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South Park: Cartoon Wars ['South Park' Goes After Mohammad Censorship]
TV Squad ^ | Apr 6th 2006 | Adam Finley

Posted on 04/06/2006 9:16:57 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

Posted Apr 6th 2006 9:17AM by Adam Finley

south parkLast night South Park, in a way only South Park can, managed to mix Family Guy and the recent kerfuffle over cartoons involving the Prophet Muhammed into a scathing indictment of both. In the South Park universe, the "offensive Muhammed cartoon" is an episode of Family Guy which the Fox Network decides to censor. Cartman convinces Kyle to join him on his quest to get the episode off the air. It turns out Cartman doesn't care about the offensive episode, he just really, really, hates Family Guy, calling it poorly-written and accusing it of using interchangeable jokes, rather than jokes that actually have something to do with the plot.

I've said it on this blog and elsewhere that Family Guy's humor can be very jarring at times. Whatever plot there is has to be ground to a halt in order to insert as many one-off gags as possible. There's no effort on behalf of the writers to try and weave jokes into the story, jokes simply pop in and out wherever they seem to fit. In that regard, it's not even comparable to shows like South Park and The Simpsons, which take a more substantive approach to their humor and satire, even if South Park appears to delve into the same scatological humor as Family Guy at times.

There's a mistake that a lot of critics make, and that's to judge a show on what you think it should be rather than what it's actually trying to be. Does Family Guy use interchangeable jokes? Yes, it does, and so did the classic Warner Bros. cartoons from which the show takes its aesthetic. Family Guy has never been about depth, it has always been, from the first season on, about getting yucks. It is a CARTOON in every sense of the word, a series of animated drawings packed with as many jokes as possible, plot be damned. Nobody watches Family Guy hoping to hear some profound truth or see some hidden injustice exposed. If they want that kind of experience, they'll watch South Park. Or, if they can wrap their mind around the concept that two cartoons can have vastly different approaches to humor, they might actually be able to watch and enjoy both.

There's a moment toward the end of the episode when Kyle's Big Wheel goes crashing off a mountain, stops, and then bursts into flame. This same joke, one in which something shouldn't catch on fire but does, has been done before by both The Simpsons and Family Guy. In fact, you don't have to watch any of these animated programs for very long before you start to see some of the same gags and pop culture references. When I watched the Big Wheel explode, I thought to myself that despite making every effort to set itself apart from everything in order to have a more accurate satirical vantage point, South Park and its creators don't exist in a vacuum. Many people will tell you that any creative endeavor is just a matter of filtering and arranging ideas which already exist, and this is especially true for comedy writers. If you find something funny, it's likely someone else found it funny as well and has done it before. It's not about who did what first, it's about how you frame the joke and give it your own personal signature. In that regard, I think both Family Guy and South Park do just fine.


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'South Park' Goes After Mohammad Censorship

Posted by Greg Sheffield on April 6, 2006 - 11:30.
Comedy Central's hit show "South Park" just won a Peabody, the highest award given to TV shows. The most recent episode dealt with the controversy surrounding depictions of Mohammad.

In the episode, everyone in the country is terrified that the Fox animated show "Family Guy" is going to show Mohammad. All in the town of South Park are afraid for their lives at the thought of Muslim retribution.

But in the end, Fox chickens out and censors the Mohammad character, covering him up with a black rectangle.

The show's main character, Peter Griffin, is told by his wife Lois that she doesn't want to cook dinner for his ex-girlfriend. Peter responds that maybe they can just have tea, to which the talking dog Brian responds, "You mean like the time you had tea with Mohammad, the prophet of the Muslim faith?"

Watch the clip.

Lois: But, Peter, I don't want to cook dinner for you ex-girlfriend.
Peter: Well, maybe we can just have tea.
Brian the Dog: You mean like the time you had tea with Mohammad, the prophet of the Muslim faith?
Peter (to censored Mohammad): Come on, Mohammad, let's get some tea.

The "South Park" episode is "too be continued," and next week the show's creators say Mohammad will be discussed again. They dare their own network, Comedy Central, not to censor them.

