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Gallina [NM] Man Killed by Pit Bull
Rio Grande Sun ^ | 05/03/06 | Mike Gisick, John Foster

Posted on 05/06/2006 6:55:06 AM PDT by maxwell

Gallina Man Killed by Pit Bull

Juan Garcia attacked, dragged 50 feet

By Mike Gisick and John M. Foster
Rio Grande SUN

A Gallina handyman was mauled by a pit bull Tuesday, then dragged by the dog more than 50 feet, a Rio Arriba County Sheriff’s deputy said. Juan Garcia, 52, died after the attack, which happened at a home off County Road 419 in Gallina.

The dog was later found covered in blood, Rio Arriba County Sheriff's Deputy J.B. Turner said. The dog, named Max, belongs to Julie Coletta Pederson. Pederson told deputies she had no idea what Garcia was doing at the property but acknowledged he occasionally did some odd jobs.

Turner said the victim arrived at the yard Tuesday to find the pit bull behind a gate. However, the gate was "feeble" and the dog managed to push through the bottom.

Once out, the dog began mauling Garcia, then dragged the man 50 to 60 feet down a hill. Two other dogs were present but there was no sign either was involved in the attack, Turner said.

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TOPICS: Local News; Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dogofpeace; maul; newmexico; pitbull
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I want to point out a couple things here, that got this guy killed: the owner was blatantly delinquent in her control (i.e., none) of her property (i.e., the dog); the vic apparently approached the dog alone on the dog's turf without the benefit of the owner present.

My point is, these things add up. I also emphasize that I am not necessarily blaming the victim since I don't know the whole story.

For the thread police: I searched and didn't find this posted already.

1 posted on 05/06/2006 6:55:08 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: maxwell

Gallina is about 2.5 hr west of Taos.


2 posted on 05/06/2006 6:57:36 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell

yes people need to learn how to kill dogs


3 posted on 05/06/2006 6:57:57 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: maxwell

Rio Arriba, a very strange part of the world.


4 posted on 05/06/2006 6:58:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: maxwell
Two other dogs were present but there was no sign either was involved in the attack, Turner said.

Right. They should be brought in for questioning - eyewitnesses, you know ....

5 posted on 05/06/2006 7:00:14 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Ain't that the truth.

It sure is beautiful country though.

6 posted on 05/06/2006 7:00:28 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Flavius

And elect politicians who will not get in their way when they need to kill dogs...


7 posted on 05/06/2006 7:00:30 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
We got enough problems with people, let alone dogs.

I should try to find the article that came out in the Santa Fe New Mexican the other week, where city management is pondering a pit bull ban. They will hit some hardcore opposition to a ban that will be virtually unenforceable, except that they might have better luck with tracking down dogs than meth labs.

8 posted on 05/06/2006 7:05:37 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell

Ahhh, the bustling metropoli of both Coyote and Gallina.....

.....this little incident will live long in the lore of those two hubs of commerce, industry and culture!

</small town sarcasm off>


9 posted on 05/06/2006 7:06:07 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: Flavius
yes people need to learn how to kill dogs

Enlighten us to the technique on killing a pitbull because Guns don't do it very well!

10 posted on 05/06/2006 7:10:45 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: maxwell

Maybe Bob Schultz can work this case. :)


11 posted on 05/06/2006 7:12:04 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: fishtank
Bwahaha...

I am waiting for the near-inevitable "dog-of-peace" poster to show up. Not trying to start a rumble, here; looking for serious discussion and dissection of why this incident occurred. "All pits should be shot" is not a valid answer in my book.

12 posted on 05/06/2006 7:14:18 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Bommer

there is allways one

here try this for a start

http://www.neighborsdog.com/


13 posted on 05/06/2006 7:16:10 AM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Rio Arriba, a very strange part of the world.

With some very strange people living there. I watched the TV news report of this incident, and the woman that owned the dog showed absolutely no remorse or caring about the death of the man, in fact, seemed to have a sappy smile on her face during most of the interview....wonder what she was smoking.

