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10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part I)
Evangelical Outpost ^ | 08/03/2006 | Joe Carter

Posted on 08/03/2006 12:22:06 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

10 Ways Darwinists Help Intelligent Design (Part I)

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Eighty years after the Scopes “Monkey” Trial, the public still refuses to accept the idea that Darwin’s theory of natural selection is a sufficient explanation for complex biological phenomena. In fact, opinion polls show that fewer people are willing to accept the idea that human beings developed from earlier species than they were just ten years ago.

In Britain—a country that is not exactly known for fundamentalist Christianity—fewer than half accept the theory of evolution as the best description for the development of life. (And more than 40% of those polled believe that creationism or intelligent design (ID) should be taught in school science lessons.) Even doctors, who are more informed about biology than the general public, overwhelmingly (60%) reject the claim that humans evolved through natural processes alone.

Why do so many people have such difficulty accepting the theory? Is it due to a resurgence of religious-based creationism? Or is it that the Discovery Institute and other advocates of Intelligent Design are more persuasive? I believe the credit belongs not to the advocates of ID but to the theory’s critics.

Had the critics remained silent, ID might possibly have moldered in obscurity. But instead they launched a counter-offensive, forcing people into choosing sides. The problem is that the more the public learns about modern evolutionary theory, the more skeptical they become.

I won’t argue that critics of ID are always wrong or that ID is always—or even mostly—right in its claims. But I do think a compelling case can be made that the anti-IDers are losing the rhetorical battle. Here is the first five in a list of ten reasons ways in which they are helping to promote the theory of intelligent design:

#1 By remaining completely ignorant about ID while knocking down strawman versions of the theory. – Whether due to intellectual snobbery or intellectual laziness, too many critics of ID never bother to understand what the term means, much less learn the general tenets of the theory. Instead, they knock down a strawman version of ID that they have gleaned from other, equally ill-informed, critics. The belligerent or paranoid advocates of ID will assume that the misrepresentation is due to dishonesty or a conspiracy by “Darwinists.” But even those who are more charitable will agree that when a critic misrepresents the theory, it undermines their own credibility.

#2 By claiming that ID is stealth creationism. -- Resorting to this red herring is one of the most common arguments made against ID. While it’s true that ID could be used to promote a particular religious agenda, this is not a sufficient argument against it being a legitimate scientific research program. There is no a priori reason why a research program could not be completely in adherence to accepted scientific methods and yet be completely compatible with a particular religious viewpoint.

But it also refuses to acknowledge the vast majority of people throughout history have believed in at least a basic form of creationism. Most people believe that some form of intelligent being (i.e., God) created the universe and everything in it. For most of these people, “creationism” is not a derogatory term. The phrase “stealth creationism” might appeal to the pseudo-intellectuals (those who know almost nothing about science but do know that they despise “fundamentalist Christians”) yet for most ordinary people it sounds like bigoted nonsense.

#3 By resorting to “science of the gaps” arguments. – Critics of ID often claim that the theory relies on a “God of the Gaps” “argument. (Don’t understand how something occurred? Well…God did it. Case closed.) As scientific reasoning, this method is obviously flawed. Yet the critics of ID often resort to the same tactic, only instead of saying “God did it” they claim “Science will find it.”

The problem is that this almost never happens. Closing a "science gap" almost always leads to the discovery of other, even more difficult to explain gaps in knowledge. For example, when evolution was first proposed by Darwin, there was no explanation for the mechanism of transmission of traits from one generation to the next. With the discovery of DNA, Watson and Crick closed that particular “gap.”

But as physicist David Snoke notes, no one today has an adequate explanation for how this highly complicated molecule arose out of nowhere. Also, we do not have an adequate explanation within chemical evolutionary theory for the appearance of the mechanism that gives us a readout of the information, or for the appearance of methods that replicate information with out error, or for the appearance of the delicate balance of repair and maintenance of the molecular systems that use the information stored in DNA.

