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Posted on 06/28/2006 8:02:28 AM PDT by Tancred
Youths Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus
The Belgian state is no longer able to guarantee the security of its citizens. On Saturday afternoon Guido Demoor, a 54-year old Flemish train conductor on his way to work, was kicked to death by six youths on a crowded bus near Antwerps Central Station. The incident recalls the rush-hour murder ten weeks ago of Joe Van Holsbeeck, 17 years of age, in a crowded Brussels Central Station on 12 April.
Guido Demoor, a father of two, intervened when six youths got on bus 23 in Antwerp and began to intimidate passengers. There were some forty people on the bus. Demoor asked the youths to calm down, whereupon they turned on him, savagely beating and kicking the man. At the next stop thirty passengers fled the bus. The thugs kept beating Demoor. They then pulled the emergency brake and jumped from the bus leaving their victim to die.
Three Moroccans, two of whom are minors, were arrested today. The website of the Dutch paper De Stentor reports tonight that a fourth suspect, believed to be the ringleader, fled into a shop as the police were poised to arrest him. He managed to escape from the shop when dozens of youths came to his rescue. Witnesses had described the culprits as immigrant youths of between 18 and 21 years of age. During the weekend the police had called for witnesses as only four people had come forward. The police offered the witnesses absolute confidentiality and promised not to reveal their identities. Obviously people fear reprisals, Gazet van Antwerpen wrote today.
Belgians do not have a constitutional or legal right to bear arms, not even purely defensive arms such as peppersprays. With the police and the government failing to protect law-abiding citizens the latter are, however, totally unprotected. Saturdays murder has shocked bus drivers and train conductors, but they stress that they are not in the least surprised. Violence on public transport has become a fact of life.
You see what happens if you intervene, one of Guido Demoors colleagues at Belgian Rail is quoted in the newspaper De Morgen today. If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive. [...] He was a good man. I would not have dared to do what Guido did. I was beaten up once and since then I have become very careful.
Another colleague told the newspaper Het Nieuwsblad: After the Van Holsbeeck murder some whined that no-one had intervened. Guido did intervene and paid with his life. After the assassination of Joe Van Holsbeeck Belgiums Cardinal Danneels had said that Joe was a victim of the indifference in Belgian society because no-one had come to his rescue when two youths stabbed him to death for not handing over his MP3 player.
Today the Cardinal issued a statement saying: Guido Demoor acted very bravely. The fact that he paid with his life does not mean that he acted wrongly. In contemporary Belgium it is heroic for an unarmed adult to tell immigrant youths to calm down.
An Antwerp bus driver told De Morgen: These youths can be very aggressive. If you say one wrong word they throw themselves on you. I do not dare to say anything. I keep my mouth shut. Public transport passengers declared: They call you names in a language you do not understand, shouting and abusing you. What can you do? Who can you call for help? I do not know.
A train conductor told Het Nieuwsblad: This incident happened on a bus, but it could also have happened on a train. To be honest, I have been working in Brussels Midi Station [where the international trains from Paris and London arrive] for 27 years and I am happy to be still alive. I have been eye to eye with aggressive pickpockets on many occasions. These men have no qualms about hurting people. I am not sure that I would intervene if I witness an incident. I do not want to risk my life.
The unrest among railroad employees after the Demoor murder is huge. Some want to go on strike to pressure the government to give them protection. The Independent Union of Train Personnel (OVS), however, has asked its members not to strike. Laying down our work would only harm the passengers and make them the victims of incidents for which they are not to blame, OVS spokesman Hugo De Rycke said. He stressed, however, that the authorities have to do something. De Rycke explained that bus 23 on which Demoor was murdered is known to be dangerous. Because [bus 23] is so dangerous Belgian Rail at one point provided taxis to take employees to work [in Antwerps Central Station]. However, the taxi service was abolished because it proved too expensive, he said.
Problems occur not only in major Belgian cities, such as Antwerp and Brussels, but also in provincial towns, such as Sint-Niklaas. Last week bus drivers in Sint-Niklaas refused to drive out in protest against the aggressive behaviour of immigrant youths on the buses. In todays De Morgen drivers, who have all asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals, relate experiences of buses being demolished while en route and of youths harassing girls, who beg the driver to protect them. One of the drivers said: If they refuse to buy a ticket I leave it. I do not want to be beaten up for one and a half euros.
Another driver said: Last week an old man was beaten up on my bus. The youths were angry because he did not put away his luggage fast enough. They hit him on the eye and threw the luggage on his lap. [...] A bus drive lasts forty minutes. Sometimes they pester and provoke you for a full forty minutes. I remain calm, but some of my colleagues are not able to do so and get into trouble. If I ever get into trouble, I will do as one colleague did recently. He left his vehicle at the bus station and got off, never to return to this job. Guido Demoor never even got off the bus.
Not even pepper spray?
Classic example of be careful what you ask for.
Yup. Not one mention of the dreaded "M" word...
So much for gun control. Europe may have lower murder rates, but their overall crime rate is much higher than America.
Three Moroccans, two of whom are minors, were arrested today
So, 30 passengers ran away knowing full well the man was being beaten. He was the only one who stood up for them but when the tables were turned, no one stood up for him. Sad, very sad. And disgusting. They are just as guilty as the "youths". May they all carry this on their conscience forever.