14 posted on 05/06/2006 7:19:45 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I LIVE in a border state, fine the employers and the illegals will go home!)
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To: maxwell

You'd think that pit bulls and meth labs would go together.


15 posted on 05/06/2006 7:22:20 AM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory
The cross sections would overlap to some extent.

Most everyone here has a dog with some pit in it though. Why punish the many for the sins of the few?

16 posted on 05/06/2006 7:25:17 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
Blatently deliquent in control. Own turf doesn't matter. Dogs claim turf.
17 posted on 05/06/2006 7:36:01 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: HostileTerritory
Unfortunately I don't have to look very hard to find this: Police report from April: "City detectives... were involved in a... Narcotics Task Force raid on a house in Pecos. There were approximately 21 pit bulls at the residence and one had been shot and killed by officers..."

Pecos is just SE of Santa Fe. My speculation is, some type of breeding/fighting operations were being run in conjunction to the canine property security deal.

It is up to responsible dog owners to make a stand and counteract such delinquency.

18 posted on 05/06/2006 7:38:23 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: spunkets
Yeah that thread has already succumbed to knee-jerk comments like "I would rather own a hand grenade than a pit-bull."

I am not going on that thread.

19 posted on 05/06/2006 7:43:02 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell

It's amazing that a grown man could be killed by this dog.

It's usually women and children first.

But, dogs are incredibly strong.

Bubba, for example, my exceedingly large and even more exceedingly greedy, Lab wanted to get at a bird. A bird carcass that is.

I was holding with all my might, he had a pinch collar on. It should have hurt him a little to pull like that.

I couldn't hold him. I called to a passer by to help me and he gave me the, "Lady, you've gotta be kidding" look.

Can't really blame him. Bubba is big and black. But then, so was he.

Funny how strong animals are.

But Pit Bulls are really sweet and misunderstood.


20 posted on 05/06/2006 7:45:27 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: maxwell

Most everyone here has a dog with some pit in it??

So, I guess "most everyone here" lives in hell, is that your conclusion.

Congrats on making the final 100 most stupid statements I've read on FR.


21 posted on 05/06/2006 7:47:03 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: altura
But Pit Bulls are really sweet and misunderstood.

My knee-jerk assumption is that you're being sarcastic...

Regardless: pits are misunderstood. People misunderstand how to handle them effectively, and when that misjudgement plays itself out in violence, folks hit one extreme or the other. I gave up painting the world in black-and-white a long time ago.

22 posted on 05/06/2006 7:49:41 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
There were approximately 21 pit bulls at the residence

C-130

23 posted on 05/06/2006 7:50:39 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: altura
So, I guess "most everyone here" lives in hell, is that your conclusion.

Only on my third cup of coffee, so not sure where this is coming from.

I'm positive that I could come up with some real whing-bangers if you're looking for stupid comments, however.

24 posted on 05/06/2006 7:51:47 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell

Hey, I'm sorry I said that. I haven't had much coffee at all, just a third of a cup.


25 posted on 05/06/2006 7:54:30 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: maxwell

I'd question what the guy was doing to cause the dog to get so mad as to get out of the gate in the first place. Sounds more likely the dog was doing it's duty in guarding the property.


26 posted on 05/06/2006 7:56:11 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Another one for ya!


27 posted on 05/06/2006 7:56:40 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Sounds more likely the dog was doing it's duty in guarding the property.

This was my first speculation, hence my comment above about not judging the vic since I don't have more info.

28 posted on 05/06/2006 7:58:43 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: altura

No problem, just trying to understand where that was coming from.


29 posted on 05/06/2006 7:59:46 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
Some interesting snips from the article....

"Pederson is the ex-wife of Antony Coletta, Turner said. Antony Coletta was arrested Oct. 6, 2005, after he entered an Española casino with $22,000 in cash, a handgun and a badge, claiming to be an international police agent."

"Davis said she spoke with Antony Coletta last week, and he told her that he and Garcia had been having a disagreement. Coletta then left the store as Garcia arrived in the parking lot, Davis said. She said she saw the two men arguing outside, but did not know what the argument was about."

I ran across an article a couple a days ago that has some additional info...

