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"Man Creates Engine That Consumes No Fuel;
The National Tattler ^ | 7/1/73 | Tom Valentine

Posted on 04/22/2006 2:09:18 AM PDT by BlueSky194

A California inventor has found a way to create limitless electric power without using up fuel --- potentially the greatest discovery in the history of mankind.

Edwin Gray Sr., 48, has fashioned working devices that could:

Power every auto, train, truck, boat and plane that moves in this land --- perpetually.

Warm, cool and service every American home --- without erecting a single transmission line.

Feed limitless energy into the nation's mighty industrial system --- forever.

And do it all without creating a single iota of pollution.

Already, the jovial, self-educated Gray is forcing scientists to uproot their most cherished beliefs about the nature of electromagnetism.

Eventually, his discovery will transform the economic base upon which the society of the entire planet has rested up to this point.

Despite the ever-present danger from the petroleum and other power giants who face business extinction within the decade because of his invention, Gray and his associates in EvGray Enterprises have demonstrated its worth publicly --- an act requiring great courage.

And Tattler is proud to report for the first time in America the complete nature of gray's astounding system.

Displaying the kind of open honesty that made America great, Gray and his partners stress the fact that they want the whole world to benefit from their new technology.

"I won't allow it to be bought up and buried by big money interests", Gray told Tattler during the exclusive demonstration.

"I tried for 10 years to get American interests to pay some attention, but I've been tossed out of more places than most people ever think of going into."

Neither government agencies nor private enterprise would listen to Gray, so he turned in frustration to foreign interests. The innovative Japanese were eager to listen.

"As soon as word got out that the Japanese were interested in what we're doing, the Americans started flocking around."

Today, the small shop facility in Van Nuys is crawling with visitors from every segment of US industry and finance.

"The big money boys from Wall Street started coming around", Gray said with a touch of defiance in his tone.

"A bunch of them came in and suggested I file bankruptcy and get rid of all my backers and friends. Then they talked about giving me 20 million shares of a new corporation at $25 a share."

Gray was being offered a deal worth more than $4 billion --- on paper.

"That sure sounded rich, but I know darn well they would have fixed it up to sell that corporation off somewhere for a dollar and leave me holding 20 million shares of nothing."

The key men at EvGray include Richard B. Hackenberger, an electronics engineer who formerly worked for Sony and Sylvania corporations and the US Navy; and Fritz Lens, a former Volkswagen mechanic who knows nearly as much about the fantastic electrical system as Gray.

All the corporate officers agreed that they are determined to get around the money roadblocks and bestow the discovery upon the world.

Tattler was given a thorough demonstration of Gray's "impossible-but-true" methods for using electricity.

The first demonstration proved that Gray uses a totally different form of electrical current --- a powerful, but "cold" form of the energy.

A 6-volt car battery rested on a table. Lead wires ran from the battery to a series of capacitors which are the key to Gray's discovery. The complete system was wired to two electromagnets, each weighing a pound and a quarter.

"Now, if you tried to charge those two magnets with juice form that battery and make them do what I'm going to make them do, you would drain the battery in 30 minutes and the magnets would get extremely hot", Gray explained.

"I want you to watch what happens."

As Lens activated the battery, a voltmeter gradually rose to 3,000 volts, At that point, Gray closed a switch and there was a loud popping sound. The top magnet hurled into the air with tremendous force and was caught by Hackenberger. A terrific jolt of electricity had propelled the top magnet more than two feet into the air --- but the magnet remained cold.

"The amazing thing", Hackenberger said, "is that only 1% of the energy was used --- 99% went back into the battery."

Gray explained, "The battery can last for a long time, because most of the energy returns to it. The secret to this is in the capacitors and in being able to split the positive."

When Gray said "split the positive", the faces of two knowledgeable physicists screwed up in bewilderment. Normally, electricity consists of positive and negative particles. But Gray's system is capable of using one or the other separately and effectively.

"He means we have to rewrite the physics textbooks", Hackenberger grinned. It has been the engineer's job in recent months to formulate gray's system and put it into writing.

"That's not an easy job because this system actually defies everything I've ever learned."

