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This is a "U.S. History" College Course?
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Posted on 01/30/2006 7:35:08 PM PST by fideist

My son started a "U.S. History" course in college this semester.

Sixteen-week course, one lecture a week. He has had three lectures so far --

1. Mayan Culture

2. Inca Culture

3. The Colonization of Africa by the Portuguese

-- I honestly don't get it. :?


TOPICS: Education; History
KEYWORDS: academia; campus; education; pc
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1 posted on 01/30/2006 7:35:10 PM PST by fideist
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To: fideist

I was thinking it was a History of the Americas class until that last one there....

that's quite odd


2 posted on 01/30/2006 7:35:52 PM PST by MikefromOhio (")
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To: fideist

What school?


3 posted on 01/30/2006 7:36:57 PM PST by BubbaTheRocketScientist
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To: fideist

Are you sure that the title of the course isn't "American History"? That would make the first two sections understandable--a history of "the Americas". Don't understand what the heck the Portuguese colonization of Africa has to do with either "the Americas" or the U.S., though.


4 posted on 01/30/2006 7:37:13 PM PST by Calico Cat
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To: fideist

Which school? What's the doc's name?


5 posted on 01/30/2006 7:38:35 PM PST by decal (Too many people mistake "tolerance" for "approval")
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To: fideist

They are setting him up for the climax where white people kill all the Indians and ship all the slaves over from Africa. You will see as the class progresses. You better get used to it now if he is going for 4 years unless he is a science or business major.


6 posted on 01/30/2006 7:38:50 PM PST by sangrila
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To: fideist

Politically correct professor, it sounds like.

I remember a professor at NYU during the Vietnam War Protest days who spent a whole hour on the evils of Con Edison, in an English literature class. I couldn't help overhearing it because it was in a nearby room.


7 posted on 01/30/2006 7:41:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: fideist
Not sure. Judging by ONLY the first three lectures, if this intended to be a US history course, I can only see what you posted as being presented for context of the period.

The professor most likely gave your son a course outline on the first day of class, as well as an assigned textbook. They don't always stick to the outlines, but it should still give you an idea of the direction the course will move in.

8 posted on 01/30/2006 7:43:05 PM PST by M203M4
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To: fideist
Discouraging, isn't it? They heave all this "hate whitey" stuff in classes of every sort.

I had to put up with it (in California), and hated every minute of it. Needless to say, I'm a huge backer of that, "$100 for Ratting Out Yer Lib Teacher" program announed a week ago...

9 posted on 01/30/2006 7:43:59 PM PST by gaijin
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To: fideist
Get your son a copy of Paul Johnson's A History of the American People that he can read during the lectures.
10 posted on 01/30/2006 7:44:25 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: fideist

could he be sitting in the wrong class...probablly got scared of seeing all the asians sitting in the US history class, and decided to find a class that would offer a bell curve...it happens (just messin' with you)


11 posted on 01/30/2006 7:45:03 PM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: fideist

Well, it's all about oppression of people by the white man. I had a U.S. History course in college that never mentioned the Constitution, but you can be sure that we covered native peoples, the crimes against the Indians, the forced Christianity on the native people, the prudery of the Puritans, and a quick hit on the revolutionary war, with heavy emphasis on blacks in the period.

Then we skipped on to the slave trade and Civil War. Not one mention of states rights and the constitutional question. Carpetbaggers, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and Brown v. Board of Education. Did two weeks on the presidency of FDR and the Depression. JFK was a hit as well. Johnson's Great Society and kudos to that. Carter got more of a mention than Teddy Roosevelt. Oh, and affirmative action was how we ended the semester....and taling about Gulf War and the evil Reagan/Bush "empire".

It was sad, but needless to say, I grew from the experience. I am a homeschooling mom now almost precisely because of this garbage.


12 posted on 01/30/2006 7:45:10 PM PST by andie74
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To: fideist

My nephew is taking a "history" class in college called American Diversity.

Its primary textbook is Howard Zinn's propaganda book "A People's History of the United States"

And we wonder why education has faltered in this country.


13 posted on 01/30/2006 7:45:42 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen for President)
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To: fideist
Political Correctness.

I had a different situation -- incompetent teacher. Took a course in "Twentieth Century Europe". We started off with some background -- Prof took us back to 1492, since the discovery of the New World had a big impact on Modern Europe. We slowly moved through the centuries. By the time the "Twentieth Century Europe" class ended, we were at 1912. We never even got to WWI.

That's poor time managment.

14 posted on 01/30/2006 7:45:56 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: fideist

A yes. The professor must be leading to the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone.


15 posted on 01/30/2006 7:46:12 PM PST by SaveTheChief
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To: fideist

Don't even begin to try to "get it" in any rational sense. You're just wasting your time.

The liberal arts schools have long since been purged of decent content, quite by design. Welcome to the wonderful world of deconstructionism.


