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Indus cities dried up with monsoon
India Telegraph ^ | Sunday, April 30, 2006 | G.S. Mudur

Posted on 05/02/2006 7:20:20 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The earliest settlement in the subcontinent with evidence of agriculture and domestication at Mehrgarh — now in Pakistan — is about 9,000 years old. This coincides with the peak intensification of the monsoon, the study said... The Arabian Sea sediments and other geological studies show that the monsoon began to weaken about 5,000 years ago. The dry spell, lasting several hundred years, might have led people to abandon the Indus cities and move eastward into the Gangetic plain, which has been an area of higher rainfall than the northwestern part of the subcontinent... About 1,700 years ago, the monsoon began to improve again, leading to increased farm produce for several centuries and contributing to the relative prosperity in India during the medieval ages, from AD 700 to 1200. After a weak phase between AD 1400 and 1800, the monsoon has again strengthened over the past 200 years, leading to increasing productivity. Scientists, however, believe that global warming might now be influencing the monsoon.

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aryaninvasion; aryans; godsgravesglyphs; harappan; india; indus; indusvalley; indusvalleyscript; lostcities; lostcity; lostriver; mehrgarh; monsoon; pakistan; tamil
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MJO Key To Monsoon Climate Predictions
by Robert Gutro
A NASA researcher says warmer or colder sea surface temperatures affect the Madden Julian Oscillation, a large-scale atmospheric circulation that regulates rainfall associated with South Asian and Australian monsoons. Monsoon winds change direction with the seasons and develop from changing patterns of atmospheric circulation caused by changes in heating and cooling of land and oceans. The summer monsoon blows southwesterly across the Indian Ocean and is very wet, but in July there usually is a break when the rains stop and re-start. MJO affects that break but MJO also in turn is affected by changes in sea surface temperatures. Man Li Wu, a researcher from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, used computer models to simulate the atmosphere in the region. She noted warmer sea surface temperatures usually are found five to 10 days before the strengthening of the precipitation on the MJO time scale. Changes in sea surface temperatures may be responsible for up to 30 percent of MJO strength fluctuations.
Himalayas Impact Global Climate, Study Finds
National Geographic Society
May 2001
Using geologic records and a computer-driven climate model, the portrait shows the rise of the towering Himalayas and the adjacent Tibetan Plateau, the world's largest, as the primary driver of the onset of Asian monsoons about 8 million years ago, and hints that the rise of the world's tallest mountains and plateau may also have helped set the stage for the Ice Ages that began about 2.5 million years ago... To assess the effects of the rise of the Himalayas and the Tibetan Plateau on climate, the team used a computer model of world climate to show that the mountain and plateau uplift enhanced both the winter and summer Asian monsoons and gave rise to a drying trend in central Asia... The Chinese loess deposits, together with the records from Indian Ocean sediments that indicate onset of the Indian summer monsoon at about the same time, provide physical evidence that is consistent with the computer model's picture of the evolution of Asia's climate.
I wonder if the warmer sea surface temps are found in the computer simulation, or actually found in the world? See also The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850 by Brian M. Fagan, for some accounts of recent monsoon failures in India (one resulted in the disastrous Moslem invasion of India).
1 posted on 05/02/2006 7:20:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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There has been a seeking about for an alibi -- since the early literature of India refers to the sacking of the cities -- which has even resulted in claims that there never was an Aryan invasion, that the Aryans are indigenous, and even that the Indus civilization was Aryan. Another agenda at work is seen in the use of "global warming" in the story.

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2 posted on 05/02/2006 7:22:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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speaking of the monsoon:

Tamil Trade
INTAMM | 1997 | Xavier S. Thani Nayagam
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The Voyage around the Erythraean Sea
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3 posted on 05/02/2006 7:33:52 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: SunkenCiv

Indus Valley

Indus Valley figurine
Indus Valley figurine
Around five thousand years ago, an important civilization developed on the Indus River . From about 2600 B.C. to 1700 B.C. a vast number of settlements were built on the banks of the Indus River and surrounding areas. These settlements cover a remarkable region, almost 1.25 million kilometres of land which is today part of Afghanistan, Pakistan and north-western India.
The cities of the were well-organised
Pot sherd from Harappa
Pot sherd from Harappa
and solidly built out of brick and stone. Their drainage systems, wells and water storage systems were the most sophisticated in the ancient world. They also developed systems of weights and trade. They made jewellery and game pieces and toys for their children. From looking at the structures and objects which survive we are able to learn about the people who lived and worked in these cities so long ago.
Stamp seal from Mohenjo-daro
Stamp seal depicting a rhinoceros from Mohenjo-daro

The people of the Indus Valley Civilization also developed a writing system which was used for several hundred years. However, unlike some other ancient civilizations, we are still unable to read the words that they wrote.

4 posted on 05/02/2006 7:54:17 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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5 posted on 05/02/2006 8:14:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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To: CarrotAndStick; SunkenCiv

Very nice posts by both of you. When I was first learning about the Indus Vally culture in the 1950's, the primary conjecture for the demise was deforestation because of the need for firewood. The people would have had to move to places with trees, and the area would have become desertified. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

6 posted on 05/03/2006 9:34:55 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

I used to tell this to a teacher of mine, back in school, 'If the egg came first, who incubated it???'.


7 posted on 05/03/2006 9:36:52 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: gleeaikin

I've read that an earthquake or two probably caused the now-dried Saraswati river to either change course, or disappear completely. What of that theory?

I must say, as an Indian, the Indian education system stresses very little on the Indus Valley Civilisation. The history of the country may be tiringly long, but this area gets a fraction of the attention it really deserves.

8 posted on 05/03/2006 9:41:23 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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9 posted on 12/15/2014 9:19:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv ( _____________________ Celebrate the Polls, Ignore the Trolls)
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