Gray said, "I never had no schooling in electronics or physics, so nobody told me it was impossible."

The "impossible" part of the demonstration was the lack of heat generated in the magnet. Heat is one of the biggest problems faced by electrical technology. Also "impossible" is the fact that only the "positive" nature of the energy was used.

"This thing is in its infancy", Gray explained. "When the full potential of American technology starts working with it, the results will astound everyone."

A further proof that he has an unusual source of power with unlimited potential was demonstrated next.

"We've been popping those magnets apart for the past 18 months with the same battery and it's still got a full charge. Now I want you to watch this?"

Gray showed this Tattler reporter a small 15-amp motorcycle battery. It was hooked up to a pair of his capacitors which in turn were hooked up to a panel of outlets.

He flicked a switch and the tiny battery sent a charge into the capacitors. He then plugged in six 15-watt electric bulbs on individual cords --- and a 110-volt portable television set and two radios. The bulbs burned brightly, the television played, and both radios blared --- and yet, the small battery was not discharging.

"You couldn't get all this current out of that battery under ordinary circumstances", Gray said.

"This is the most amazing thing I've ever seen!" exclaimed C.V. Wood Jr, president of the McCulloch Oil Corporation, who was also present at the demonstration. He began looking for hidden outlets from the wall.

"May I prove it doesn't come from any wall plug?" Gray offered.

A 40-watt light bulb screwed into an ordinary extension socket was plugged into the panel powered by gray's system. The bulb lit, then Gray dropped it into a cylinder filled with water.

"What would be happening if this was getting ordinary power right now?" Gray asked, as he stuck his hand in the water with the glowing light bulb.

"You'd be electrocuted and that thing would be popping and sputtering until the fuses blew", Wood replied.

This reporter then put his finger into the water with the light --- no shock.

"Gentlemen, this is a new manifestation of electricity", Hackenberger said.

The engineer told the astounded onlookers that no laws of physics were being violated, but a new application of electricity has been discovered and put to work.

Gray, one of 14 children, comes from Washington DC. As a small boy, he was fascinated by electricity, magnets, and gadgets in general.

"I really got excited about electricity when they tested the first radar across the Potomac in 1936. I was 11 years old then and visions of buck Rogers danced in my head."

He learned about radar during his World War II hitch in the Navy and "I've been messing around with coils and capacitors ever since".

He learned to "split the positive" in 1958 and spent the next dozen years finding the funds to put his discovery to work.

Any abbreviated explanation of Gray's system is an over-simplification of the technical aspects of this tremendous breakthrough, but some of the best minds in the US are now working with Gray to further improve his discovery.

Gray held the 40-watt bulb up out of the water and said: " You know, to light this bulb takes millions of dollars in power plant facilities, transmission lines, and circuitry. With my capacitors, I can provide power to any home for a couple hundred dollars."

The economic impact of that statement is beyond the imagination --- not to mention the ecology and anti-pollution benefits.

Tom Valentine & Edwin Gray: Demonstration of "Cold Electricity"~

Merging an electromagnetic motor with an all-plastic body and chassis, two pioneering inventors will put the first fuelless automobile into production and on sale this year.

The revolutionary machine is being called "that car of the future" for Americans today.

"We have the answer to the energy crisis", declared Edwin Gray, the Van Nuys, CA inventor who revolutionized the use of electricity by producing an electromagnetic motor using an ordinary auto battery that does not wear down in a few short miles.

"Our system can eventually solve the world's fuel and pollution problems", Gray told Tattler.

Paul M. Lewis, inventor of the "Fascination", an ultra-modern, "three-point road contact", all-plastic auto. His car of the future lists a number of engineering advantages over today's models, and the EMA motor will slowly replace internal combustion engines

Although it looks like a "three-wheeled" car, the Fascination actually has four wheels. The two front wheels are set close together. It is similar to the front wheels of an aircraft. Thus the name for Lewis' corporation --- Highway Aircraft Corp.

The 77-year-old inventor told Tattler, "Mr. Gray has promised delivery of his EMA motor by March of 1974 and we'll get our car on the road shortly afterwards."

