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“Youths” Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus
The Brussels Journal ^ | June 26, 2006 | Paul Belien

Posted on 06/28/2006 8:02:28 AM PDT by Tancred

“Youths” Kick Man to Death on Crowded Antwerp Bus

The Belgian state is no longer able to guarantee the security of its citizens. On Saturday afternoon Guido Demoor, a 54-year old Flemish train conductor on his way to work, was kicked to death by six “youths” on a crowded bus near Antwerp’s Central Station. The incident recalls the rush-hour murder ten weeks ago of Joe Van Holsbeeck, 17 years of age, in a crowded Brussels Central Station on 12 April.

Guido Demoor, a father of two, intervened when six “youths” got on bus 23 in Antwerp and began to intimidate passengers. There were some forty people on the bus. Demoor asked the “youths” to calm down, whereupon they turned on him, savagely beating and kicking the man. At the next stop thirty passengers fled the bus. The thugs kept beating Demoor. They then pulled the emergency brake and jumped from the bus leaving their victim to die.

Three Moroccans, two of whom are minors, were arrested today. The website of the Dutch paper De Stentor reports tonight that a fourth suspect, believed to be the ringleader, fled into a shop as the police were poised to arrest him. He managed to escape from the shop when dozens of “youths” came to his rescue. Witnesses had described the culprits as immigrant youths of between 18 and 21 years of age. During the weekend the police had called for witnesses as only four people had come forward. The police offered the witnesses absolute confidentiality and promised not to reveal their identities. “Obviously people fear reprisals,” Gazet van Antwerpen wrote today.

Belgians do not have a constitutional or legal right to bear arms, not even purely defensive arms such as peppersprays. With the police and the government failing to protect law-abiding citizens the latter are, however, totally unprotected. Saturday’s murder has shocked bus drivers and train conductors, but they stress that they are not in the least surprised. Violence on public transport has become a fact of life.

“You see what happens if you intervene,” one of Guido Demoor’s colleagues at Belgian Rail is quoted in the newspaper De Morgen today. “If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive. [...] He was a good man. I would not have dared to do what Guido did. I was beaten up once and since then I have become very careful.”

Another colleague told the newspaper Het Nieuwsblad: “After the Van Holsbeeck murder some whined that no-one had intervened. Guido did intervene and paid with his life.” After the assassination of Joe Van Holsbeeck Belgium’s Cardinal Danneels had said that Joe was a victim of “the indifference in Belgian society” because no-one had come to his rescue when two youths stabbed him to death for not handing over his MP3 player.

Today the Cardinal issued a statement saying: “Guido Demoor acted very bravely. The fact that he paid with his life does not mean that he acted wrongly.” In contemporary Belgium it is heroic for an unarmed adult to tell immigrant youths to calm down.

An Antwerp bus driver told De Morgen: “These youths can be very aggressive. If you say one wrong word they throw themselves on you. I do not dare to say anything. I keep my mouth shut.” Public transport passengers declared: “They call you names in a language you do not understand, shouting and abusing you. What can you do? Who can you call for help? I do not know.”

A train conductor told Het Nieuwsblad: “This incident happened on a bus, but it could also have happened on a train. To be honest, I have been working in Brussels’ Midi Station [where the international trains from Paris and London arrive] for 27 years and I am happy to be still alive. I have been eye to eye with aggressive pickpockets on many occasions. These men have no qualms about hurting people. I am not sure that I would intervene if I witness an incident. I do not want to risk my life.”

The unrest among railroad employees after the Demoor murder is huge. Some want to go on strike to pressure the government to give them protection. The Independent Union of Train Personnel (OVS), however, has asked its members not to strike. “Laying down our work would only harm the passengers and make them the victims of incidents for which they are not to blame,” OVS spokesman Hugo De Rycke said. He stressed, however, that the authorities have to do something. De Rycke explained that bus 23 on which Demoor was murdered is known to be dangerous. “Because [bus 23] is so dangerous Belgian Rail at one point provided taxis to take employees to work [in Antwerp’s Central Station]. However, the taxi service was abolished because it proved too expensive,” he said.