Scientific discoveries tend to find that nature is even more complex than we imagined which makes it even more unlikely that a process like natural selection is a sufficient explanation.

#4 By claiming that ID isn’t science since it's not published peer-reviewed literature...and then refusing to allow publications of ID papers in peer-reviewed journals. – The hypocrisy of snubbing ID because it lacks peer-review was exposed by the treatment of Richard Sternberg, a journal editor who made the career-killing mistake of actually publishing an article that was sympathetic to ID.

The resulting controversy exposed just how close-minded some scientists were to criticisms of neo-Darwinism. As Sternberg—who is not an advocate of ID--said after the incident, “It's fascinating how the 'creationist' label is falsely applied to anyone who raises any questions about neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory. The reaction to the paper by some [anti-creationist] extremists suggests that the thought police are alive and well in the scientific community."

#5 By making claims that natural selection is responsible for all behaviors and biological features. -- Instead of saying that “God created X”, Darwinists tend to claim that “Sex selection created X.” Take, for instance, this statement made by zoologist Richard Dawkins:

"Why did humans lose their body hair? Why did they start walking on their hind legs? Why did they develop big brains? I think that the answer to all three questions is sexual selection," Dawkins said. Hairlessness advertises your health to potential mates, he explained. The less hair you have on your body, the less real estate you make available to lice and other ectoparasites. Of course, it was worth keeping the hair on our heads to protect against sunstroke, which can be very dangerous in Africa, where we evolved. As for the hair in our armpits and pubic regions, that was probably retained because it helps disseminate "pheromones," airborne scent signals that still play a bigger role in our sex lives than most of us realize.

Why did we lose our body hair? Sex selection. Why do we retain some body hair? Yep, sex selection. Why do humans walk on two legs? Again, the same answer, sex selection. Why do dogs walk on all four? You guessed it, sex selection.

The same goes for human behavior. Hardly a week goes by that some newspaper or magazine article does not include a story claiming how “evolution” is the reason humans do X, avoid Y, or prefer Z.

Even scientists grow weary of hearing such faith claims presented as if was “science.” As Philip S. Skell, emeritus professor at Pennsylvania State University, and a member of the National Academy of Sciences, notes in a recent edition of The Scientist:

…Darwinian explanations for [human behavior] are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self- centered and aggressive - except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed - except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.

Even those who flunked high school biology can see that when a theory can be used to prove any behavior that it ceases to be science and enters the realm of faith. Yet when evolutionists make such claims they are often flummoxed by the public’s skeptical reaction. They can’t understand how we could be so stupid as to not accept their claims. And we wonder how they could be so stupid as to think we are really that gullible.

To be continued in Part II


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: 10ways; anothercrevothread; creatards; crevolist; darwinists; enoughalready; id; idiocy; idiots; intelligentdesign; newsactivism; pavlovian
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1 posted on 08/03/2006 12:22:08 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

This will be good. :-)


2 posted on 08/03/2006 12:23:14 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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3 posted on 08/03/2006 12:24:23 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: SirLinksalot

Science is not a popularity contest. The scientific method does not include the use of polls.


4 posted on 08/03/2006 12:26:07 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan

Excellent point!

ID, Creationism, who has time for this nonsense? Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain.


5 posted on 08/03/2006 12:28:12 PM PDT by purpleporter
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To: MineralMan
Science is not a popularity contest. The scientific method does not include the use of polls.

If it were, more people would believe in man-made global warming...wait a minute?

6 posted on 08/03/2006 12:28:23 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: SirLinksalot
#1 By remaining completely ignorant about ID while knocking down strawman versions of the theory. – Whether due to intellectual snobbery or intellectual laziness, too many critics of ID never bother to understand what the term means, much less learn the general tenets of the theory. Instead, they knock down a strawman version of ID that they have gleaned from other, equally ill-informed, critics. The belligerent or paranoid advocates of ID will assume that the misrepresentation is due to dishonesty or a conspiracy by “Darwinists.” But even those who are more charitable will agree that when a critic misrepresents the theory, it undermines their own credibility.