"Deputies are trying to determine whether Garcia was intoxicated at the time of the attack after finding a can of beer at the scene.

Coletta says that Garcia, who had done work for her in the past, had been told that he wasn’t supposed to be at her home unless she was there.
link

30 posted on 05/06/2006 8:02:39 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: kanawa
Thanks kanawa.

Not rushing to judgement here, but sounding more and more like the vic was contributing to things.

Like I am trying to hammer home above, these situations seem to be alot more complex than "devil-pit ruthlessly mauls innocent human out of the wild blue yonder".

31 posted on 05/06/2006 8:05:35 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: mtbopfuyn
"I'd question what the guy was doing to cause the dog to get so mad as to get out of the gate in the first place.

You don't know that dogs bounce off the fence trying to get at whoever's on the other side? They're always trying to burrow out, like this one did. Some are chained and all they do is try to break the chain.

" Sounds more likely the dog was doing it's duty in guarding the property."

Then the dog would be inside the house. Else the entire house must be securely fenced and marked. This dog was outside it's fence.

32 posted on 05/06/2006 8:07:06 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: altura

It's amazing that a grown man could be killed by this dog.

42 year old male owner killed by his Pits last year:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/12/national/main694926.shtml


33 posted on 05/06/2006 8:08:02 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: maxwell
Max, there was no need for you to post this article, which maligns a fine and noble breed.

It's true that now and again Pit Bulls carry off the odd child, perhaps devour a letter carrier or two every once in a while, or occasionally kill some blundering handy-man who wrongfully invades their "turf."

But it's a big country, Max. These few hundred, or certainly no more than a thousand or two, cases evey year are nothing compared to the hours of pleasure and guard service these wonderful pets render their sensitive and caring owners, many of whom belong to colorful neighborhood organizations, and some of whom are engaged in ground-breaking research in domestic production of OTC pharmaceuticals.

Yes, Max, the brave Pit Bull is a breed apart, and so are their owners. In fact, I think Pit Bull owners should be allowed to share their cells with their pets.

34 posted on 05/06/2006 8:13:33 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Any legal immigrant who wants to join me as an American, is welcome.)
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To: maxwell

It is illegal to set booby traps in ones yard or home for would be lawbreakers while owning dogs that have a reputation of attacking people is perfectly legal. I believe this is food for thought for lawmakers.


35 posted on 05/06/2006 8:15:05 AM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: maxwell
"When a man declares: "There are no blacks and whites, only grays" he is making a psychological confession, and what he means is: "I am unwilling to be wholly good -- and please don't regard me as wholly evil!"

AYN RAND
36 posted on 05/06/2006 8:16:33 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: maxwell
"Regardless: pits are misunderstood."

I understand pit bulls. They are bred to to fight bulls and be extremely aggressive. Even though some of the aggression has been bred out in some of the lines, the fact is, a pit bull can never be relied upon not to ever exhibit it's inherent breeding.

I have a border collie. Even if I tried, I could not stop my collie from instinctively wanting to herd.

Dogs have been bred for certain work. To ascertain that any dog will some how over come what it has been bred for over centuries is pretty stupid imo.
37 posted on 05/06/2006 8:20:01 AM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Bwahaha!

Right clever of you, Ken. Pat yerself on the back there.

Now: you and I see this orthogonally. The way I see it, some "fine and noble" homo erecti are being maligned.

38 posted on 05/06/2006 8:22:59 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"When a man declares: "There are no blacks and whites, only grays" he is making a psychological confession, and what he means is: "I am unwilling to be wholly good -- and please don't regard me as wholly evil!"

I guess that is one way to look at it.

Acknowledging gray areas can also be a mark of pragmatism. We could get into alot here.

39 posted on 05/06/2006 8:25:37 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: jazusamo
It is illegal to set booby traps in ones yard or home for would be lawbreakers while owning dogs that have a reputation of attacking people is perfectly legal. I believe this is food for thought for lawmakers.

Personal property rights should also be food for thought for lawmakers.

40 posted on 05/06/2006 8:26:38 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Sweetjustusnow
To ascertain that any dog will some how over come what it has been bred for over centuries is pretty stupid imo.