Source: 'South Park' Goes After Mohammad Censorship | NewsBusters.org

1 posted on 04/06/2006 9:16:58 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: EveningStar; ecurbh; Ramius; RosieCotton
When the description for this episode came out, I don't think many knew quite what to make of it.
Original air Date: 2006-04-05
Cartman and Kyle are at war over the popular cartoon, "Family Guy." Kyle loves "Family Guy" and hates Cartman. The two boys embark upon a mad chase across the country and the fate of "Family Guy" lies with the first boy to reach Hollywood.

Some even wondered if it was a rather unexciting subject for a show. One comment on the thread yesterday accused Matt and Trey of running low on ideas :~D

Oh Yee of little faith. The show description being typically bland is just part of the fun :~D

This was a surprising and terrific episode, the same way most of them are, and one that I think will, or at least ~should~ create the same amount of buzz as the Scientology episode. The best buzz about it so far are these two blog entries.

I don't want to make too much out of the fact that they are "doing Islam". I really tired of all the "dares" to "make fun of Islam" from people here at FR who have probably never watched the show, or from those who feel unfairly singled out because SP has mocked ~them~ but don't have the "guts" to mock Islam. I've never known "Islam" to be the litmus test for good comedy.

As a diehard fan of Matt and Trey's work, I resented the dares, and resented the implication. I knew they'd do it in time, and when they did it it'd be funny :~D

I'm sure this episode, like previous ones, will be re-aired this week, and is probably circulating around the internet as well. I wish a script were available, but it's too soon.

2 posted on 04/06/2006 9:18:17 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I've never watched South Park, but last nite I happened to have the TV on The Comedy Channel when SP came on. I had noticed in the tv listings that this episode was about Mohammad and the cartoon. So I watched it. It was hilarious. Can't wait for part 2.

lol


3 posted on 04/06/2006 9:19:41 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: HairOfTheDog

Does the author realize that SouthPark was using Family Guy as a proxy for themselves? I mean, he does to a point, but does he really?

As for the big wheel bursting into flames, South Park themselves have done that at least 3 times, probably more.

This was a hilarious episode, and I hope Comedy Central doesn't puss out on next week's.

If you censor for Mohammad, then you have to for Catholics and cripples et al. (lol)


4 posted on 04/06/2006 9:21:06 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh man, just when I thought they couldn't be more brilliant!

BTW, I thought that in "Marjorine" they had a perfect chance to make fun of Cindy Sheehan, having Butters' mom blame the mayor for his "death", only to get scolded for exploiting him for personal publicity.

5 posted on 04/06/2006 9:22:56 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: eyespysomething
Does the author realize that SouthPark was using Family Guy as a proxy for themselves? I mean, he does to a point, but does he really?

I saw it that way too... that the criticisms of Family Guy seemed awfully familiar ;~D Not sure many others have found that layer.

6 posted on 04/06/2006 9:23:28 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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7 posted on 04/06/2006 9:25:19 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: HairOfTheDog

Did they get permission from the Family Guy creators?

If they didn't, they are soooo sued.


8 posted on 04/06/2006 9:29:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: dfwgator

Not sure :~D - But I bet they have people who would have looked into that.

It wasn't exactly an affectionate representation of the show.


9 posted on 04/06/2006 9:30:34 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I watch and love South Park and I contended that they've been lax in dissing Islam as a theology. I don't expect them to do what they did to Mormonism or Scientology (that would be derivative and unfunny) but this did make fun of Islam as a religion and as a culture, unlike what they did before.

And it was funny. I just hope there is a part 2. I am sure they will reference the only other time they promised a 2-parter -- when they didn't do the Cartman's dad episode.


10 posted on 04/06/2006 9:30:45 AM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: dfwgator

I bet they didn't get permission from the Muslim Imam they showed and misquoted ;~D


11 posted on 04/06/2006 9:31:19 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: AmishDude

Depends if Comedy Central pusses out.


12 posted on 04/06/2006 9:32:48 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: dfwgator

FG won't sue. Satirical irreverent comedy shows don't sue for copyright infringment if they are mocked because it makes them look like unfunny prigs.