Even though I don't believe Darwinian processes explain biodiversity I know who pioneered that approach - and it wasn't the Darwinists.

Shalom.

7 posted on 08/03/2006 12:28:42 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: SirLinksalot

You'd think with all this help, ID would be able to accomplish some actual science, or at least describe the kind of research they would do if they got the chance.

You'd think someone in the ID movement would put forth a testable hypothesis about when and where ID intervention has taken place and what specifically was done. Which species, for example were engineered and which are just variations on a "kind."

You'd think they would propose some physical mechanism that limits the variations on kinds. A mechanism that could be tested.


8 posted on 08/03/2006 12:29:01 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: ArGee

Honestly I don't know if I've ever met a "Darwinist". This seems an ill-defined, and manufactured term without any real operational definition.


9 posted on 08/03/2006 12:30:12 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: SirLinksalot

Popcorn? Check.

Binoculars? Check.

Full-body flame-proof asbestos suit? Check.

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10 posted on 08/03/2006 12:30:36 PM PDT by kevkrom (Posting snarky comments so you don't have to)
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To: kevkrom
*** engaging lurk mode ***

Coward. :-)

11 posted on 08/03/2006 12:31:31 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: SirLinksalot; DaveLoneRanger; grey_whiskers


12 posted on 08/03/2006 12:31:51 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: SirLinksalot

Good stuff. Let us know when Part 2 shows up...


13 posted on 08/03/2006 12:32:20 PM PDT by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: kevkrom
Half a brain.....
14 posted on 08/03/2006 12:32:21 PM PDT by Fighting Irish (Béagán agus a rá go maith)
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To: MineralMan

But he's right, you know. His own Google research shows that Danes, Australians, and Canadians are increasingly interested in Intelligent Design.


15 posted on 08/03/2006 12:32:31 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: SirLinksalot; metmom

#11 -- Their arrogance. Every other scientific theory invites critical analysis, but Darwinism enforces a united front against criticism or questions about its validity. We're told "Evolution is a fact!...it happened...End of discussion...and if you think otherwise you're a ignorant religious cracker." Darwinism resists adaptation (ironic, no?). And it does this because it really isn't a scientific theory in the sense that Clerk Maxwell's work on the electromagnetic field is a theory, because it's conclusions can't be tested through observation or experimentation. It isn't a theory, but a philosophy, held-onto with religious fervency.


16 posted on 08/03/2006 12:32:36 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: js1138

The issue of Testability has been brought up by many people. Even conservative columnist George Will brought it up in his critique of Intelligent Design.

Here is William Dembski's response :




Your deeper concern is that intelligent design is not science because it is not testable. If ID were not testable, you would have a point. But the fact is that ID is eminently testable, a fact that is easy to see.

To test ID, it is enough to show how systems that ID claims lie beyond the reach of Darwinian and other evolutionary mechanisms are in fact attainable via such mechanisms. For instance, ID proponents have offered arguments for why non-teleological evolutionary mechanisms should be unable to produce systems like the bacterial flagellum (see chapter 5 of my book No Free Lunch [Rowman & Littlefield, 2002] and Michael Behe’s essay in my co-edited collection titled Debating Design [Cambridge, 2004]). Moreover, critics of ID have tacitly assumed this burden of proof — see Ken Miller’s book Finding Darwin’s God (Harper, 1999) or Ian Musgrave’s failed attempt to provide a plausible evolutionary story for the bacterial flagellum in Why Intelligent Design Fails (Rutgers, 2004).

Intelligent design and evolutionary theory are either both testable or both untestable. Parity of reasoning requires that the testability of one entails the testability of the other. Evolutionary theory claims that certain material mechanisms are able to propel the evolutionary process, gradually transforming organisms with one set of characteristics into another (for instance, transforming bacteria without a flagellum into bacteria with one). Intelligent design, by contrast, claims that intelligence needs to supplement material mechanisms if they are to bring about organisms with certain complex features. Accordingly, testing the adequacy or inadequacy of evolutionary mechanisms constitutes a joint test of both evolutionary theory and intelligent design.

