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UFO Research: Findings vs. Facts
SPACE.com ^ | u Jun 22, 7:00 AM ET | Leonard David

Posted on 06/24/2006 9:27:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin

For decades now, eyes and sky have met to witness the buzzing of our world by Unidentified Flying Objects, termed UFOs or simply flying saucers. Extraterrestrials have come a long way to purportedly share the friendly skies with us.

UFOs and alien visitors are part of our culture—a far-out phenomenon when judged against those "low life" wonders Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster.

And after all those years, as the saying goes, UFOs remain a riddle inside a mystery wrapped in an enigma. Why so? For one, the field is fraught with hucksterism. It's also replete with blurry photos and awful video. But then there are also well-intentioned and puzzled witnesses [See Top 10 Alien Encounters Debunked].

Scientifically speaking, are UFOs worth keeping an eye on?

Unusual properties

There have been advances in the field of UFO research, said Ted Roe, Executive Director of the National Aviation Reporting Center on Anomalous Phenomena (NARCAP), based in Vallejo, California.

"The capture of optical spectra from mobile, unpredictable luminosities is one of those innovations. More work to be done here but [there are] some good results already."

NARCAP was established in 2000 and is dedicated to the advancement of aviation safety issues as they apply to, what they term Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).

Roe said that a decade from now, researchers should have even better instrumentation at their disposal and better data on UAP of several varieties. His forecast is that scientific rigor will prevail, demonstrating that there are "stable, mobile, unusual, poorly documented phenomena with quite unusual properties manifesting within our atmosphere," he told SPACE.com.

Paradigm shifting

NARCAP has made the case that some of these phenomena have unusual electromagnetic properties. Therefore, they could disrupt microprocessors and adversely effect avionic systems, Roe explained, and that for those reasons and others UAP should be considered a hazard to safe aviation.

"It is likely that either conclusion will fly in the face of the general assertion that UAP are not real and that there are no undocumented phenomena in our atmosphere," Roe continued. That should open the door, he said, to the realization that there's no good reason to discard outright the possibility that extraterrestrial visitation has occurred and may be occurring.

"Physics is leading to new and potentially paradigm shifting understandings about the nature of our universe and its physical properties," Roe said. "These understandings may point the way towards an acceptance of the probability of interstellar travel and communication by spacefaring races."

Sacred cows to the slaughter

As UFO debunker Robert Sheaffer's web site proclaims, he's "skeptical to the max." He is a fellow of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal and a well-known writer on the UFO scene.

Being an equal-opportunity debunker, Sheaffer notes that he refutes whatever nonsense, in his judgment, "stands in the greatest need of refuting, no matter from what source it may come, no matter how privileged, esteemed, or sacrosanct … sacred cows, after all, make the best hamburger."

Sheaffer told SPACE.com, in regards to the cottage industry of UFO promoters, there's a reason there are still so many snake-oil sellers.

"It's because nobody, anywhere, has any actual facts concerning alleged UFOs, just claims. That allows con-men to thrive peddling their yarns," Sheaffer said. "UFO believers are convinced that the existence of UFOs will be revealed 'any day now'. But it's like Charlie Brown and the football: No matter how many times Lucy pulls the football away—or the promised 'disclosure' fails to happen—they're dead-certain that the next time will be their moment of glory."

Trash from the past

"I would have to say that we're stuck in neutral," said Kevin Randle, a leading expert and writer on UFOs and is known as a dogged researcher of the phenomena. There's no real new research, he said, and that's "because we have to revisit the trash of the past."

Randle points to yesteryear stories, one stretching back in time to a supposed 1897 airship crash in Aurora, Texas, long proven to be a hoax by two con men—yet continues to surface in UFO circles.

Then there's the celebrated Thomas Mantell saga, a pilot that lost his life chasing a UFO in 1948. There are those that contend he was killed by a blue beam from a UFO, Randle said "even though we have known for years that the UFO was a balloon and he violated regulations by climbing above 14,000 feet without oxygen equipment. I mean, we know this, and yet there are those who believe that Mantell was killed by aliens."

Randle's advice is to the point: "We need to begin to apply rigorous standards of research … stop accepting what we wish to believe even when the evidence is poor, and begin thinking ahead."

Paucity of physical evidence

"I've no doubt that UFOs are here to stay," said Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California. "I'm just not convinced that alien craft are here to stay … or for that matter, even here for brief visits. "First, despite a torrent of sightings for more than a half-century, I can't think of a single, major science museum that has alien artifacts on display," Shostak said. "Contrast this paucity of physical evidence with what the American Indians could have shown you fifty years after Christopher Columbus first violated their sea-space. They could have shown you all sorts of stuff—including lots of smallpox-infested brethren—as proof that they were being 'visited,'" he said.