Problems occur not only in major Belgian cities, such as Antwerp and Brussels, but also in provincial towns, such as Sint-Niklaas. Last week bus drivers in Sint-Niklaas refused to drive out in protest against the aggressive behaviour of immigrant youths on the buses. In today’s De Morgen drivers, who have all asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisals, relate experiences of “buses being demolished while en route” and of “youths harassing girls, who beg the driver to protect them.” One of the drivers said: “If they refuse to buy a ticket I leave it. I do not want to be beaten up for one and a half euros.”

Another driver said: “Last week an old man was beaten up on my bus. The youths were angry because he did not put away his luggage fast enough. They hit him on the eye and threw the luggage on his lap. [...] A bus drive lasts forty minutes. Sometimes they pester and provoke you for a full forty minutes. I remain calm, but some of my colleagues are not able to do so and get into trouble. If I ever get into trouble, I will do as one colleague did recently. He left his vehicle at the bus station and got off, never to return to this job.” Guido Demoor never even got off the bus.


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1 posted on 06/28/2006 8:02:33 AM PDT by Tancred
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To: Tancred
"Belgians do not have a constitutional or legal right to bear arms, not even purely defensive arms such as peppersprays."

Not even pepper spray?

Classic example of be careful what you ask for.

2 posted on 06/28/2006 8:05:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Tancred

Yup. Not one mention of the dreaded "M" word...


3 posted on 06/28/2006 8:05:45 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Tancred
Candyasses.
4 posted on 06/28/2006 8:06:19 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Tancred

So much for gun control. Europe may have lower murder rates, but their overall crime rate is much higher than America.


5 posted on 06/28/2006 8:07:37 AM PDT by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: pabianice
Oh they did, but in code.

Three Moroccans, two of whom are minors, were arrested today

6 posted on 06/28/2006 8:07:37 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Tancred

So, 30 passengers ran away knowing full well the man was being beaten. He was the only one who stood up for them but when the tables were turned, no one stood up for him. Sad, very sad. And disgusting. They are just as guilty as the "youths". May they all carry this on their conscience forever.


7 posted on 06/28/2006 8:08:39 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Tancred

Don't reporters have spellcheck anymore? They're constantly misspelling "yoots".


8 posted on 06/28/2006 8:08:41 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: Tancred

Looking to an inept "state" for protection is like looking to impotence for satisfaction.

(1) The State will barely condemn the acts.
(2) The State will barely investigate.
(3) The State will NOT protect you.

... see 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution for guidance.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 8:08:50 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Tancred

A nation of wusses will soon be ruled by thugs. Alas poor Belgium.


10 posted on 06/28/2006 8:08:59 AM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: BenLurkin
I was beaten up once and since then I have become very careful.”

"I have learned to become a p****y".

11 posted on 06/28/2006 8:09:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

I was just about to say that... no Todd Beamers on that bus.


12 posted on 06/28/2006 8:09:59 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: Tancred

Wholly predictable. Those "youths" understand that they have easy prey and next to no accountability.

If there weren't so many witnesses, they probably would have gotten away with it and would be roaming the streets in search of more victims.


13 posted on 06/28/2006 8:10:11 AM PDT by Pox (If it's a Coward you are searching for, you need look no further than the Democrats.)
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To: Tancred

What they did not say is that more than likely these were Islamic fascist.


14 posted on 06/28/2006 8:10:17 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: wideawake
Candyasses.

F'in Candyasses!!!!

15 posted on 06/28/2006 8:10:38 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: Tancred

The EU has allowed the Islamic scum to take over and then they want to know what happened. These scum should be hung with pig gut.


16 posted on 06/28/2006 8:11:49 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Tancred
“You see what happens if you intervene,” ...

Exactly. DO NOT intervene. As you Belgian lobsters hang out in your pot of ---slowlyyyy--- heating water.

17 posted on 06/28/2006 8:12:24 AM PDT by C210N (Bush SPYED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: Tancred

After reading the comments on this thread, I can only guess that in America you do not have gangs of youth beating up individuals.


