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Online Petition Says 'NFL Is Fixed'
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Posted on 02/07/2006 6:58:40 PM PST by bikepacker67

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To: Newtoidaho

Occam's Razor


141 posted on 02/07/2006 8:46:50 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

I know somebody that knows people who are Seattle fans, and they said they are whining.


142 posted on 02/07/2006 8:49:10 PM PST by toldyou
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To: toldyou

Small world! I know them too.


143 posted on 02/07/2006 8:49:38 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Reagan Man

Does the red oval outline the position of the football?


144 posted on 02/07/2006 8:50:30 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: GLDNGUN
People are acting like this is the worst-called game ever.

I've stated my credentials in my prior post. I have never seen a game called as one-sided as this one. If you have, please name it. This was call after call.

I'm sure we can agree on one point, the officiating of this game was worse than the half-time show.

145 posted on 02/07/2006 8:52:52 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: jihadjim
I watched the game with a guy who let us Tevo that play about 2 dozen times. As the ABC announcers pointed out, the ball does not need to cross the goal line, only break the plane formed by the line. In other words, if the ball touches the goal line, the play is considered a touchdown. We watched that play dozens of times and, before he is downed and before his body touches the ground, the ball does break the goal line. This happens when the ball is about two feet above the ground as Roethlisberger is falling forward. A few frames later, the ball is an inch or so back from its forward-most point and he is in the process of being downed. While it is true that the ball does not get into the end zone (as far as we could see), his forward progress does clearly cause the ball to break the plane formed by the goal line and is properly called a touchdown.

BTW, I'm from Indianapolis, and I wasn't exactly thrilled when we lost to the Steelers, but the facts are the facts.
146 posted on 02/07/2006 8:53:40 PM PST by econjack
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To: GLDNGUN; beyond the sea; Supernatural; discostu; TheBigB

His little asterisk symbolizes the splash made by a falling tear.


147 posted on 02/07/2006 8:56:25 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: bikepacker67

Boo hooo!

For the record the NFL ADMITTED the refs screwed up the call Porter was complaining about. And today the NFL said it pleased with the officiating in the Super Bowl- NO apologies forthcoming.

Replays, if you actually take the time to watch them, show clearly that Roethlisberger broke the plane of the goal with the ball. That's a TD, it doesn't matter where he lands after he got hit. And who cares what Roethlisberger thought at the time- it was a matter of an inch or two and there was no way he could have known if he made it or not. The replays put it to rest, he scored.

Replays also show Jackson reached out and pushed off Hope. Oh, Jackson claims he didn't touch him but he's wrong! It was a classic push off to get separation from a DB, for goodness sake if you don't want to get called don't push off right in front of a ref. "But it was just a light push, it never gets called" Hey, it's in the rule book, read it and weep!

Holding on Haggans to elimanate the catch at the goal line. Again watch the replay. If that's not holding just throw holding out of the rulebook altogether and let the offensive linemen do what they want. Hooked him, grabbed the jersey and HELD.

Boooo Hoooo!


148 posted on 02/07/2006 8:58:20 PM PST by EdoTerglav
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To: Petronski

Check out my post to you on that other thread. That's the only SB post I am going to make tonight.

You have been doing a fine job. I don't know how you are hanging in there. Good work!


149 posted on 02/07/2006 8:59:15 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Newtoidaho
game-fixing is something that players and coaches have all been caught doing, at the highest level

Baloney. Nobody has "been caught" fixing an NFL game. I'm not saying it's never happened in the history of the game, but what you say is factually WRONG. If you are going to make a point, you have to start with the truth. If you can't state the truth to make your argument, then your case must not be strong.

Again, there were calls that went against Pittsburgh despite your denial and selective memory. On a 3rd-and-long, Pitt threw a pass downfield for an incomplete pass, only the refs threw a flag on Seattle for "helmet-to-helmet" contact. That would have give Pitt a FD in Seattle territory. Only the refs picked the flag up and Pitt had to punt. The replay showed that it was close and they certainly could have called it had they wanted to stay with the initial call. Who knows what would have happened had they given Pitt a FD. Maybe the Steelers score a TD, instead of punting. Jeremy Stevens fumbled the ball after making a catch, only the refs blew it dead and called it incomplete. The Steelers would have recovered the ball and did what with it? Who knows?

150 posted on 02/07/2006 8:59:22 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Supernatural
I don't know how you are hanging in there.

It amuses me.

151 posted on 02/07/2006 9:01:02 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: GLDNGUN
Again, there were calls that went against Pittsburgh despite your denial and selective memory. On a 3rd-and-long, Pitt threw a pass downfield for an incomplete pass, only the refs threw a flag on Seattle for "helmet-to-helmet" contact. That would have give Pitt a FD in Seattle territory.

I don't consider getting the call correct, as going against Pittsburgh. Name the calls that went AGAINST Pittsburgh.