Lewis, a veteran of many hassles with the auto-oil monopoly, was finally forcing his way to the marketplace with an all-new auto design when he heard about the EMA motor.

"We had an advantage over standard cars even with our Renault engine. But, with this motor, the big boys don't have a chance unless they get up to date," the fiery inventor told Tattler. "I've battled the industry tooth and nail for years now, and now we're coming on strong."

In 1936, Lewis designed a three-wheeled car that looked a lot like the present Volkswagen bug. He called it the "Airmobile", and his original model is still on display at Harrah's auto Museum in Reno, NV.

Though he hid not know what Dr. Ferdinand Porsche was doing in Germany, the Lewis Airmobile was amazingly similar to the popular VW beetle.

Both vehicles were low cost, simplistic in design, used horizontal opposed four-cylinder air-cooled engines, transaxles, independent suspension systems and unitized body construction.

When World War II came along, it sent VW soaring in Germany, but killed the Airmobile. Porsche fit into the German establishment, but Lewis was a "crackpot" inventor and a pain in the neck to the economic status quo.

The VW beetle's popularity proves that Lewis' original idea was valid and worthy, despite the laughter from Detroit.

The Airmobile was driven out of business in the late 1930s by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the U.S. Postal Department, who have been called bureaucratic flunkies for the oil-auto monopoly.

"I was harassed for two years and they refused to let me sell stock in my company on the pretense they were investigating possible wrongdoing", Lewis said. "After I was beaten down, they sent representatives to tell me they found nothing wrong and I could sell stock. A man can't make a dead horse walk."

After losing the Airmobile, despite driving it through 26 states for more than 45,000 miles without a repair, Lewis went from Denver to Los Angeles, where he continued inventing.

His inventions made him financially solvent and he charged back into the auto business.

He planned to use his own "boilerless" steam engine in Fascination until the EMA motor came along.

A model of Ed Gray's motor is on display at Lewis' Highway Aircraft Corp., headquarters in Sidney, NE.

"We will eventually have stock to sell, but at this time we simply want the public to keep abreast of our progress", Lewis told Tattler.

Although still in the embryo stage, the merger of the two inventions promises to keep America in the technological forefront of the world.

The first prototype car cost Lewis more than $200,000 to build and the first prototype EMA motor ran close to $1 million to build.

"We will eventually tool up for mass production and bring the costs down considerably", Lewis said. "But the first 100,000 or so fascination cars with the EMA motor will cost the public about $2 per pound. Today's cars cost about $1 per pound, but we're almost twice as light."

The buying public will pay an estimated $5,000 for the Fascination with the EMA motor.

Although the Fascination will be priced with moderate cars and more expensive than economy cars, the savings on fuel and repair costs quadruple its value.

The body of Fascination will be made of Royalex, a tough rubber-like Uniroyal product.

To insure that his radical design will be practical and not only meet but surpass all safety standards, Lewis has contracted with two of the best automobile engineers in the world.

Visioneering, Inc. (Fraser, MI) is concentrating on the Fascination in order to insure it does everything Lewis claimed.

Richard Hackenberger, the electronics engineering expert hired by Gray to put his motor to work on a practical basis, explained how the new car will operate:

"Because we are not taking current directly from the batteries, but rather are supplementing the static charge which operates the system, we are getting fantastic efficiency.

"Of course, further research and development will eventually allow a motorist to drive across the nation without recharging his batteries, but we estimate a family could drive 500 miles at highway speeds without recharging."

Hackenberger said the 500-mile estimate is a "conservative" one and is applicable to a car using air-conditioning or heating and radio.

"Just driving around town, the EMA will last a lot longer without recharging", he said.

The engine will run in any temperature and there is no noise, no cooling system, and no exhaust fumes.

"The battery will go to work when the key is turned on and the light on the dash will glow while the starter motor builds the rotor up to speed. The light is used instead of a tachometer and it will only take a few seconds for the motor to build up and be ready to go."

Hackenberger was quick to explain, "We do not have perpetual motion here. We have an electrostatic generating system and a capacitor bank doing some very efficient work. The principle is based on a modification of Ohm's Law."

The power for the motor is generated by magnetic repulsion. Engineers have tested the motor and it develops 100 horsepower at the brake.