When it comes to extraterrestrial visitors in the 21st century, the evidence is anecdotal, ambiguous, or, in some cases, artifice, Shostak suggested.

Calling it "argument from ignorance", Shostak pointed to the claim that aliens must have careened out of control above the New Mexico desert simply because some classified government documents sport a bunch of blacked-out text. "How does the latter prove the former?"

Sure, the missing verbiage is consistent with a government cover-up of an alien crash landing, Shostak said. "But it's also consistent with an infinitude of other scenarios…not all of them involving sloppy alien pilots," he added.

Shostak said that it is not impossible that we could be visited. It doesn't violate physics to travel between the stars, although that's not easy to do.

"But really, if you're going to claim—or for that matter, believe—that extraterrestrials are strafing the cities, or occasionally assaulting the neighbors with an aggression inappropriate for a first date, then I urge you to find evidence that leaves little doubt among the professionally skeptical community known as the world of science."

Residue of sightings

Why is there precious little to show that world of science that UFOs merit attention?

"Obviously there is not a simple answer, but part of it is reluctance of the scientific community to support such research," explained Bruce Maccabee, regarded as a meticulous researcher and an optical physicist using those talents to study photographs and video of unexplained phenomena.

Why this reluctance?

"In my humble opinion it is largely a result of 'tradition'…tradition set by the U.S. Air Force in the early years when they publicly stated that everything was under control, they were investigating…and finding nothing that couldn't be explained," Maccabee said.

Nevertheless, Maccabee observed, work on the phenomenon will carry on.

"UFO studies will continue until all the old cases have either been explained or admitted to being unexplainable—meaning a residue of sightings that could be ET related—and/or until people stop seeing unexplainable UFO-like events throughout the world," Maccabee concluded.


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1 posted on 06/24/2006 9:27:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin
Ben, just because you have not seen a UFO does not mean they do not exist.

Millions of people around the world over several decades have seen them. Famous people have claimed to have seen them. I have seen one, too (up close).

If you want to play pretend, shut your eyes and cover your ears, you can go right ahead and do so. But it is impossible to debunk undeniable fact. And it is the height of arrogance to believe we are the only form of intelligent life in the universe.

2 posted on 06/24/2006 9:35:02 AM PDT by Houmatt (Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!)
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To: BenLurkin
Well if there are no little green people from outer space - how do you account for this posted on DU?

'The majority of americans continue to believe lead-headed coincidence theories about how the bush cabal had no connection whatsoever to 9-11, and that it was merely a coincidence that this event was crucial to their plans to invade Iraq and establish military control over the middle east."

Earthlings are not that gullible are they?
3 posted on 06/24/2006 9:38:37 AM PDT by vimto
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To: Houmatt
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The article and the link speak for themselves. I am sufficiently open-minded to be interested in any point on point rebuttal.

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I've seen plenty of things in the air that I couldn't identify -- especially at night.

What I have not seen is anything, the appearance of which excluded or prohibited the conclusion that it was of terrestrial origin or some natural phenomena.

If I ever did see such a thing I'd hope to get a good long look at it. In fact, I wouldn't mind investigating the subject -- most witnesses never seem to be questioned at all effectively.

4 posted on 06/24/2006 9:47:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: BenLurkin
I have no reason to believe that there AREN'T space aliens investigating us here and there, but....

What I'd ask people to consider is that these reports started coming in around 1946 - 48, i.e. at the precise time that many people riding around in piston engined aircraft started seeing the occasional jet go by them at two to three times their own rate of speed. A P51 or F8 might have had an outright top speed of 430 or thereabouts, but no piston engined plane ever cruised at that speed; cruising speed for piston engined planes was never much more than 250.

5 posted on 06/24/2006 9:54:20 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: BenLurkin

They want FTL travel yet they continue to be mesmerized with electromagnetics. It's a farce starring the Three Stooges.


6 posted on 06/24/2006 9:57:58 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Houmatt
I have seen one, too (up close).

BS

7 posted on 06/24/2006 9:59:14 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: tomzz
Some of those experimental German aircraft sure looked like something out of Buck Rogers.


8 posted on 06/24/2006 10:03:01 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: BenLurkin

It's hard to see the string until it hits a knot.


9 posted on 06/24/2006 10:05:12 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale
It's hard to see the string until it hits a knot.

Thats pretty pithy -- onto my Potential Tagline list it goes!

10 posted on 06/24/2006 10:08:38 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: BenLurkin

11 posted on 06/24/2006 10:19:30 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: shibumi

'Faraday wept' ping.


12 posted on 06/24/2006 10:32:41 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent)
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To: RightWhale

LOL


13 posted on 06/24/2006 10:56:05 AM PDT by avatarity (Let the free market take care of itself.)
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To: BenLurkin

The fact is, the truth is out there.... :)


14 posted on 06/24/2006 11:01:23 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Houmatt
>just because you have not seen a UFO does not mean they do not exist

Umm, if I pretend
to believe, will a sexy
redhead lick my face?