I agree. This is where the concept of responsible stewardship of one's property comes in.

41 posted on 05/06/2006 8:28:26 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell

"I agree. This is where the concept of responsible stewardship of one's property comes in."

Responsible stewardship for a Pit Bull: Roofed steel wire cage, steel wire floor in cage two feet down. Chain collar, chain leash (To be put on before opening the door, dog must come to the wire), two or three bulls in secure ring, excercise dog on bulls 3 times a week.


42 posted on 05/06/2006 8:35:37 AM PDT by Sweetjustusnow (Mr. President and Representatives, do your duty to uphold our laws or you are all gone.)
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To: maxwell
Personal property rights should also be food for thought for lawmakers.

True, but many personal property rights are limited by law and many of the limitations pertain to public safety.

In many if not the majority of cases like this, the owner is as much responsible as the animal. If laws were enacted that make the owner responsible for the actions of their pets, I believe people would take the responsibility of owning one much more seriously.

It is a pathetic thing that in this day and age we have hundreds of people a year in our country being killed and maimed by so-called pets.

43 posted on 05/06/2006 8:43:19 AM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: maxwell

I hear the people of Gallina taste like chicken.


44 posted on 05/06/2006 8:43:55 AM PDT by Porterville (I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
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To: maxwell

Gallina Man? Is that like a manbearpig?


45 posted on 05/06/2006 8:46:01 AM PDT by Porterville (I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
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To: Porterville

This is supposed to be a serial thread, dude.


46 posted on 05/06/2006 8:50:37 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell

You are confusing "property rights" with "liability"

The victim could have easily been a meter reader from a utility company or a kid merely chasing a ball onto the front yard. The liability is still the same for the owner.

The real question here is the owner criminally responsible for the man's death?

"Did the dogs previously escape from the feeble gate?"

"Any previous complaints about the dogs viciousness?"

"Was the maintenance man invited or is this just a CYA story?"

"Did she know Pit Bulls lead in human fatalities and failed to secure them properly?"


A few Yesses and she's looking at potential Manslaughter charges.


Oh... My condolences to the victim, since it was never mentioned.


47 posted on 05/06/2006 8:54:18 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Wristpin
Well, see, this is another one of those situations where the factors stack up like dominoes.

I agree that the burden is on the owner.

48 posted on 05/06/2006 9:03:18 AM PDT by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: Sweetjustusnow

That's so true. About the spiritus mundi in the doggy.

I cannot keep Bubba from birds. He somehow knows he is supposed to retrieve birds. Unfortunately, that is where his knowledge stops. He will not drop them or return them to master. He will carry them home and finally 'leave' when his father explains the situation to him.

The point is that Pit Bulls have a strain of madness and aggression. sometimes it never comes out during a dog's lifetime. Probably most times it doesn't.

But why take a chance on this breed when there are so many good dogs of all sizes and temperments in the world.

Don't end up being the granny who says, "Fang was always so sweet with my little Tommy. I don't understand why Fang decided to maim Tommy. Oh, well, Tommy is in a better place now."


49 posted on 05/06/2006 9:27:27 AM PDT by altura (Bushbot No. 1 - get in line.)
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To: altura
Just a personal story not meant to indicate anything universal....

I had adopted and old cockatiel.
It never had much human interaction and so was a challenge to get it to be friendly.
I gave it the run of my room and it used to fly around occassionally.
Sometimes it would land on the bed near my dog and he would just look at it.
One day I was crouched on the floor next to my dog when 'Birdee' swooped down and landed (crashed) on the floor right before us.
My dog lunged forward and the next thing I saw was the dog's closed mouth with a couple of feathers sticking out.
In retrospect it was funny. The dog had the look of 'okay what do I do now' about him.
I was very concerned and gave him the 'ptuii' command to drop it.
He opened his mouth and out hopped Birdee no worse for wear.
It was interesting that his instinct was to capture the bird yet he did so with a gentle mouth and he is not what is usually known as a bird dog.

50 posted on 05/06/2006 9:49:05 AM PDT by kanawa
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