18 posted on 06/28/2006 8:12:51 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: pabianice

Africans. African immigrant youtes. Disadvantaged and impoverished. At risk. Acting out.


19 posted on 06/28/2006 8:13:13 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Tancred

In 1914, the Belgians fought their hearts out for four years as World War I devastated their nation.

In 1940, the Belgians fought for a few weeks, often bravely, as World War II devastated their nation.

In 2006, the Belgians surrender without a peep, as World War III slowly devastates their nation.

}:-)4


20 posted on 06/28/2006 8:14:38 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: tonycavanagh

It happens, but it's not very common, and decent folks step in and do something about it rather than run away. Of course it's easier to do something about it when you haven't been disarmed and made defenseless by your own government.


21 posted on 06/28/2006 8:14:54 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: tonycavanagh

Generally not.


22 posted on 06/28/2006 8:15:12 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Tancred
This guy knows how to handle himself while using public transit...........

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23 posted on 06/28/2006 8:15:21 AM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: mtbopfuyn

"So, 30 passengers ran away knowing full well the man was being beaten."

30 people ran away from six punks beating a guy. Human excrement.


24 posted on 06/28/2006 8:15:45 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: tonycavanagh

However there was an incident just last weekend where a bus passenger intervened in a beating and got the holy heck beat out of him.


25 posted on 06/28/2006 8:16:01 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Tancred

"An armed society is a polite society" comes to mind. It is long over due, all sane, honest, law abiding people should be armed.


26 posted on 06/28/2006 8:16:12 AM PDT by 2001convSVT ("People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence")
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To: All

40 passengers and they couldn't take on 6 youths? This old world scares me more and more each day. What the hell is wrong with people?


27 posted on 06/28/2006 8:16:24 AM PDT by LilyBean
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To: Tancred
"Youths?"

Could this be the same as those france "Youts?"

28 posted on 06/28/2006 8:16:48 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

"So, 30 passengers ran away knowing full well the man was being beaten. He was the only one who stood up for them but when the tables were turned, no one stood up for him"

Most of these liberal countries have publicly stated that they are against there own citizens protecting themselves. If the passengers would have defended themselves then they would be the ones on trial. This is the liberal/democrat values coming to America. Defend yourself against the vile human trash and you will be prosecuted. Liberals want and expect us to be helpless - the all powerful govt. is who they worship.


29 posted on 06/28/2006 8:17:01 AM PDT by sasafras (("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom)
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To: ichabod1
re :Generally not.

LOL I find that very hard to believe, I have read of such cases and not only on police camera action but even on threads here on FR.

30 posted on 06/28/2006 8:17:33 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh

Oh, we do. Something like this could happen in almost any major American city, sadly.

}:-)4


31 posted on 06/28/2006 8:18:04 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: Tancred; wideawake; stevieo
I would love to go there with 6 or 7 of my buddies and go to town on these youths. How cool would that be. A bar fight against skinny little Muslims on an enclosed vehicle. A one sided cage match.

Of course, my wife wouldn't let me, so I am a differenct variety of a candyass. I can Romper Stomp a bunch of "youths", but I cannot handle my tiny wife (To be fair, she is 100% Cuban)

32 posted on 06/28/2006 8:18:07 AM PDT by MattinNJ (The paleocon's paleocon.)
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To: tonycavanagh
After reading the comments on this thread, I can only guess that in America you do not have gangs of youth beating up individuals.

Not where I live. Never heard of it. And that is not sarcasm.

33 posted on 06/28/2006 8:18:07 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
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To: Tancred
“You see what happens if you intervene,” one of Guido Demoor’s colleagues at Belgian Rail is quoted in the newspaper De Morgen today. “If Guido had not opened his mouth he would still be alive.

Not much has changed in Belgium since 1940.

34 posted on 06/28/2006 8:18:34 AM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Tancred

Has anyone else lived in or visited Europe lately? Meaning, is this one article a sign of things to come, with a growing body of thuggish "youths" (all likely born in Europe from immigrants & all Islamic) who have nothing but contempt for the European society they live in, and a population of native Europeans that is unable/unwilling to defend themselves or their society?