"This means we are as powerful as any standard internal combustion car on the road today. The inefficiency of the internal combustion engine is the reason", he said.


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On the link there are lots of article's about this amazing technology. The oil companies killed it.
1 posted on 04/22/2006 2:09:22 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194
The oil companies killed it.
Actually, the Stonecutters, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and the Skull & Bones conspired to kill it. Art Bell's mail-order bride told me so.
2 posted on 04/22/2006 2:14:13 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: peyton randolph

Did you even read the article.


3 posted on 04/22/2006 2:15:21 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194

The oil companies killed it.




now now, they wouldn't do something like that!


(sarc)


4 posted on 04/22/2006 2:15:23 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (Procrastinators of the world UNITE!!!.....Tomorrow.)
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To: BlueSky194

5 posted on 04/22/2006 2:15:53 AM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: BlueSky194

Maybe this is what Bush meant when he told the Nation that Americans would be "shocked"...You still need oil to make plastics.


6 posted on 04/22/2006 2:19:47 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: BlueSky194
...power every auto, train, truck, boat and plane that moves in this land --- perpetually.

Hackenberger was quick to explain, "We do not have perpetual motion here..."

Did you even read the article.
Yep.
7 posted on 04/22/2006 2:21:12 AM PDT by Number57 ("Life can only be understood backwards; but it must be lived forwards.")
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To: peyton randolph

I thinkd Colonel Sanders was in on it.


8 posted on 04/22/2006 2:21:14 AM PDT by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: BlueSky194
Did you even read the article.

I was skeptical until I read the following: "That sure sounded rich, but I know darn well they would have fixed it up to sell that corporation off somewhere for a dollar and leave me holding 20 million shares of nothing." At that point, he lost all credibility.

Even if the oil companies were trying to kill it (unlikely), someone like Bill Gates would snap it up in a heartbeat because of the ROI if the invention was legit.

9 posted on 04/22/2006 2:22:07 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: BlueSky194
Did you even read the article.

Anyone who did dropped 10 IQ points right there....
10 posted on 04/22/2006 2:22:32 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: NavVet

Col. Sanders was a Freemason. < cue eerie sounding music>


11 posted on 04/22/2006 2:23:09 AM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: NavVet
I thinkd Colonel Sanders was in on it.
Darn. Forgot him...and Elvis too.
12 posted on 04/22/2006 2:23:41 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: BlueSky194

That website that this is linked to is a real hoot. Thanks, I needed a good laugh!!


13 posted on 04/22/2006 2:25:02 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: BlueSky194
Its satire, folks. The perpetual engine has never existed. You can't get anything for free in the real world. If we could, we wouldn't have a modern economy.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

14 posted on 04/22/2006 2:26:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
But the perpetual engine myth goes on forever!
15 posted on 04/22/2006 2:29:31 AM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: peyton randolph
Same guy's father invented the carburetor with would increase gas mileage to 60 MPG. Yea right
16 posted on 04/22/2006 2:30:16 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: goldstategop
The perpetual engine has never existed. You can't get anything for free in the real world.

From this guy's e-mail address, I think he'd disagree with you.

Registrant:
Rex Research
P.O. Box 19250
Jean, NV 89019
US

Domain name: REXRESEARCH.COM

Administrative Contact:
-Nelson, -Robert alchemy618@earthlink.net
P.O. Box 19250
Jean, NV 89019
US
1-702-682-6724
Technical Contact:
-Nelson, -Robert alchemy618@earthlink.net
P.O. Box 19250
Jean, NV 89019
US
1-702-682-6724

17 posted on 04/22/2006 2:32:13 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: BlueSky194
Normally, electricity consists of positive and negative particles.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't electricity the flow of electrons. There are no "positive" particles in electricity. There are positive particles in the wiring and all mass for that matter, and the configuration of the electron shell determines a material's conductivity, but electricity is the movement of electrons, which are purely negative.

18 posted on 04/22/2006 2:34:54 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: uglybiker
But the perpetual engine myth goes on forever!