Unhappy with thus allowing ID on the playing field of science, evolutionary theorist now typically try the following gambit: Intelligent design, they say, constitutes an argument from ignorance or god-of-the-gaps, in which gaps in the evolutionary story are plugged by invoking intelligence. But if intelligent design by definition constitutes such a god-of-the-gaps, then evolutionary theory in turn becomes untestable, for in that case no failures in evolutionary explanation or positive evidence for ID could ever overturn evolutionary theory.

I cited earlier Darwin’s well-known statement, “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Immediately after this statement Darwin added, “But I can find out no such case.” Darwin so much as admits here that his theory is immune to disconfirmation. Indeed, how could any contravening evidence ever be found if the burden of proof on the evolution critic is to rule out all conceivable evolutionary pathways — pathways that are left completely unspecified.

In consequence, Darwin’s own criterion for defeating his theory is impossible to meet and effectively shields his theory from disconfirmation. Unless ID is admitted onto the scientific playing field, mechanistic theories of evolution win the day in the absence of evidence, making them a priori, untestable principles rather than inferences from scientific evidence.

Bottom line: For a claim to ascertainably true it must be possible for it to be ascertainably false. The fate of ID and evolutionary theory, whether as science or non-science, are thus inextricably bound. No surprise therefore that Darwin’s Origin of Species requires ID as a foil throughout.


17 posted on 08/03/2006 12:33:01 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: purpleporter
Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain.

When today's proof crosses your desk, get back to me.

18 posted on 08/03/2006 12:33:44 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Fighting Irish

That's the part Rush has tied behind his back.


19 posted on 08/03/2006 12:34:06 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: purpleporter
ID, Creationism, who has time for this nonsense? Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain.

I guess you aren't familiar with the theory that those with fully developed brains hold?

So sorry - just couldn't resist such a PERFECT straight line. And the fact that you used ad-homenim attack to shut down debate on a discussion forum just made it more compelling.

Shalom.

20 posted on 08/03/2006 12:34:51 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: rhombus

"If it were, more people would believe in man-made global warming...wait a minute?
"

The topic of the day is the Theory of Evolution. Climatology is a different science. Is climate change influenced by human actions? I don't know. That's under study. Some folks believe it is. For me, it doesn't matter. It appears that the climate is changing again, as it has done in the past. I'm more concerned with figuring out how much it will change so I can plan ahead.

In any case, science does not include poll results. Rather, it is done by people with a lot of training in the specific discipline that is being studied. We call those folks scientists, in general, and have names for all the specific disciplines in science, such as geology, physics (several sub-disciplines in there), chemistry, etc.

I'm not a scientist. When I have questions about one of the sciences, I consult the journals for that science, insofar as I am able to understand them. If I cannot, I consult journals like "Science," which try to explain research for people not in a particular discipline.

I do not consult religious publications for information regarding the sciences, nor do I consult science publications for information regarding the various religions of this planet.

Specialists are the best source for information on a specialty. All others are less well informed.


21 posted on 08/03/2006 12:35:09 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: SirLinksalot
FR could have poll to see how many freepers are IDers or Macroevolutionists (yes, macroevolutionists). Either there are a lot more macroevolutionists, or they are to ones more willing to post.
22 posted on 08/03/2006 12:35:50 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: js1138

"But he's right, you know. His own Google research shows that Danes, Australians, and Canadians are increasingly interested in Intelligent Design."




OK. That does not mean, however, that they have any information of use to me. They're probably also interested in bank rates.

The opinions of non-scientists are pretty useless when you have questions regarding the sciences.


23 posted on 08/03/2006 12:36:47 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: js1138
You'd think someone in the ID movement would put forth a testable hypothesis about when and where ID intervention has taken place

Maybe, just maybe, ID suffers from the same quandry that faces Darwinism. Are you aware of a testable hypothesis put forth by Darwinism that can lend proof to the concept of speciation from a single-cell through a slow process of mutation and natural selection? If Darwinists could have proven their theory, this debate would have been long over. 150 years of speculation, and the debate still rages.

