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Posted on 05/16/2006 11:30:01 AM PDT by blam
Tuscany's Etruscan claim knocked
Modern Tuscans not descendants of ancient people, DNA says
(ANSA) - Rome, May 16 - The Tuscans' proud claim to be the descendants of the ancient Etruscans has taken a knock .
A DNA comparison of Etruscan skeletons and a sample of living Tuscans has thrown up only "tenuous genetic similarities", said lead researcher Guido Barbujani of Ferrara University .
"If the Tuscans were the direct descendants of the Etruscans the DNA should be the same," said Barbujani, a genetecist who coordinated the study with Stanford University in the United States .
The study, which appears in the current edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concludes that most modern Tuscans are descended from a non-Etruscan people .
However, it leaves a ray of hope for the Tuscans, who often boast about the heritage that makes them different from other Italians .
"It could be that the skeletons from which we extracted the DNA belonged to an elite group that did not spread demographically," Barbujani said .
The Etruscans are believed to have formed the first advanced civilisation in Italy, based in an area called Etruria, corresponding mainly to present-day Tuscany and northern Lazio .
At the height of their power at around 500 BC - when Rome itself was subjugated - they spread to the foothills of the Alps and southward close to Naples .
Modern knowledge of their civilisation is based largely on archaeological finds, as much of their language has yet to be deciphered .
For many people the Etruscans have a romantic, mysterious aura and there is a raft of web sites devoted to them .
They are a particular favourite among New Age fans .
Well we're all related to each other as 16th cousins.
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Friggin' Tuscan raiders.
Boycott The Olive Garden.
Bean munching racists.
I visited an Etruscan necropolis near Assisi on our visit a few years back.
Pretty interesting stuff. Supposedly the tombs had been discovered back in 1905, but not considered important enough to develop as a tourist attraction until some 70 years later.
The funeral casks and tunnel decor all sported mostly Greek symbols, like Medusa. Many of the casks had dragons on them. Sorry, no unicorns.
Boy, wait'll the Tuscan Chamber of Commerce hears about this!
Not really ~ many families kept it, so to speak, in the family. The French royals, for example, adhered to a standard where no one "bred" within 4 degrees of consaqnguinity, but they didn't "breed" beyond that either. This kept the royal family at 500 or so members for about 500 years.
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Ditto to that !!
I've been waiting for someone to start point to the various French royal family "batard", but they haven't.
Actually, a lot of those guys were off in other lines that didn't stand in line for the throne for any number of reasons. Until the formal establishment of the Royal Mistress (with a formerly Protestant King), the main line folks look to have been pretty well supervised by the various ladies in waiting, gentlemen of the guard, and so forth who actually watched everything these people did all their lives.
The King of France, sad to say, was watched in his toilet. I cannot imagine living a live with no privacy at all.
I don't know about all french kings, but at least one went to the toilet surrounded by his 'fanclub'çause he was so proud of owning a toilet that he wanted to show off. At least according to Discovery channel.
Paternal mitochondria survive for a few hours? And they exchange DNA with maternal mitochondria?!
It makes sense, but I had no idea! Shame on me.
On the other hand, he might well have gotten a new one, and that fact, not the toilet, might have been worth noting.
DNA Boosts Herodotus’ Account of Etruscans as Migrants to Italy
NY Times | April 3, 2007 | NICHOLAS WADE
Posted on 04/03/2007 9:27:29 PM PDT by neverdem
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