LOL!!
19 posted on 04/22/2006 2:37:39 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: BlueSky194

If you really buy any of this then I got some beachfront property in Arizona that you might be interested in.


20 posted on 04/22/2006 2:37:52 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: NavVet

I thought those 11 herbs and spices could be used for something else.


21 posted on 04/22/2006 2:39:23 AM PDT by moog
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To: BlueSky194

Art Bell had Bob Lazar ( yes that Bob Lazar) who is working on a cold fusion car right now:

http://www.unitednuclear.com/

Imagine if people had discounted A.G.Bell as a crackpot, we woud still be in the "dark ages"


22 posted on 04/22/2006 2:39:54 AM PDT by Critical Bill (An awareness of the Muslim contradiction must gnaw in even the dullest fundamentalist brain.)
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To: BlueSky194

More links here:

Saturday's main guest, Bob Lazar, known for his stories about Area 51, discussed UFOs as well as his company, United Nuclear, which has developed a Hydrogen Fuel System for automobiles and home power generation. This link about the discovery of Element.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/12/06.html


23 posted on 04/22/2006 2:43:24 AM PDT by Critical Bill (An awareness of the Muslim contradiction must gnaw in even the dullest fundamentalist brain.)
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To: coconutt2000

In fact there is no difference. Positive particles do indeed exist in a sense, and they are all over the computer you are now using.

"Electron holes", which are positive, are the basis for transistor and semiconductor technology.

But still, the article sounds quite off base to me.


24 posted on 04/22/2006 2:44:04 AM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: moog

In 2000, after three decades of work, Dr. Peter Lindemann cracked the secret of Edwin Gray's method. Once the process was understood, the underlying commonality of these other systems became apparent. Dr. Lindemann presented all of this research in a technical lecture in September 2000, and subsequently presented the same material in his book, "The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity."


25 posted on 04/22/2006 2:44:09 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: kb2614

Read this article from 2002.

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/feb2/lindemnn.htm
The Worldof FreeEnergy
Peter Lindemann, D. Sc.



26 posted on 04/22/2006 2:46:22 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194
In case you haven't gotten the point yet about this fraud, check out Tom Valentine's other writings.

How about the one on psychic surgery? Did the medical establishment kill off that discovery too?

27 posted on 04/22/2006 2:47:19 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: Critical Bill

Bob Lazar has a criminal record.

Read that article by Dr. Peter Lindemann.
You can contact Dr. Peter Lindemann.

Dr. Lindemann is one of the foremost authorities on the practical applications of Ether technology and Cold Electricity. He is currently director of research for Clear Tech, Inc., Box 37, Metaline Falls, WA 99153, phone 509-446-2353, fax 509-446-2354.


28 posted on 04/22/2006 2:49:31 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: peyton randolph

Again, read this article from Dr Peter Lindemann and not Tom Valentine.
The World of FreeEnergy

http://www.netmar.com/~maat/archive/feb2/lindemnn.htm


29 posted on 04/22/2006 2:51:56 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: coconutt2000
Electric current consists simply of the flow of charged particles.

It doesn't matter whether they're positive or negative. Usually they're electrons (negative) because they're relatively easy to get sufficiently free of atoms that they can flow; either through a conductor (e.g., a wire), through a gas (e.g., a lightning bolt), or empty space (e.g, a vacuum tube).

But they can be positive too. Most of the world's biggest atom smashers accelerate protons, which are postive particles with the same magnitude of charge as an electron, but about 1836 times their mass.

Another truly weird positive particle is the "hole," which is the absence of an electron where there's "supposed" to be one in a semiconductor material. You'd think that you could just treat holes mathematically like tiny regions that are missing electrons, but you can't. You have to treat them as objects of positive charge and negative mass, which makes sense (to the extent that it does) only through the use of quantum mechanical models of the solid state.

Semiconductor devices (microchips, etc.) depend as much on hole conduction as they do electron conduction.

30 posted on 04/22/2006 2:56:26 AM PDT by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: BlueSky194
Gray said, "I never had no schooling in electronics or physics"

Nor in English, apparently.

31 posted on 04/22/2006 2:57:50 AM PDT by yeff (I rarely LOL, and never ROTF :-Ž)
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To: BlueSky194
Perhaps I am not the only one waiting for me to act on a greater Truth!