152 posted on 02/07/2006 9:10:19 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: Diplomat; Petronski
Check my post above (#104). Any comment on the assessment in the link would be welcome.

Full disclosure: I'm a Steelers fan, so I've got no gripes.When it comes to officiating, I'll leave it to the NFL to sort out.I've got no dog in that fight.Now I'm just waiting for baseball.

GO PIRATES!!!

(...wouldn't it fun if the 2006 World Series was between Pittsburgh and Seattle!!!!)

:)

153 posted on 02/07/2006 9:12:37 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: birbear
It was a lousy game. The Steeler's played lousy in the first half, the Seahawks couldn't capitalize (i.e. THEY played lousy), and the refs made some lousy calls. (And the Stones played lousy, and the pregame affairs were lousy, and a lot of the commercials were lousy.) It wasn't a memorable game at all.

And what in the heck was that with Harrison Ford and Dr. Seuss? That was dumber than the Rose Bowl having Will Ferrell and Matthew McConaughey's pregame schtick.
154 posted on 02/07/2006 9:15:08 PM PST by kenth
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To: Diplomat
I don't consider getting the call correct, as going against Pittsburgh.

LOL. Unbiased, eh?

155 posted on 02/07/2006 9:15:25 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: new cruelty

I see no football.


156 posted on 02/07/2006 9:18:30 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: GLDNGUN

I never said NFL games had been fixed, just sports events at very high levels (MSL baseball blacksox, Cleveland State basketball, Boston College b-ball to name a few); why would you believe the NFL would be somehow exempt from that? The mere fact the NFL referees are completely screened from public/private scrutiny (as poster Diplomat correctly stated), would make it all the easier for dirty refs to ensure an outcome they wanted. Players and coaches who even hint at official malfeasance (except Pittsburg's Joey Porter... SURPRISE!)(Not), get fined or suspended. Media types would be banned from press conferences for suggesting such a thing.

As far as your example of the helmet to helmet hit, even in real time it looked to me like the defensive back hit the receiver in the back, not the head. Replay clearly showed it was a legal play, and that is why the flag was picked up, it was not a very close call. In fact, that is another example of a questionable call being made against Seattle.

I'd challenge you to name even 1 crucial (crucial = game changing or took points from the scoreboard) call that went against Pittsburg. I can name several that went against seattle, and have already done so.


157 posted on 02/07/2006 9:19:23 PM PST by Newtoidaho (The Democratic Party has adopted open treason as their primary party platform.)
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To: bikepacker67

I don't believe the NFL is "fixed" but something was certainly broken with the officials and not just in the Super Bowl, the whole playoffs were horrible.

I don't think the refs were "pulling for the steelers" but of eight questionable calls 7 went against Seattle and at crucial times. It seemed as if every time the Seahawks did manage to pull their heads out of their rectums and play good football for a few minutes, the refs "found something" to call.


158 posted on 02/07/2006 9:22:29 PM PST by trubluolyguy (Where did they get those ref's, the WWE?)
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To: Reagan Man

It's there somewhere. I just thought the red oval might indicated where someone thought the ball might be. Maybe its just a randomly placed red oval, indicating nothing at all.


159 posted on 02/07/2006 9:23:17 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: Diplomat
You definitely have the resume of a true fan. I could claim an equal resume, although Fantasy Football is not my gig. I watch football (college and pro) as passionately as you do. Having said that, I did not see what you say you saw.

So what was the play that didn't go Seattle's way?

I agree that the call on Hasselbeck was a bad one. But it was called after what? A Hasselbeck INT, that's what. But Seahawk fans want to focus on the penalty at the end of the play, not the INT.

Would I like hear the refs explain themselves? Sure. I watch the NFL Network and see the head of the NFL officials on there every week, explaining calls. When the refs mess up, they say so, like they did with the Pitt/Indy call a few weeks ago.

I think game fixing by the refs to be such a remote possibility in this or any NFL game that it's nonsense. On most plays there are multiple refs looking at the same play and they sometimes over-rule each other. So, you would probably have to have the entire crew in on it. The more people a conspiracy requires, the less likely it is. Then there's instant replay to also over-rule bad calls by the refs.

Perhaps you aren't aware of the lengths the NFL goes to keep anyone related to the league on the up-and-up. Here's one example. A few years ago, Dick Vermeil was in Philly to visit his old stomping grounds. A very nice elderly lady was talking to him, told him what a huge fan she was of his and would love to have him for dinner. He accepted her invite and had dinner at her house shortly thereafter. When Vermeil dined there, her son was also there. They had a nice dinner and Vermeil went on his way. Shortly after that, Vermeil got a call from the league office, asking him if he was aware that he had just had dinner with a guy connected to illegal sports gambling. Of course, Vermeil had no idea about the lady's son. What he was really freaked out about, was how the NFL knew who he had just had dinner with.

And people think the refs could get away with "fixing" the Super Bowl? That's just not realistic.

160 posted on 02/07/2006 9:24:11 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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