Don't reporters have spellcheck anymore? They're constantly misspelling "yoots".
Looking to an inept "state" for protection is like looking to impotence for satisfaction.
(1) The State will barely condemn the acts.
(2) The State will barely investigate.
(3) The State will NOT protect you.
... see 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution for guidance.
A nation of wusses will soon be ruled by thugs. Alas poor Belgium.
"I have learned to become a p****y".
I was just about to say that... no Todd Beamers on that bus.
Wholly predictable. Those "youths" understand that they have easy prey and next to no accountability.
If there weren't so many witnesses, they probably would have gotten away with it and would be roaming the streets in search of more victims.
What they did not say is that more than likely these were Islamic fascist.
The EU has allowed the Islamic scum to take over and then they want to know what happened. These scum should be hung with pig gut.
Exactly. DO NOT intervene. As you Belgian lobsters hang out in your pot of ---slowlyyyy--- heating water.
After reading the comments on this thread, I can only guess that in America you do not have gangs of youth beating up individuals.
Africans. African immigrant youtes. Disadvantaged and impoverished. At risk. Acting out.
In 1914, the Belgians fought their hearts out for four years as World War I devastated their nation.
In 1940, the Belgians fought for a few weeks, often bravely, as World War II devastated their nation.
In 2006, the Belgians surrender without a peep, as World War III slowly devastates their nation.
It happens, but it's not very common, and decent folks step in and do something about it rather than run away. Of course it's easier to do something about it when you haven't been disarmed and made defenseless by your own government.
"So, 30 passengers ran away knowing full well the man was being beaten."
30 people ran away from six punks beating a guy. Human excrement.
However there was an incident just last weekend where a bus passenger intervened in a beating and got the holy heck beat out of him.
"An armed society is a polite society" comes to mind. It is long over due, all sane, honest, law abiding people should be armed.
40 passengers and they couldn't take on 6 youths? This old world scares me more and more each day. What the hell is wrong with people?
Could this be the same as those france "Youts?"
"So, 30 passengers ran away knowing full well the man was being beaten. He was the only one who stood up for them but when the tables were turned, no one stood up for him"
Most of these liberal countries have publicly stated that they are against there own citizens protecting themselves. If the passengers would have defended themselves then they would be the ones on trial. This is the liberal/democrat values coming to America. Defend yourself against the vile human trash and you will be prosecuted. Liberals want and expect us to be helpless - the all powerful govt. is who they worship.
LOL I find that very hard to believe, I have read of such cases and not only on police camera action but even on threads here on FR.
Oh, we do. Something like this could happen in almost any major American city, sadly.
Of course, my wife wouldn't let me, so I am a differenct variety of a candyass. I can Romper Stomp a bunch of "youths", but I cannot handle my tiny wife (To be fair, she is 100% Cuban)
Not where I live. Never heard of it. And that is not sarcasm.
Not much has changed in Belgium since 1940.
Has anyone else lived in or visited Europe lately? Meaning, is this one article a sign of things to come, with a growing body of thuggish "youths" (all likely born in Europe from immigrants & all Islamic) who have nothing but contempt for the European society they live in, and a population of native Europeans that is unable/unwilling to defend themselves or their society?
I was lucky on the New York Subway when a gang of youth tried to mug me, there were two plain clothes police there, but before they intervened the other passengers averted there eyes.
What year and location was that? This must have been pre-1988, yes?
what they need is a few more skinheads.
The youths become aggressive? Pretty easy to intimidate sheep. Thirty of them ran away from a couple of wanna-be wolves. That turns my stomach.
Those scrawny f*cks don't KNOW what aggression is. Let's see how aggressive they feel after a thorough brawl, with broken ribs, bitten-off ears, and liquid diet for a couple weeks.
If one person on that train would have had a concealed handgun permit, there would be six people dead instead of one.
But you do in your inner cities.
I know the difference between inner cities and those areas outside inner cities.
And let me let you into a secret they exist in Europe as well.
You have city crime we have city crime.
And there is not much difference between the two.
If you want to compare, compare city with city, slum with slum.
Tony lives in England. Open daylight muggings are common in London. My brother's roommate got attacked in broad daylight in or around a subway, beaten and robbed. Similar attackers.
Sorry, but I don't believe your Subway story. Nice try.
You guessed right.
No it was 1993 on a A Train
I was sickened when I read that line.....no moral fiber.
I was sickened when I read that line.....no moral fiber.
I think there may be a ripple effect from 9/11 that reaches beyond "terrorism" and hijackings. I think that people in the US are a little more willing to get involved now, a little more willing to put a stop to things like that bus beating, than they were five years ago, following the example of the passengers of United 93, and the folks who stopped Richard Reid. Maybe I'm an incurable optimist, I don't know.
A lot of it also depends on where the incident would happen. In "blue" cities like NYC, I could see the sheeple sitting back and averting their eyes. But if a bunch of yoots pulled the same thing in Texas? They'd have a much higher chance of being on the receiving end of the beatdown.
Want an example of Americans? Flight #93. If I'm not mistaken, in the movie, there was a man from Europe suggesting that the passengers go along with the terrorist demands. Europe!!!!
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