LOL!!

Stop it, your killing me!!
32 posted on 04/22/2006 2:58:25 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned.)
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To: BlueSky194

"On the link there are lots of article's about this amazing technology."

The oil companies killed it.On the link there are lots of article's about this amazing technology. The oil companies killed it.Well, hang in there. My son was toying around with Ethanol
idea in mid 1980's and look!!!! Our gasoline now has 2% ethanol. Ethanol is made from corn, (seeds and stalk). My understanding is any grass clipping can be used for ethanol.

When I lived near Van Nuys, I saw that little three wheel "doo dad" going down the street. Sure hope they get it working.

Sad that big business protects itself by "laughing" at new ideas without investigating. Stupidity??? Tyranny of big business. Similar situation with Pharmacy companies and discovery of Hy-pylori bacteria that caused most gastric ulcers (carried by flies). Australia did research years ago (1950). US companies wanted to protect its prescription only Pepsid, Antacids sells, and money spent on research.

Proof, big business does not care about its citizens . its money interest comes first even if we have to take a chance with getting into major nuclear war and killing off
lots of people. Now threatening soverignty of US with Mexican illegal hordes.

My engineering friend from Russia in LA would love to hear about this. He currently works for a company that is downsizing.


33 posted on 04/22/2006 2:58:47 AM PDT by twidle (Just because everybody does it doesn't make it ok!!)
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To: BlueSky194

Of course the origianl title was "Man Creates Engine that Uses No Fuel;Invention could change history by 1984!"

The article was written in 1973.

I remember when we had a perpetual motion car. My dad was so proud. Then a goverment agent, (dressed in black, wearing sunglasses and in company of an Arab Sheik) came to our house, beat up my dad, took the car and forces a large, gas guzzeling Chrysler on us!

I'm sure I'm not alone here! (snicker).


34 posted on 04/22/2006 2:59:21 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Erasmus
BTW, I sure wish I could find a way to make money off these guys. I'm afraid that would be harder than getting anything out of the widow of a dead Nigerian general. In the latter case, it has at least been done.

I guess the only real way to make money in this realm is not to scam the moonbats, but compete with 'em for the dollars of the scamee class.

35 posted on 04/22/2006 3:03:01 AM PDT by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: BlueSky194
While we are at it, make the highways out of rubber so neither they nor your tires would wear out.:)
36 posted on 04/22/2006 3:03:50 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: peyton randolph

You forgot the Illuminati.


37 posted on 04/22/2006 3:05:34 AM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Erasmus

Ok I was kidding.
hahah but I had you people laughing.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/energy2000/message/22998
PETER LINDEMANN'S THEORIES QUESTIONED
Tue Oct 5, 2004
Lindemann's Errors Revealed for Sterling

When I received Lindemann's book when it was first released I asked him over the phone if he had built any of the circuits that he presented and he stated to me that he didn't build any of the circuits but that he was sure that they would work because his theories all fit together.

I can tell you from first-hand experience with the Edwin Gray circuitry and switching tube that it does not generate radiant energy using the polarity that is described in its patent. When it is polarized as described it randomly arcs all over the place and does not conserve current as
intended by the patent disclosures. When a capacitor is discharged quickly most of it's energy is dissipated as wasted heat. It has been reported that Edwin Gray did not allow anyone to get close to his switching circuit and motor.

Why would Gray not want anyone near his invention when it was protected by patents? What was the big secret? Edwin Gray probably did not want anyone to get close enough to his device in fear that someone would find out that the polarity of his circuits were reversed.
When reversed, the switching tube functions in a pre-glow discharge mode and this indeed conserves energy as described in the patent disclosure. The switching tube then performs in a high frequency environment as described in the disclosures of the Gray patent.
Radiant Energy is indeed present within the tube and is not an "event" as theorized by Lindemann because it is operating in a CONTINUOUS and extremely efficient mode generating minimal heat losses. An event is what occurs in pulses like what occurs in a Geiger counter tube.