15 posted on 06/24/2006 11:04:40 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: RightWhale
Wrong answer, pal.

In late 1985, I was living in New Paltz, NY, in a boarding house with my brother. We were sharing a room on the first floor and one evening he, the landlord and another person were outside in the backyard while I was in the room, reading a book.

My brother, Frank, ran to an open window and shouted to me, "Matt! Come out here! Quick!" Because of the urgency, I jumped up and out of the house, running to where he was. At that, he pointed up in a direction to my right and said, "Look!"

That's when I saw it: A triangular object, with lights all over it, a few hundred feet in the air and as many yards away from us, moving very slowly over the trees, and making absolutely no sound whatsoever.

Now, Frank decided to contact the local Sheriff, who contacted the nearest air base. The Sheriff's office told us the air base responded with, "It's just a fleet of planes flying in close formation." Uh-uh. For one thing, at that altitude, even at night, the shapes of the planes would have been quite discernible. For another, again from that altitude, the sound of the jet engines would have been very loud indeed.

Are you going to tell me I did not see what I know I saw? What was personally witnessed by three other people?


16 posted on 06/26/2006 6:00:02 AM PDT by Houmatt (Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!)
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To: Houmatt

You saw something, but not up close. You have no hard evidence, nobody ever does. All word pictures, stories, flapping of gums.


17 posted on 06/26/2006 11:13:09 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Houmatt

Have you posted the details of your sighting hereon? Would love to read them.

Thanks.


18 posted on 06/26/2006 11:21:31 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: BenLurkin

To state yet again . . . my close blood relative saw them coming and going routinely in his Nevada highly classified job.


19 posted on 06/26/2006 11:22:54 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: RightWhale

Really BS?

Just because YOU haven't seen one up close?

Ahhhhh, yes. Proof positive. /sar

Somehow, I'll take my relative's word over yours easily.


20 posted on 06/26/2006 11:24:14 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Houmatt

Well put.


21 posted on 06/26/2006 11:26:27 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

Got a piece of it? If not, you have nothing. If you have a piece of it, call Art Bell. Call Hoagland, but he doesn't believe in these things so he'll probably hang up.


22 posted on 06/26/2006 11:26:29 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale

Will be interesting . . . would be interesting . . .

to see the line your gums and lips form when you see such up close.

And you will.


23 posted on 06/26/2006 11:27:09 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: BenLurkin; Las Vegas Dave

for the ping list, I think.


24 posted on 06/26/2006 11:28:17 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: RightWhale

Oh, I think I have quite a lot more than you . . . a construction on reality much broader; less rigid; less narrow; less brittle; more applicable to what is.


25 posted on 06/26/2006 11:29:58 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

I have been watching the sky for 60 years, amateur astonomer. Every day, every night. Seen a lot of things--no UFOs. Present any hard evidence, an ashtray, a handtowel, a pillow mint, anything.


26 posted on 06/26/2006 11:31:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Quix

IOW, no hard evidence.


27 posted on 06/26/2006 11:33:35 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Houmatt
I have seen one, too (up close).


28 posted on 06/26/2006 11:33:40 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: RightWhale; All

You sure sound like a high priest of the religion of Scientism.

Fascinating.

You keep right on being super cautious about them thar TYPE II ERRORS. I hear tell it's much more fun to die from a TYPE II error. Some rumors are that absolute dismembered, decapitated death from a TYPE II error doesn't REALLY leave you dead. But, then, you know how rumors are.


29 posted on 06/26/2006 11:41:08 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

If you have hard evidence, present it.


30 posted on 06/26/2006 11:42:37 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale

I could probably think of a few thousand folks I'd rather present it to first.

I'm not overly fond of chipping through the hard outer layers to get info in. If it doesn't at least seep in--even if slowly, I'm more likely to decide it's not worth the struggle.

But, like I said . . .

You go right on keeping that DEATH GRIP on your preferred way to die--via a TYPE II error.

All the while saying louder and louder in your own mind your favorite beloved mantra:

"THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TYPE II ERROR!"
"THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A TYPE II ERROR!"
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Please God, let there be no such thing as a TYPE II ERROR. My pride couldn't stand it.

Oh, that's right. High priests of Scientism don't believe in God either.

My error.


31 posted on 06/26/2006 11:52:16 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

No hard evidence. Case closed.


32 posted on 06/26/2006 11:53:57 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale

The case is far from closed.

Now minds are another matter.


33 posted on 06/26/2006 11:56:19 AM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

L
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34 posted on 06/26/2006 12:10:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Quix

It's one thing to have an open mind, and quite another to believe ridiculous crap.