And the only bad publicity is no publicity.


13 posted on 04/06/2006 9:33:10 AM PDT by AmishDude (AmishDude, servant of the dark lord Xenu.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Yeah, but when is South Park going to do a episode about Islam?
14 posted on 04/06/2006 9:34:26 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("If you go out there with an innocent heart, you're eaten." - David Attenborough))
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To: AmishDude

I don't think they've been "lax" about doing that, because I don't presume to know better than they do what they want to say about it. If they do want to say something about it, they will, and the content will be theirs. It's presumptuous of us to think we should give subject matter advice to one of the most topical and well-written shows on the air today. If it's a popular subject in America, I assume they'll get to it.


15 posted on 04/06/2006 9:36:17 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I wish I'd kept a ping list of those people.


16 posted on 04/06/2006 9:36:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Yeah, but when is South Park going to do a episode about Islam?

They've made plenty of fun of the terrorists. The episode with Osama in it that aired shortly after 9/11 was classic.

And then there's Team America...(which I've watched over and over and it just doesn't get old.)

17 posted on 04/06/2006 9:37:25 AM PDT by Allegra (No mosques were entered or damaged during this post.)
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To: eyespysomething
Does the author realize that SouthPark was using Family Guy as a proxy for themselves?

Exactly! not sure how so many people missed that, but I figured it was obvious when at the end instead of saying Fox, they said Comedy Central.

18 posted on 04/06/2006 9:39:05 AM PDT by CharlieOK1 (Did you get that thing I sent ya?)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Oh sure, they're willing to rip on The Simpsons and Family Guy. But have they made fun of Futurama yet? They're too chicken to do that, I guess. ;~D


19 posted on 04/06/2006 9:39:39 AM PDT by ecurbh (Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/)
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To: ecurbh

~chuckling~


20 posted on 04/06/2006 9:40:27 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: TomGuy
I've never watched South Park...Can't wait for part 2.

Two-part episodes have been done before, sort of.

I predict that Muhammed will be revealed to be Cartman's father.

21 posted on 04/06/2006 9:41:50 AM PDT by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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To: HairOfTheDog

Look on the thread from yesterday, lol!


22 posted on 04/06/2006 9:44:12 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: EveningStar

SIMPSONS DID IT!!!!


23 posted on 04/06/2006 9:44:22 AM PDT by Feiny (I only take the free tour.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

When South Park has the big-wheel burst into flames, you can tell it's a gag to make fun of how other shows have things burst into flames that shouldn't. You don't laugh because it burst into flames, you laugh because they made fun of those other shows.

It's all in the delay between the end of the crash, and the explosion.

Closest thing I can remember to it was in Groundhog day,when the truck is laying there upside down at the bottom of the quarry, and the guy looks over and says "Maybe he's OK", and then the truck blows up, and he says "Maybe not".


24 posted on 04/06/2006 9:44:57 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: feinswinesuksass
Don't have a cow man.
25 posted on 04/06/2006 9:46:57 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"Team America" was basically a parody of Bruckheimer action movies.
26 posted on 04/06/2006 9:48:14 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: HairOfTheDog
I wish I'd kept a ping list of those people.

It would have been a waste of effort. You told them over and over about Muhammad's appearance in Super Best Friends, but they continued to rant away.

27 posted on 04/06/2006 9:48:49 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
I'd forgotten all about that.
28 posted on 04/06/2006 9:50:28 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: feinswinesuksass

I've seen the Simpsons perhaps a half dozen times at most, and not for many years.


29 posted on 04/06/2006 9:51:13 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Nicholas Conradin
"I predict that Muhammed will be revealed to be Cartman's father.

Respectfully, I must disagree with you. I think it is going to be revealed that the writers of "Family Guy" are all Scientologists.

30 posted on 04/06/2006 9:52:34 AM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: EveningStar

Yeah - but that was a rather sympathetic portrayal... That doesn't count to them.


31 posted on 04/06/2006 9:56:36 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: EveningStar; Allegra
Yea, but I bet they don't have the balls to take on the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.