If Lindemann had confirmed his theories by building the actual circuits he would have observed the heat in the switching tube and certainly would have not called it "cold electricity," another bogus term. Even in the pre-glow discharge mode the tube still gets quite warm. It is the result of the radiant energy field that is alive with moving air ions. However, in the realm of switching tubes it is considered to be a cold cathode device.

As for Lindemann's doctorate degree call him and ask him where he obtained this degree. I was told that he was given this degree by a friend in natural medicine. It is an honorary degree to boot. Is this credible in your eyes?

What you do with the information that I have provided to you is now in your hands. My advise is to do the right thing. As for me, it is back to work I go.

-Bruce A. Perreault

http://www.nuenergy.org/pdf/ion_valve_article.pdf
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/page_36_from_harnessing_cosmic_energy.htm


38 posted on 04/22/2006 3:08:49 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: truemiester
I remember when we had a perpetual motion car. My dad was so proud. Then a goverment agent, (dressed in black, wearing sunglasses and in company of an Arab Sheik) came to our house, beat up my dad, took the car and forces a large, gas guzzeling Chrysler on us!

Their neuralizer battery must have been shot.

< ]B^)

39 posted on 04/22/2006 3:10:26 AM PDT by Erasmus (Eat beef. Someone has to control the cow population!)
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To: BlueSky194

Wow... and thats why its being reported in the "National Tattler"


40 posted on 04/22/2006 3:16:51 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
...I got some beachfront property in Arizona that you might be interested in.

Do you take Paypal?

41 posted on 04/22/2006 3:18:15 AM PDT by Drango (No electrons were harmed in this posting. Several however, were inconvenienced.)
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To: ketelone

Hey i'm sick of paying 3 dollars a gallon.

By the way, what are people's opinion on this technology.
I doubt its legit, but dont go crazy on me.

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/JoeCells/Vesperman_review.htm

http://peswiki.com/energy/Main_Page


42 posted on 04/22/2006 3:21:23 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194

What first caught my attention (other than the apparent violation of the laws of thermodynamics – even if the motor did run on static electricity) was the use of a 6 volt car battery. How long has it been since cars had 6 volt systems? 60 years?
Then I read this – "Mr. Gray has promised delivery of his EMA motor by March of 1974 and we'll get our car on the road shortly afterwards."
I went to the link and found that the article was published in 1973.


43 posted on 04/22/2006 3:33:47 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel
If you really buy any of this then I got some beachfront property in Arizona that you might be interested in.

That could be a good investment. After the Big One hits California …
44 posted on 04/22/2006 3:38:19 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; uglybiker; kb2614
Remember the "Wankle Engine"?

The engine that was going to revolutionize the car motor of the future.

It was only put in a few dinky trucks and was gone in a few years.
45 posted on 04/22/2006 3:39:54 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
While we are at it, make the highways out of rubber so neither they nor your tires would wear out.:)

Now there's a use for all those discarded old tires!

46 posted on 04/22/2006 3:43:39 AM PDT by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: truemiester
I remember when we had a perpetual motion car. My dad was so proud. Then a goverment agent, (dressed in black, wearing sunglasses and in company of an Arab Sheik) came to our house, beat up my dad, took the car and forces a large, gas guzzeling Chrysler on us! >

And I'll bet that Chrysler wouldn't even start on cold mornings! Same thing happened to my family.

47 posted on 04/22/2006 3:47:47 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: BlueSky194
"Hey i'm sick of paying 3 dollars a gallon. "


Me too. But, I built my first house in 1989, for $52 a square foot, including the lot. I build my fourth home two years ago, for $135 a square foot, and that house is currently worth about twice what I paid for it...or, about $270 a square foot.

The price of gas is rough as a cob. But it affects my life one hell of a lot less than the price of a home. It might cost me $6 a day to drive my truck. But, it costs me about $70 a day to own my house.
48 posted on 04/22/2006 3:48:31 AM PDT by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: ketelone

On the other hand,it does have the same credibility as Pinchy's rag.


49 posted on 04/22/2006 3:51:17 AM PDT by Carl LaFong ("You kids get off my lawn")
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To: BlueSky194

bump


50 posted on 04/22/2006 3:54:32 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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