16 posted on 01/30/2006 7:47:37 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: gaijin

If our kids never learn the real history of the country,they won`t be able or willing to, defend the institutions that made this nation what it is today.


17 posted on 01/30/2006 7:48:14 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: fideist

Most American history courses start with the New World explorers -- Leif Eriksson, Vasco de Gama, Ponce de Leon, De Soto, Cortez, Pizarro, Raleigh, Drake, etc.


18 posted on 01/30/2006 7:48:37 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: fideist

Start worrying when the professor lectures on Gore's victory in 2000.



19 posted on 01/30/2006 7:48:53 PM PST by Fintan (One day we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.)
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To: bybybill

If our kids never learn the real history of the country, they won't be able or willing to, defend the institutions that made this nation what it is today.

 

Which is pretty much the point of so-called "education" in this country today.



20 posted on 01/30/2006 7:50:37 PM PST by Fintan (One day we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.)
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To: fideist


It's called "Political Correctness" and it's the result of voting Democrat for forty years.

Now pay your taxes and be happy.


21 posted on 01/30/2006 7:52:06 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: fideist
Get a copy of the course syllabus. Find out what is supposed to be taught. If the information being taught isn't in the syllabus, and information in the syllabus isn't being taught, I would suggest complaining to the Dean of the college. There's a reason college courses are transferable, and it's because a defined curriculum is supposed to be taught. Although it would be trouble, you can also get the course number, and look up what is supposed to be taught, usually through your state's higher education coordinating board.

Of course, make sure your son is enrolled in a US History course. Particularly for lower division courses in required areas of study, the course information taught is pretty specifically defined. Failure of the school to adhere to these standards could be cause for them to get a bad mark on their accreditation evaluation, and that scares the h*ll out of schools. Lose your accreditation, your courses aren't transferable, and you aren't eligible for Federal funds.

22 posted on 01/30/2006 7:52:19 PM PST by Richard Kimball (Look, Daddy! Teacher says every time a Kennedy talks, a Republican gets a house seat!)
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To: fideist
There was a typo on the schedule sheet.
He should be in room 116, not room 106.
23 posted on 01/30/2006 7:53:17 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: fideist

Sounds like convergence theory. You know: the New World is a happy amalgam of Native American, African, and European cultures. The Native Americans contributed deep spiritual wisdom, profound insight into nature, and advanced political theory in the form of the Iroquois federation. The Africans contributed deep spiritual wisdom, music, and a genius for creative language. The Europeans contributed guns, mass murder, and pizza. And so here we are.


24 posted on 01/30/2006 7:55:24 PM PST by sphinx
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To: fideist
Pretty standard fare. Most college history courses go a bit broader than the US history we learned in the 5th grade and attempt to put events into more of a historical context. The lessons on the Inca and Maya are important because they show the development of the gold bearing civilizations that existed in central America before Columbus arrived. Why is this important to the history of the US? Because it was the Spanish discovery of those civilizations, and more importantly their gold, that drove Spanish exploration and colonization of the America's. It was the stories of that incredible wealth that spurred England, France, and the other European countries to join in the exploration.

Portuguese colonization of the African coast is important because that colonization was a part of Henry the Navigators drive to bypass Muslim lands and find a sea based eastern trade route. It was that drive which led to the discovery of the south Atlantic crossing, Brazil and the South American continent, and the first realization that the explorers had actually found new continents and not just new outer Asian islands. That realization prompted many nations to switch their focus from trade and wealth gathering to conquest and empire building. Again, these are factors that directly influenced the founding of the US.

It's not PC BS, but actual historical facts laid out in a way to make the student understand WHY the Americas were colonized, not just when and by whom.
25 posted on 01/30/2006 7:58:11 PM PST by Arthalion
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To: fideist

Guess the Portuguese didn't make it to northern Africa. Sounds like the teacher doesn't know his/her butt from a hole in the ground. As a parent, I would demand to see his/her credentials to qualify the person to teach US History.


26 posted on 01/30/2006 7:59:55 PM PST by lilylangtree
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To: fideist

I sure hope your kid is planning on being either a doctor, an engineer, an architect or pursuing some other legitimate profession. Otherwise, if he's spending four years to "find himself" or to "broaden his mind", I'm afraid that you'll be shelling out your hard earned cash for four years of Commie boot camp.


27 posted on 01/30/2006 8:05:03 PM PST by The Fop (They attacked 2 of America's main arteries, so we invaded the heart of Arabia. It's that simple)
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To: Arthalion
It's not PC BS, but actual historical facts laid out in a way to make the student understand WHY the Americas were colonized, not just when and by whom.

My American History class proceeded in much the same manner. My complaint was that we spent a great deal of time on this early history, and rushed through everything else (up to the Revolution). Her explanation was that prior to college most students get a reasonable exposure to the pilgrims, Stamp Act, etc. The information was interesting though.

28 posted on 01/30/2006 8:07:04 PM PST by Dianna
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To: BIGLOOK

THAT is an excellent idea!


