Shedding light on slavery in the north

CNN ^ | 3/17/2006 | AP

[Paige]

You need to send documented information.

[the OlLine Rebel]

UMMMM....MD was not "loyal" - it was oppressed into being so. MD was a Southern state (know about that Mason-Dixon line?) It was under seige and forced to be "loyal". MD's legitimate politicians were largely thrown out of office and replaced by - you guessed it.

Republicans were no angels.

And Lincoln come no where near George in "greatness".

[hosepipe]

[ Teaching about the slave trade "is the right thing to do," Wright said. "Absent South Carolina, the biggest importer of slaves was New York City." ]

Thats one "secret", the other is slavery in AFRICA...
Slavery was common in Africa.. even normal.. still is..

[Paige]

Reparations? Don't bring that up ....they have been well paid back....ONE TRILLION dollars this year alone in Entitlement Programs (redistribution of wealth is the correct term) and enough is enough.

[Paige]

Different time, different era of history .... unfortunately, they were considered property. Slavery existed long before the South held slaves and continues in many parts of the world to this day.

[the OlLine Rebel]

I think he is basically right. Go easy on him here. Don't ask for documentation; we're only discussing things here, like people sitting down in our living rooms for a social party. It's not an academic seminar. We don't all carry our books around everywhere we go; and we often just remember we saw something about it 1 time. ;-)

[Restorer]

It surely would.

[TexKat]

In the Northern states slavery was usually ended gradually, by a law saying that anyone born after a certain date to a slave mother would be free (but they wouldn't be free to do what they wanted until some time in their 20s). Slaves born before that date were out of luck...even in the 1850s there were some older slaves in the so-called free states, although a steadily declining number of them.

Chapter 62, Laws of New York State: An Act for the gradual abilition of slavery, passed the 29th of March, 1799

Be it enacted by the People of the State of New York represented in Senate and Assembly, That any child born a slave withind this State after the fourth of July next, shall be deemed and adjudged to be born free: Provided nevertheless that such child shall be the servant of the legal proprietor of his or her mother, until such servant if a male shall arrive at the age of twenty-eight years, and if female at the age of twenty-five.

And be it further enacted, That every person being an inhabitant of the State who shall be entitled to the service of a child born after the fourth day of July aforesaid, shall within nine months after the birth of such child, cause to be delivered to the clerk of the city or town, whereof such person shall be an inhabitant, a certificate in writing containing the name, age, and sex of every child so born, which certificate shall be, by the said clerk recorded in a book to be by him for that purpose provided, which record shall be good and sufficient evidence of the age of such child, and the clerk of such city or town shall receive from said person twelve cents for every child registered, and if any such person neglects to make a return of every such child as aforesaid to said clerk within nine months after the birth thereof, such person shall forfeit and pay five dollars for every such offence...

And be it further enacted, That it shall be lawful for the owner of any slave immediately after the passing of this act to manumit such slave for that purpose under his hand and seal.

[edsheppa]

Well, the essential truth about slavery is that it is a moral abomination and it is shame that some folks were so blind and others so committed to this evil that we had to fight a war to end it, a war killed a half million Americans.

[RightWhale]

There is a lot to it, a huge part of the politics of the day, everyone was very conscious of the ethical problems. The trade itself was heavily present in the North, New York, Philadelphia. Virginia had stopped buying slaves because they had a self-sustaining population already. After the Louisiana purchase, the migration into the Mississippi delta region was predominantly by farmers that subsisted by slave labor, and this expanded northward through Missouri and threatened to engulf the West (as it was known at the time). Much of the debate in Congress centered on slavery issues.

[Heyworth]

What does the Mason-Dixon line have to do with anything? There were slave states and free states. There were states that joined the confederacy and fielded armies against the United States and states that didn't.

MD's legitimate politicians were largely thrown out of office and replaced by - you guessed it.

People loyal to the United States and opposed to slavery?

[Heyworth]

You need to send documented information.

From the Library of Congress website: "Slavery in the District of Columbia ended on April 16, 1862, when President Lincoln signed a law that provided for compensation to slave owners. An Emancipation Claims Commission hired a Baltimore slave trader to assess the value of each freed slave, and awarded compensation for 2,989 slaves."

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trm009.html

[TexKat]

Different time, different era of history .... unfortunately, they were considered property. Slavery existed long before the South held slaves and continues in many parts of the world to this day.

If I read the above article correctly it does referrence the time periods that I posted.

[P-40]

From the Library of Congress website

Thanks. I was looking for that as I remember an exhibit on a government website that even listed names and ages. Fascinating in a way.

[TexKat]

[TexKat]

AARRIS ARCHITECTS Photo / RODNEY LEON... This artist's rendering of the African Burial Ground memorial was released by Rodney Leon, its designer, in New York, Wednesday, Sept. 28, 2005. The granite memorial will be erected on the 18th century burial site which was the final resting place to as many as 20,000 slaves and free blacks who helped build New York's economy. (AP Photo/AARRIS Architects, Rodney Leon, HO)

[BluH2o]

Related but different subject ... the Cincinnati Underground Museum, dedicated to the history of slaves who made their way north in the pre-Civil War period opened eighteen months ago. Millions in funding were raised by tapping mostly local business and private individuals. The Museum located in downtown Cincinnati, on the banks of the banks of the Ohio River, opened to much fan fare. At the time it was estimated public interest would generate sufficient funding to make it viable, cost wise, for years to come. To date it has been running in the red ... and earlier this week, for the first time, public funding is being sought to keep the doors open. My guess, when it first opened, initial interest would keep it profitable probably two years, perhaps three, before tax payers would be expected to bail it out. Well, as it turns out it never turned a dime in profit, in fact didn't even break even ... why are things like this so predictable?

[TexKat]

Freedom Center has a plan to get out

[tkathy]

"Beg to differ. The Republican party was formed in 1854 in Ripon Wisconsin specifically to eliminate slavery. The poitical parties of the day refused to deal with this issue and we wished to do so. 11 years later, in 1865, we destroyed slavery."

This is a powerful argument against the democrats, whose party, both north and south, passed pro slavery and pro apartheid laws. Every single republican politician, both north and south, should mention this every time they open their mouths. (Hopefully to speak). I can't believe the reps don't make this a major political issue. The democrat party has an abysmal record.

[Paige]

Oh so facts don't matter? Ok