24 posted on 08/03/2006 12:37:52 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: SirLinksalot

George will and Dembski are certainly great biologists. You should know Dembski pretty well. Just look in the mirror.


25 posted on 08/03/2006 12:38:16 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: SirLinksalot; wagglebee; Salem


26 posted on 08/03/2006 12:38:30 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: js1138

"A mechanism that could be tested."

Somegoddidit. Prove 'em wrong. Pretty funny, huh? I'm not really sure what experiment you'd use to test that, given the supernatural nature of deities.


27 posted on 08/03/2006 12:38:34 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: rhombus
Honestly I don't know if I've ever met a "Darwinist".

I use the term as one of derision.

28 posted on 08/03/2006 12:39:12 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: SirLinksalot
"#1 By remaining completely ignorant about ID while knocking down strawman versions of the theory."

How can you knock down a strawman of a theory that's never been consistently specified beyond "Not God *wink* *wink* did it"?
29 posted on 08/03/2006 12:39:16 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: rhombus

"Honestly I don't know if I've ever met a "Darwinist". "

That's because there are no "Darwinists." Nobody identifies himself as a "Darwinist," particularly in the scientific disciplines.

Darwin was the founder of the science of evolutionary theory, certainly, but his writings are primarily of historical interest these days.

About the only people who use the word "Darwinist" are those who are attempting to discredit the Theory of Evolution. They use it in the same way people use other incorrect terminology when they try to discredit something. It's so transparent.


30 posted on 08/03/2006 12:41:06 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: SirLinksalot

When I'm finished horseback riding placemarker.


31 posted on 08/03/2006 12:41:09 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: purpleporter

How about those of us with a full brain?


32 posted on 08/03/2006 12:41:34 PM PDT by keithtoo (The GOP is fortunate that the Dim's are even more spineless and disorganized.)
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To: ArGee

LOL. Good catch. I guess evolution is a proven fact for those with half a brain.


33 posted on 08/03/2006 12:41:51 PM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: rhombus
Honestly I don't know if I've ever met a "Darwinist". This seems an ill-defined, and manufactured term without any real operational definition.

Yeah, Biology is like that - except for biochemistry, of course. Once you get up to the organism level it just ain't the same kind of science that chemistry or physics are.

Shalom.

34 posted on 08/03/2006 12:42:00 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: purpleporter
Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain.

And those with a whole brain know better, that's why they don't buy it hook, line , and sinker.

35 posted on 08/03/2006 12:42:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: js1138

You are not addressing my point ( calling me Dembski as a potshot isn't helping the discussion either ).

The point Dembski is making is that proponents of materialistic evolution invariably invoked as evidence for their theory experiments in which structures of biological interest evolved reproducibly. But for the results of an experiment to be reproducible, they must occur WITH HIGH PROBABLITY.

Thus, if high probability confirms evolutionary theory, shouldn’t, by parity of reasoning, low probability disconfirm evolutionary theory?

If not, the theory is insulated from empirical falsification.

Demski for instance, offers as an example the original success of the Miller-Urey experiment in origin-of-life research and the subsequent failure of that origin-of-life research to explain information-rich biomacromolecules.

These are the kinds of "testability" experiments that can be done to confirm/disconfirm Evolution ( and by implication, intelligence ).


36 posted on 08/03/2006 12:42:15 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
Darwin was wrong. It was the Alantians that brought man to this planet.
37 posted on 08/03/2006 12:43:20 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: MHGinTN

Ping for interest. I always like your comments.


38 posted on 08/03/2006 12:43:30 PM PDT by Conservative Texan Mom (Some people say I'm stubborn, when it's usually just that I'm right.)
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To: SirLinksalot

If you are not Dembski, why do you publish his work under your name?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1650646/posts


39 posted on 08/03/2006 12:45:00 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: wolfcreek

Make that Atlantians.