29 posted on 01/30/2006 8:13:57 PM PST by formercalifornian (One nation, under whatever popular fad comes to mind at the moment, indivisible...)
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To: fideist

http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/


30 posted on 01/30/2006 8:18:55 PM PST by formercalifornian (One nation, under whatever popular fad comes to mind at the moment, indivisible...)
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To: fideist

-- I honestly don't get it. :?

was your question.
The answer and problem is he is in college.
Degrees are a dime a dozen.
I am ret. and did degree work without one.
Had enough left wing wack job teachers in high school
and had to much self respect to subject myself to college.


31 posted on 01/30/2006 8:30:55 PM PST by SoCalPol (Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
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To: Richard Kimball

"Get a copy of the course syllabus. Find out what is supposed to be taught. If the information being taught isn't in the syllabus, and information in the syllabus isn't being taught, I would suggest complaining to the Dean of the college. There's a reason college courses are transferable, and it's because a defined curriculum is supposed to be taught. Although it would be trouble, you can also get the course number, and look up what is supposed to be taught, usually through your state's higher education coordinating board.

Of course, make sure your son is enrolled in a US History course. Particularly for lower division courses in required areas of study, the course information taught is pretty specifically defined. Failure of the school to adhere to these standards could be cause for them to get a bad mark on their accreditation evaluation, and that scares the h*ll out of schools. Lose your accreditation, your courses aren't transferable, and you aren't eligible for Federal funds."







Perhaps they will throw in a few tickets to Fantasy Land.


32 posted on 01/30/2006 10:42:03 PM PST by sangrila
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To: Arthalion

I would agree with most of what you posted, but I still have slightly less faith in America's higher education. I had US history classes that began with the Moors defeat at Granada, so I accept that a US history class should probably start sometime around 1492 and be a two semester course. I also accept that the Incas, Mayas, and other American Indians should be a considerable part of the curriculum. But there are only 30 or so classes in a semester, and the fact that the first 3 classes are comprised of these subjects sends off my liberal radar.

The first 3 classes should at least make some mention of the political atmosphere in Europe. I also feel the Maya and Inca should probably be covered in one class. They are extremely fascinating and rather extradordinary cultures, but should be covered in more advanced history courses. The Incas and Mayas should not be the point of departure in my opinion.

I also detect more sinister motives in this teacher opening with Portuguese colinization of Africa. I find it highly unlikely that the teacher's motives are to discuss the eastern trade routes to India. In fact, I would bet money that it was not even mentioned in that class about Portuguese colonialism in Africa. That lesson was probably entirely about the Portuguese' brutal exploitation of the Africans (and it really was very inhumane), and the Portuguese' role in starting the trade of African slaves in the New World. They were the first to bring slaves to the New Worls and they were the last to stop bringing them here. They brought more African slaves to the New World than any other nation.


With this said, I do agree that there is a possibility that this is a good teacher. I just think it is unlikely because of what I know about these schools. The poster of this thread should just let their son figure it out for himself. I am sure he will still learn things in the class.


33 posted on 01/30/2006 11:10:59 PM PST by sangrila
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To: SoCalPol; fideist

"was your question.
The answer and problem is he is in college.
Degrees are a dime a dozen.
I am ret. and did degree work without one.
Had enough left wing wack job teachers in high school
and had to much self respect to subject myself to college."



So people who go to college don't have self-respect? And if degrees come a dime a dozen, why do only 30% of Americans have Bachelors degrees? I have no doubt that one can be very successful without college, but your post was kind of ridiculous. If his/her son drops out of college he will have a much more difficult time finding a job and many doors will be closed. You offered bad advice. There are a few conservative teachers in liberal arts, and if he goes into business they will all be conservative for the most part. If he majors in science then politics will not even matter.


34 posted on 01/30/2006 11:30:18 PM PST by sangrila
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To: fideist

"degrees are a dime a dozen"
..."and had too much self respect to subject myself to college"

What color is the sky in your world? You don't live in the same country as I do, and if you did you live under a rock. degrees are expensive, and I have not had a single employer who will consider me without my graphic design degree despite my huge portfolio and my skills on all the programs needed to be a graphic designer. I kep getting told "get your bachelors.." every time I job hunt. I have plenty of self-respect, in fact I have enough self-respect to not subject myself to a lifetime of saying "would you like fries with that?" at some burger joint, making minimum wage and milking the system via welfare benefits and food stamps.

To those of you who are having problems with liberal professors, I recommend you send any students in your life to ratemyprofessorsdotcom or have them ask around before they take a class. Here in UT we monitor the teachers who teach gen eds--especially the annoying "diversity" requirement, I already know what I will take when I get there and with what professor, because so many people are willing to share their experiences with bad professors. It is the only way we coeds can backlash against a whackjob professor. But it works--I have thus far avoided extremeists on either side and have had a good educational experience.


35 posted on 02/26/2006 2:30:14 PM PST by nevadagril435
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