35 posted on 06/28/2006 8:19:00 AM PDT by Tancred
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To: tonycavanagh
Tony -- in the US, for the most part, and certainly in "red" state cities, we don't have rampaging 'youths' terrorizing people on buses.

Americans, particularly now, have a profound impatience with miscreants, and a willingness and propensity to 'kick your a$$' if you act out like that.

Other countries call us 'cowboys' and think it an insult. It's a badge of honor compared to being quoted in a paper as saying "I ran away for fear of getting involved or hurt."

It's why an American airplane will NEVER be hijacked by a group of passengers again. Ever.

It's part of being American -- a Yank, if you will -- that others don't get, and we treasure.

Food for thought.
36 posted on 06/28/2006 8:19:04 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: thoughtomator
re :It happens, but it's not very common, and decent folks step in and do something about it rather than run away.

I was lucky on the New York Subway when a gang of youth tried to mug me, there were two plain clothes police there, but before they intervened the other passengers averted there eyes.

37 posted on 06/28/2006 8:19:48 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh

What year and location was that? This must have been pre-1988, yes?


38 posted on 06/28/2006 8:20:42 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: Tancred

what they need is a few more skinheads.


39 posted on 06/28/2006 8:20:49 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Tancred

The youths become aggressive? Pretty easy to intimidate sheep. Thirty of them ran away from a couple of wanna-be wolves. That turns my stomach.

Those scrawny f*cks don't KNOW what aggression is. Let's see how aggressive they feel after a thorough brawl, with broken ribs, bitten-off ears, and liquid diet for a couple weeks.


40 posted on 06/28/2006 8:21:22 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: BenLurkin

If one person on that train would have had a concealed handgun permit, there would be six people dead instead of one.


41 posted on 06/28/2006 8:22:10 AM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: Blueflag
re :in the US, for the most part, and certainly in "red" state cities, we don't have rampaging 'youths' terrorizing people on buses.

But you do in your inner cities.

I know the difference between inner cities and those areas outside inner cities.

And let me let you into a secret they exist in Europe as well.

You have city crime we have city crime.

And there is not much difference between the two.

If you want to compare, compare city with city, slum with slum.

42 posted on 06/28/2006 8:22:20 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: Blueflag

Tony lives in England. Open daylight muggings are common in London. My brother's roommate got attacked in broad daylight in or around a subway, beaten and robbed. Similar attackers.


43 posted on 06/28/2006 8:22:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: tonycavanagh

Sorry, but I don't believe your Subway story. Nice try.


44 posted on 06/28/2006 8:22:50 AM PDT by Madeleine Ward
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To: tonycavanagh
After reading the comments on this thread, I can only guess that in America you do not have gangs of youth beating up individuals.

You guessed right.

45 posted on 06/28/2006 8:23:03 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: thoughtomator

No it was 1993 on a A Train


46 posted on 06/28/2006 8:23:18 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: mtbopfuyn

I was sickened when I read that line.....no moral fiber.


47 posted on 06/28/2006 8:23:45 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: mtbopfuyn

I was sickened when I read that line.....no moral fiber.


48 posted on 06/28/2006 8:23:46 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: tonycavanagh

I think there may be a ripple effect from 9/11 that reaches beyond "terrorism" and hijackings. I think that people in the US are a little more willing to get involved now, a little more willing to put a stop to things like that bus beating, than they were five years ago, following the example of the passengers of United 93, and the folks who stopped Richard Reid. Maybe I'm an incurable optimist, I don't know.

A lot of it also depends on where the incident would happen. In "blue" cities like NYC, I could see the sheeple sitting back and averting their eyes. But if a bunch of yoots pulled the same thing in Texas? They'd have a much higher chance of being on the receiving end of the beatdown.

}:-)4


49 posted on 06/28/2006 8:24:19 AM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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To: tonycavanagh
After reading the comments on this thread, I can only guess that in America you do not have gangs of youth beating up individuals.

Want an example of Americans? Flight #93. If I'm not mistaken, in the movie, there was a man from Europe suggesting that the passengers go along with the terrorist demands. Europe!!!!

50 posted on 06/28/2006 8:24:33 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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