40 posted on 08/03/2006 12:45:44 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: My2Cents

"Every other scientific theory invites critical analysis,"

Really. Could you name some of those theories that "invite critical analysis" by lay persons not involved in the science.

The Theory of Evolution is challenged all the time by scientists working in that field. Much has been learned since Darwin wrote.

Lay people have no ability to challenge the sciences, since they don't even understand them. You could, for example, challenge the current Theory of Gravitation. However, your challenge would be ridiculous, unless you are a scientist in that field. Incidentally, there are constant challenges to whatever is the current Theory of Gravitation. All come from scientists, just as the challenges to Evolutionary Theory come from scientists.

For a religious leader to challenge the Theory of Evolution without being a scientist himself is laughable. We see this all the time here on Free Republic. The challenges are many, but the knowledge is miniscule.

When someone appears and actually challenges those here with actual facts that can be demonstrated, I'll be absolutely floored. Instead, we get Genesis...hardly a scientific journal.


41 posted on 08/03/2006 12:46:21 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan
The opinions of non-scientists are pretty useless when you have questions regarding the sciences.

I don't mean to be rude, but that's one of the sorriest comments I have ever read on Free Republic.

The opinions of non-politicians are pretty useless when you have questions regarding politics.

The opinions of non-artists are pretty useless when you have questions regarding art.

The opinions of men are pretty useless when you have questions regarding women. (Yes, I only recognize 2 sexes.)

The opinions of non-believers are pretty useless when you have questions regarding theology.

By shutting out all but the true believers from the debate you GUARANTEE that you will, eventually, stray into a fundamentalist religion. It's preciesly because science can operate in the full light of day, defending itself against all comers, that it has brought us so far.

If you can't explain your science to the layman, I would propose you are no longer dealing in science.

Shalom.

42 posted on 08/03/2006 12:48:29 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: MineralMan
About the only people who use the word "Darwinist" are those who are attempting to discredit the Theory of Evolution.

Who are those people who put fish with feet on their cars that have DARWIN written inside?

Shalom.

43 posted on 08/03/2006 12:50:20 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: ArGee

"The opinions of men are pretty useless when you have questions regarding women."

I'm sorry, was there some insanely huge discovery lately that cleared up that timeless mystery while I was upstairs playing video games?


44 posted on 08/03/2006 12:51:44 PM PDT by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: SirLinksalot
One does not use polls in science.

Scientific theories are based on observations in nature and/or observations of experiments in the lab. Then conclusions are drawn up from the observations. Then others do peer reviews of the work and of course further observations are done by other scientists to either uphold or demolish the scientific theory.

That's how science operates.

45 posted on 08/03/2006 12:52:49 PM PDT by hawkaw
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To: ArGee

Just guessing but I think the correct definition of theory as it is used in science has been posted to this site 1000's of times by dozens of different posters. And people still use that work incorrectly.

It isn't a question of being able to explain it, some just will not listen.


46 posted on 08/03/2006 12:53:33 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (It's not just a boulder; It's a rock! A ro-o-ock. The pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!)
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To: SirLinksalot
Excellent post by Dembski. Read it three times, in fact.

I sincerely doubt that more than a handful of people really understood what Dembski was saying.

Sauron

47 posted on 08/03/2006 12:53:39 PM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: ArGee

"If you can't explain your science to the layman, I would propose you are no longer dealing in science.

"

I give you String Theory. So far, I have not found a comprehensible lay explanation of it. Same with subatomic physics.

Still, if you wish information on those two subjects, who would you ask? A lay person?


48 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:07 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: purpleporter

>>Evolution is proven EVERY SINGLE DAY, for those with half a brain.<<

Subtle! And a GOOD ONE! Most here won't even get it, I suspect.


49 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:19 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: My2Cents

Viruses!

EVERYDAY for those with...


50 posted on 08/03/2006 12:54:28 PM PDT by purpleporter
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