32 posted on 04/06/2006 10:03:09 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: HairOfTheDog

Hopefully of course this will shut all the SP detractors up about Matt and Trey being 'chicken' from attacking Islam. It was pretty good, although I wish it wasn't two parts


33 posted on 04/06/2006 10:08:29 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: HairOfTheDog

True.


34 posted on 04/06/2006 10:09:35 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: billbears

Well, at the very least, if they don't end up actually showing a Muhammad [again]... They can blame the pusses at Comedy Central ;~D


35 posted on 04/06/2006 10:13:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: HairOfTheDog; EveningStar
Don't think for a moment that the Catholic League was also in their cross hairs with some of those comments. This was a brilliant episode.
36 posted on 04/06/2006 10:18:30 AM PDT by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Yeah, but when is South Park going to do a episode about Islam?

Here we go again.... not even mentioning the fact that they have.. Saying bluntly that the problem is they cannot have sex, J*** off, and they have sand in their ass isn't going after Islam?
37 posted on 04/06/2006 10:21:35 AM PDT by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: Volunteer
Respectfully, I must disagree with you. I think it is going to be revealed that the writers of "Family Guy" are all Scientologists.

I'll put my money on that they are crab people.

38 posted on 04/06/2006 10:22:46 AM PDT by mnehring (http://abaraxas.blogspot.com)
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To: mnehrling

bttt


39 posted on 04/06/2006 10:33:21 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: HairOfTheDog

You can download it here

http://www.southparkx.net/episodes/1003-cartoon-wars

for those who didnt see it!


40 posted on 04/06/2006 10:43:57 AM PDT by hoosierboy
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To: dfwgator

Um, have you read the funny pages, lately? Use of others' characters is acceptable for satire, and "The Family Circus'" characters have appeared in all sorts of depraved ways in other strips. I'm sure its creators did NOT approve.

Recently, "Pearls Before Swine" had a fairly long sequence wherein the kids from "Baby Blues" were babysat by Rat, who had them go on a booze run, during which they crashed the family car which exploded into a fireball.


41 posted on 04/06/2006 11:03:52 AM PDT by dangus
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To: HairOfTheDog

By far - one the BEST episodes ever!!

My husband was laughing so hard I thought I might have to give him CPR!!!


42 posted on 04/06/2006 11:07:16 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: eyespysomething; HairOfTheDog

Uh, still... a LOT of that humor was aimed squarely at Family Guy and was NOT self-referential... Like the constant flashbacks...


43 posted on 04/06/2006 11:07:17 AM PDT by dangus
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To: mainepatsfan

Actually, that episode is an excellent response to the critic!


44 posted on 04/06/2006 11:08:31 AM PDT by dangus
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To: mnehrling

>> Saying bluntly that the problem is they cannot have sex, J*** off, and they have sand in their ass isn't going after Islam? <<

Well, I guess this is one faithful Catholic who's skipping the beach this summer... :^D


45 posted on 04/06/2006 11:09:48 AM PDT by dangus
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To: KosmicKitty

I've thought before, that I might die of funny :~D

It's an alarming notion when you know that and still can't stop laughing :~D


46 posted on 04/06/2006 11:09:55 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: dfwgator
Did they get permission from the Family Guy creators?

I don't think they would need to, as it would fall into the category of "fair use" as satire.

I would love to see "Family Guy" do a "South Park" spoof. Maybe Stewie decides that Cartman has to die.

47 posted on 04/06/2006 11:31:46 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 44-48)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Soutpark has been knockin' 'em out of the park lately!



48 posted on 04/06/2006 11:46:03 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Names Ash Housewares

They're remarkably talented guys aren't they?

They just keep getting better!


49 posted on 04/06/2006 11:47:17 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Alouette
Maybe Stewie decides that Cartman has to die.

Stewie against Cartman? That's like bringing the canary to the cat. If Cartman can fool Scott Timmermann into eating his own parents, Stewie wouldn't stand a chance. Cartman is too diabolical, even for Football Head.

50 posted on 04/06/2006 11:50:02 AM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) (If Liberals had as much passion for our troops as they did for Tookie, the war would be over...)
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