear a wrist support until it is better, and call a doctor if is it NOT better in a few days. So I went & bought a support and now I am off to ice. bbl

p.s. I would consult with my own personal medic, but he is off at the EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) Museum in Oshkosh with his sweetie.:)

p.s. I am discovering it now also hurts to type.:(

89 posted on 11/02/2005 11:41:38 AM PST by MozartLover ( My son, my soldier, my hero. Protect him, Lord, wherever he goes, and keep him strong.)
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To: MozartLover
Ouch! I hope you have just strained the muscles, and that the treatment will help get you better quickly!

Well, I have had enough. Boxer, Dodd, X-42 at the Parks funerally, etc.

No news is good news today. I am off to see the grandkids for a couple of hours. Back this evening!

90 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:35 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: MozartLover

Oh dear. What a day you are havening. ((Mozie))


91 posted on 11/02/2005 12:06:36 PM PST by lysie
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To: MozartLover
For you.


92 posted on 11/02/2005 12:22:26 PM PST by lysie
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To: Common Tator; Iowa Granny

CT & IG:

I'll have you know, that these posts of yours regarding "Rule 21" and other such delaying tactics are very disturbing to me.

(I also recommend CTs post in a different thread that approaches this in a somewhat different way:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1513922/posts?page=55#55
and I'll also mention my own post#66 that thread ...)

I was pretty fat, dumb, and happy in my very simple knowledge that the Senate Demodogs had some pretty impressive parliamentary options to slow or shut down the Senate. Now that you've gone done and educated me more specifically about that weaponry, I'm more disturbed, and yea - even depressed, about this situation than I've ever been in the past.

Thanks, FRiends ...

Really - thanks - - - even though my sleep quotent is likely to suffer.

I wrote many times last week I hope we don't regret what we did to Miers - for exactly this type of reason. Too many conservatives really overestimate their strength in this country, and especially with the Senate.

I'm so glad about Alito's nomination, but anyone who is giddy about the situation now, and who is taking odds that he will be easily confirmed, instead of being really fearful don't have the least concept of what is going on. I don't care if they are some of the most level-headed posters on FR, or what national radio show or column they have - this is a very tenuous situation.

We'll have a better idea after the Gang of 14 meets and word trickles out as to whether they will allow a filibuster or not, but this situation is very close, and even without a filibuster, it is very early to predict how the voting is going to go.

I'm on pins and needles now, and NOT looking forward to the fight the way so many other conservatives are.


93 posted on 11/02/2005 1:00:58 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Neets; kassie
Missed you two today.

Woo hoo...Now watching Knots Landing. This is a record for "evening soap watching" during the day.

94 posted on 11/02/2005 1:02:42 PM PST by lysie
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To: AFPhys
I think the first phrase I heard about the Senate when I was a boy described it as the most exclusive club in the world.

Both parties had conservatives. Both parties had liberals and eveyone tried to get along.

The realignment of parties has put all liberals in the Democratic Party and mostly conservatives in the Republican party. Some liberal Republicans have not departed as yet.. But they will soon enough.

The senate has gone from an exculsive club to a place where all must carry a club for self defense. That is a massive change.

What I did last spring was download the Senate rules and read them. My object was to think of as many ways for Democrats to block court nominees and the Presidents agenda as I could. One of the first ways that occured to me was hijacking the Senate with Rule 21. I feared it could be used to effect a new brand of filibuster.

I tried to think of a way to stop or prevent it. I as not as good at that part of the game. I tend to be a lot better at offense than defense.

What struck me about the rules is they are very much like the rules of an exclusive Gentlemens club where all gentlemen are of the PROPER CLASS... They appear to me to assume that all members will behave like gentlemen..

Ried ain't no gentleman. The days of gentlemen and gentelwoman senators are gone.

Perhaps I am wrong. When Ried pulled the stunt yesterday my first thought was Ried was doing a dress rehearsal of occured to me last spring. But perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps yesterday was just a stunt as Frist said.

I hope I am wrong. I often am.

95 posted on 11/02/2005 1:41:39 PM PST by Common Tator
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To: gulfcoast6

Whatcha doin'?


96 posted on 11/02/2005 1:50:34 PM PST by lysie
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To: lysie

I am back briefly. I need to make a quick run to deliver a birthday gift for my red headed granddaughter who will be 5 tomorrow.

bbl


97 posted on 11/02/2005 2:08:51 PM PST by Iowa Granny (I am not the sharpest pin in the cushion but I can draw blood.)
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To: lysie

lysie, FEEL GUILTY and SMILE all the while. Popping bon bons would be a nice touch. You DESERVE every minute of your free time.


98 posted on 11/02/2005 2:34:34 PM PST by tillacum
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To: TBarnett34

The leftists want everyone to be the same, except themselves, they're special, 'cause they know what's right for the rest of us.


99 posted on 11/02/2005 2:36:13 PM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum

This is a shocking article. Black Democrats in Maryland say it's fair that they've attacked Black Deputy Governor Steele in his bid for the US Senate because he's conservative.

The attacks have included throwing oreo cookies at him and calling him an Uncle Tom.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20051101-104932-4054r.htm


100 posted on 11/02/2005 3:00:36 PM PST by Peach (The Dems enabled Able Danger. 3,000 Americans died.)
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