To reject ridiculous crap is an internal mental assessment of the evidence.

Rejecting nonsense is not evidence of a closed mind.


35 posted on 06/26/2006 12:10:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Nabber

Oh yeah, and that moment was witnessed by a Senator who happens to be a vampire.


36 posted on 06/26/2006 12:13:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Dog Gone

Have you ever examined George Kelly's ROLE CONSTRUCT theory etc.

There's the issue of personal constructs. No individual nor culture has ever been found anywhere which used more than 26 constructs with which to construe, define, channel reality.

Permeability is an interesting concept within that body of data.

So is the breadth of . . . scope of applibility of the primary constructs.

Anyway--have been quite happy with mine on all such scores.

I might hazard some guesses about yours. But you're only interested in tangible evidence.

Not sure what you do about loving other people . . . that pesky intangible stuff . . .


37 posted on 06/26/2006 12:20:38 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

I'm not familiar with George Kelly or his theory.

It sounds as if he, and perhaps you, believe that reality can be tailored to your personal taste. Is that accurate?

And I'm not sure where the "loving other people" angle fits into this thread at all.


38 posted on 06/26/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

It sounds as if he, and perhaps you, believe that reality can be tailored to your personal taste. Is that accurate?
-- - - - -

NO! NOT AT ALL in the sense that you seem to mean. 0.00% accurate.

Perhaps you're that accurate in your assumptions about UFO's, too.

Loving people . . . perhaps that one's worth pondering some more.


39 posted on 06/26/2006 1:13:01 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Quix

Not waiting for a response, I went ahead and did some research.

Kelley is correct that each of us creates our own reality, but even he isn't saying that it changes physical reality. In your reality, UFOs and other psychic and prophetical things may be real, but that doesn't make them real.

I believe there's a one reality. Whether or not one is able to discern it is a different matter.


40 posted on 06/26/2006 1:19:53 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Quix
Okay.

When and where FRiend?
41 posted on 06/26/2006 1:53:34 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; airborne; albertp; andysandmikesmom; areafiftyone; aruanan; ...

Pinging, per Quix's request.....


42 posted on 06/26/2006 3:17:42 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: BenLurkin

A late great aunt of mine saw two flying saucers and a burn circle. I'll believe her over you any day.


43 posted on 06/26/2006 4:10:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Houmatt

Count me as one who has seen one. What I saw WASN'T from Earth.


44 posted on 06/26/2006 4:19:57 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: RightWhale

I never thought that there was any doubt in my mind that they didn't exist. But when I saw one up close, I remember saying to myself repeatedly "My God, they really DO exist!"


45 posted on 06/26/2006 4:22:15 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanks for the ping.


46 posted on 06/26/2006 4:24:43 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanx Dave. Always like the updates.


47 posted on 06/26/2006 4:35:27 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: BenLurkin

You can be sure that those who make a living off their sighting or what have you have squandered their credibility.

I sent my report to MUFON, Stanton Friedman, and a very few others before posting it on FR. My 1200 foot long dark grey cylinder in 1965, the length based on a Hagstrom Street map, is apparently more in the order of 1700 feet long, due to modern satellite images and maps of the area.

Either way, I don't give a fiddler's fugh who believes it or not; but it did change the way I believe in everything that was being spoon-fed to me as a 10 year old at that time and to this day.


48 posted on 06/26/2006 4:38:44 PM PDT by Solamente (Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out...)
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To: RightWhale
Sometimes there is hard evidence. Contrast that to Astronomy, and limit the data source to just stars, what physical evidence do you have other than light spectra? Not much. This not to say that astronomy is bunk, it certainly isn't, but if that science can be supported by optics and radar, but not chunks of stars of bits of extrasolar planets, it isn't unreasonable to consider the reality of UFO's. Ufology has photographic data, spectra, soil evidence, physical adjuncts manifested in materials and sometimes people after encounters, and of course the anecdotal evidence - it really isn't a narrow base of evidence on which the study rests.

That said, not all of us who study such stuff fall for everything that is included in the pop culture spectra. Crop Circles? I don't know what they are. Abductions? Another area of inquiry that holds more physical data than people realize, but not *necessarily* a ufological phenomena. Face on Mars? It is intriguing, but is in no way logical linked with UFOs in my mind. Hoagland is a functional moron.

There are constants in the Ufology, the things repeat themselves. Whatever they may be.

"All word pictures, stories, flapping of gums."

Until we have the ability to directly measure a phenomenon that is difficult to anticipate, it is hard to have much else. There were efforts that met with some success outside of Austin, Project Starlight International, I think was the outfit. They gathered more than pics and tales.
49 posted on 06/26/2006 4:41:15 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Danke, LVD and Quix


50 posted on 06/26/2006 4:43:18 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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